OK...so Warren is part of the Inauguration. Does that mean Obama is somehow THE ENEMY?

[zulchzulu]

Warren is an ass. Warren is a sellout. Warren is a phony. Warren is a homophobe.

Yeah, I FUCKING get it.

Warren will have some FUCKING prayer that I could give two FUCKING shits about in the ceremony. Does what he say or do matter a tinker's damn what I think? HELL NO.

Do I care that I will be herded like a farm animal when I am at the Inauguration with millions of others? I fully expect it. Will I push and shove? No, I am a gentleman. Hell, I'll help little old ladies cross the street.

Will I turn my back when Warren gets on the microphone and starts spewing faux-Christian gibberish at the crowd all while hoping he gets some more fucking followers and some more cash for a few new goddamn yachts or whatever? YES!

Will I try to bring in a sign that says that Warren is an asshole. Maybe...

Should I also protest Dianne Feinstein? She'll be speaking and she's a war hawk.

The Honorable John G. Roberts, Jr. will give Obama the oath. He's just as much of an asshole as Warren is. Should I turn my back on him too?

Oddly, no one has picked up that Reverend Dr. Joseph E. Lowery will do the closing benediction. Oh wait! He's for inclusion of the gay community and is on the side of giving gays equal rights.

Read this:
http://www.umaffirm.org/gcnews10.html

So now what? Trash all that Obama can and will do before he EVEN BECOMES PRESIDENT?

I've done plenty of grassroots work for AIDS and gay/queer issues over the years and it still confounds me that it's not good enough for some. I don't want anything from anyone on this issue, but I just get tired of the overreaction of some on this Warren issue.

I'll turn my back on the asshole when he speaks. I suggest everyone else do the same. But does it have to make this guy get even more attention (Warren) than he deserves?

[polichick]

1. It means Obama is being boneheaded about something. It's our job to...

...let him know. change.gov

[Thrill]

2. Haven't you learned. That they never praise the picks. They just find the things to complain about

[Bluebear]

3. Wow. Who is this "they"?? The gays?

[Thrill]

6. Um no. The handwringers

[polichick]

5. That's crazy - there were lots of threads about the dream green team...

...stop complaining about complaining. :)

[EFerrari]

13. So, we should just stfu when bigots are chosen to officiate at state functions?

That'll work.

[zulchzulu]

19. No

I'll be there. I'll turn my back when he speaks.

Perhaps Rev. Lowery (pro-gay minister) will end the proceedings with his benediction.

As for the rest of the peeps in the show, why no outrage at Justice Roberts? Or Di-Fi?

[yardwork]

4. I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Doesn't everyone know that Warren is moderate?

Look at this:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I知 not opposed to that as much as I知 opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I知 opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I知 opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I知 opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7415

[WritingIsMyReligion]

7. Some people will not be happy. Ever.

Even if Obama appoints 10,000 Dennis Kucinich clones to fill every position, it isn't enough. In their eyes, he never will be good enough, no matter what. No one will ever be good enough.

These people are straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual, black, Latino/a, Italian, Greek, Brazilian, any number of things. They are the perpetual complainers of the populace.

:shrug:

[AllentownJake]

24. Yes, because tonight there are a whole lot of people

like me who ordinarily defend him who are fucking pissed.

[Neshanic]

8. No it means our new President has gay problems that he makes himself.

What was the point of this? Is he that gay stupid?

[zulchzulu]

17. Don't let the facts on Obama's record get in the way of good old fashioned hamheaded BS

This was all brought out back in the primary season. No, he ain't perfect. But he beats the living shit out of what we've had to deal with for... forever...

Read this:

Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois:
Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Barack Obama in the United States Senate:
Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated

Barack Obama on Hate Crimes:
Barack Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Employment Non-Discrimination:
Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military:
Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."

Gay & Lesbian Adoption:
Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. Rick Warren is despicable, but no it's just not him.

I despise Tom Vilsack even more. That fucking son of a bitch represents EVERYTHING wrong with the Democratic Party.

Shilling for Monsanto, one of the top 5 worst corporations on the planet. If they could grow tobacco in Iowa he'd probably shill for Phillip Morris as well. Right wing sucking up posing as "centrism". The DLC and their pathological hatred of Howard Dean and all other REAL Democrats.

He's not fit to serve in any cabinet.

And you should protest war profiteer Diane Feinstein just on general principle.

[mwb970]

35. You despise Vilsack and Feinstein. Others here despise Warren.

I've read posts on DU ripping Powell, Biden, Emanuel, and of course Obama himself. And we all hate bush and cheney! Tell me, is there a public figure that is not despised by at least a few people on both sides for various reasons, sane or less so?

I don't see the value of this. Shall we all list the public figures we despise, just to get it out of our systems?

The number of DU threads on Warren today is wildly out of proportion to his significance. Jeez! It's like the Freepers and their birth certificate crap.

[Gundam Macross]

10. Yeah but he didn't pick Lowery, from what I hear some committee picks all these.

:+

[Cha]

11. Well, that's something I did not know..

Lowery's giving the closing benediction. That's good at least.

[Thickasabrick]

12. It means he has "bent over" and taken one for the right wing freaks nt

[EFerrari]

14. Hyperbole. It's very appropriate for people to tell Obama what they think of Warren.

And Lowery doesn't cancel out Warren. This isn't a broadcast of Fixed News. The venue is a national celebration.

We wouldn't balance someone from the NAACP against the Grand Dragon, right?

[LaurenG]

15. Obama doesn't get it on this and he has disappointed me terribly

this sucks.

[Danger Mouse]

16. Well, there's some overreaction, but Warren really is a shit, to be fair.

[zulchzulu]

18. I think I was Captain Obvious when saying that Warren is an asshole

Should we completely get blue in the face and scream like banshies on crack because Warren will be there for a stint and RUIN THE ENTIRE INAUGURATION because of it like little weenie fuckheads?

Warren is a douchebag. It's like going to a concert with a LOT of great music and having to hear friggin' John Tesh play a couple tunes in the beginning.

Big. Fucking. Deal.

Giving Warren more credit than he deserves is exactly what people who like Warren want. I'll be at the Inauguration in the masses. I will turn my back when he speaks. Many more people will as well.

[dsc]

20. I am sure, absolutely sure, that if Hillary won and decided to have a racist pastor speak

you would be every bit as critical of 'over reactions'.

[zulchzulu]

21. That and the price of tea in China...

Maybe you missed how I think Warren is an ass. Maybe you also missed how Reverend Lowery (pro-gay rights) will ALSO speak.

Is Obama a homophobe? NO!

Am I? FUCK NO!

Is it STUPID to protest Warren too much as to give more attention to his schtick? YES!

Warren (an ass), Feinstein (a war hawk) and Roberts (a right-wing supreme court justice) will be part of the Inauguration. Will I cancel my plans to go to the Inauguration, as I have planned? NO!

I'll turn my back when Warren speaks. Hate me for it.

[mwei924]

22. Well, Mark Penn would've been there. lol. nt

[firedupdem]

26. where did hillary and race come from? n/t

[Maven]

27. Oh, to be sure.

:rofl:

[scheming daemons]

28. STILL fighting the primary? STILL? REALLY?

:eyes:

[dsc]

33. I used her because she came in second

had someone else come in second I would have used them instead. My point is that this poster is very quick to talk about how awful any racial slight is but equally quick to excuse any and all anti gay slights as no big deal.

[AllentownJake]

23. Black and White thinking is a sign of borderline personality disorder

I can like Obama and still be fucking pissed off at him over a decision.

[zulchzulu]

25. Obama's record on LGBT/Gay/Queer issues PROVES he is NOT a homophobe

Is he "perfect" on all the issues? Probably not to some... but...

Barack Obama and Gay Rights in Illinois:
Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Barack Obama in the United States Senate:
Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated Obama:

Barack Obama on Hate Crimes:
Barack Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes laws to include crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Employment Non-Discrimination:
Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military:
Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."

Gay & Lesbian Adoption:
Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

[gristy]

29. Of course not. But the symbolism of the inauguration is very important - and Obama recognizes this

What he thinks Warren is supposed to symbolize is where I get lost.

[zulchzulu]

32. And Reverend Lowery (pro gay rights) doing the benediction is not something to consider?

Warren is an ass. Lowery is otherwise a different story.

[boppers]

30. Giving gays rights?

Giving?

Really?

You want to open that can of worms?

[BigBearJohn]

31. He's not the enemy, but I do have to admit, the bloom is off the rose (for me).

[chascarrillo]

34. Same here. It's just so damn disappointing.

[DCBob]

36. You were sniffing the wrong rose.

Obama is doing exactly what he said he was going to do during the campaign. Don't you remember his statements about reaching out to those who disagree with him and being the President to all 50 states, blue and red. He is attempting to reduce the bitter hyper-partisanship and deep social and cultural divide in this country. It won't be easy but he is going to give a try. I totally support him.