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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:51 PM
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Specter calls for delay in Holder hearings
Specter calls for delay in Holder hearings

Sen. Arlen Specter, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, has just thrown a wrench into the Eric Holder hearings planned for early January, saying Holder's involvement in the Marc Rich pardon is a "red flag" and a "very serious matter."

Judiciary Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) has been pushing for an early January hearing so that Holder could quickly be confirmed at Barack Obama's attorney general and be in his office by the Jan. 20 inauguration.

But Specter is already applying the brakes, indicating that Republicans are going to make a big deal out of Holder at the hearing. Specter said he sees no way in which the Holder hearings could happen before Jan. 26. Specter said he still needs to see thousands of pages of background documents and Holder's FBI background check.

"There are questions that need to be addressed," Specter said in a Senate floor speech.

Specter, a former prosecutor himself, said he was troubled that Holder did not stand up to President Clinton on the pardon of Rich, who was a fugitive living abroad at the time of the pardon.

"To run counter to the views of the professionals is a red flag," Specter said. "We're looking at a very, very serious matter."

Specter did not say he was leaning one way or another on the Holder nomination, but clearly the Judiciary Committee Republicans are going to have a field day with the Rich pardon.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1208/Specter_calls_for_delay_in_Holder_hearings.html

First the RNC continue to attack Obama on this Blago crap. And now they want to play politics with this.
Obama should see there is no working together with these assholes. He has enough of a majority in the House and the Senate to say F these Bastids
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:53 PM
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1. So when did he criticize Scooter Libby for representing Rich?
Partisan politics, ya gotta love the contortions in logic it creates.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:54 PM
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2. Was Specter concerned about Marc Rich when he was a named figure in IranContra and BCCI matters?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 05:54 PM by blm
Nope.

If Specter wants to go there, then I suggest a few HONEST Democrats go at the whole Marc Rich issue in its ENTIRETY and put Scooter Libby and Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton ALL under oath.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:54 PM
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3. The dems can ram it down their throats right?
If they can, they should.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:55 PM
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4. Who cares about a fucking pardon.
Why not ask him about his Chiquita representation. That's the only "red flag" I see. But of course republicans don't care about that.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:55 PM
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5. This is so transparent.
They are really gonna try to go after Obama while he is in office.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:55 PM
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6. Cripes. Love that bipartisanship Specter's showing. What a creep. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:55 PM
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7. I thought that Presidents could pardon whomever they chose?
Is there something that can stop them? And since not, what in the fuck is Specter talking about. Doesn't he know what the law is on this already? Geeze! Piece of shit!

Who are we running against this asshole? :mad:
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:30 AM
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28. Bingo! That's the whole point to a pardon. They should be beyond
discussion in something like this. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:58 PM
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8. Specter is a POS
He invented the magic bullet theory for the Warren Commission and then represented killer Ira Einhorn who conveniently escaped to Europe for 10 years or so to avoid prosecution.

Specter doesn't belong in traffic court much less the Senate.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:02 PM
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9. Well, let's see what Specter has to say about pardons after Boosh...
totally abuses the pardon power.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:03 PM
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10. We'll see about that. Spector is not going to win a pissing contest with Obamna.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:03 PM
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11. There is a much more serious charge against Holder than being involved in a
presidential pardon, and that is his legal representation of Chiquita International executives, who paid $1.7 million dollars to rightwing death squads in Colombia, over 7-year period, to take care of their "labor problem" by murdering some 4,000 union leaders.

4,000. Not a typo. Murder. Not a typo.

Holder colluded with the Bushwhacks and got them off with a handslap--a relatively small fine, which they could pay in installments, to the U.S. government (the Bushwhacks). The extremely poor families of the murdered union leaders, who had sued the Chiquita execs, got nothing. Zero. Zilch. Case dismissed.

This alone disqualifies Eric Holder from becoming the chief law enforcement officer of the U.S. This corpo/fascist scofflaw attitude about the deaths of thousands of "peons"--whom global corporate predators like Chiquita apparently consider barely worthy of the name "human"--is not needed in our government ANY LONGER. This appointment further bodes very ill, indeed, for Obama's promise of "change" in U.S./Latin American relations. Combined with the appointment of Hillary Clinton, who had Mark Penn as her chief campaign adviser--a paid agent of the Colombian government--I am in near despair about any hope for even a sense of reality in U.S/Latin American relations, let alone good progressive policy.

And to help in understanding this situation with Lugar, I should tell you--if you don't already know--that when Evo Morales, the very popular first indigenous president of Bolivia, whose country recently suffered riots, mayhem and murder, from white separatists trying to split up Bolivia (and take control of Bolivia's gas resource), funded and organized by the US embassy and the Bushwhack DEA--the person he recently visited in Washington DC was Sen. Lugar. I don't know what they talked about, but I think we can be certain that the Bushwhack-backed white separatist insurrection was one topic. Morales kicked the US ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia, and received the unanimous backing of the new "common market" of South America--UNASUR--who intervened to investigate the machine-gunning, by these fascists, of some 30 unarmed peasants, and also sent a commission to Bolivia to bring the saner elements in the separatist groups to the peace table (which they successfully did). Morales wants better relations with the US government, but the sort of thing that Chiquita has been up to--slaughtering union leaders (Morales himself was a union leader)-- and rewarding the fascist thugs running Colombia with a "free trade" deal--are seriously alienating South America and its many new, popularly elected, peaceful, democratic, leftist leaders.

I don't know if Lugar is using a substitute issue--the Marc Rich pardon--to question Holder's nomination, when his chief concern may be Holder's work for Chiquita and its implications for Latin America. I really don't know. I'm just guessing. But it seems to me a much more serious issue than a presidential pardon. The case against the Chiquita execs (who admitted the payments to death squads) was filed in a U.S. court. The case against Chevron-Texaco for toxic oil spills in Ecuador--so extensive that they have been termed the "Rainforest Chernobyl" (far worse than Exxon-Valdez)--was originally filed in the U.S. (and then remanded to an Ecuadoran court, where a judgment of $16 billion in damages is about to be rendered against Chevron-Texaco). There are also cases involving extradition of rightwing terrorists and other criminals requested by Argentina, Venezuela and Cuba, and cases in which the U.S. justice system is being used to prevent prosecution of death squad crimes in Colombia, and a current case by a Bushwhack US attorney in Miami clearly designed to make headlines slandering the presidents of Venezuela and Argentina. The U.S. Attorney General's responsibilities mostly involve justice within our borders, but, as we have seen on the torture issue, for instance, on the treatment of illegal workers/immigrants, on "war on terror" cases, and other matters involving human rights, Constitutional rights and international law, the A.G. can well be directly involved, and is very influential. Do we want a corporate servant with a record like Holder's as chief law enforcement office of the U.S.?

I don't care much, one way or another, about the Marc Rich pardon. I DO care about THIS. Possibly Lugar does, too. DUers should be aware of that possibility.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:45 PM
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12. Brava! Excellent post! Major kudos for your trenchant summary.
:applause:
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:49 PM
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14. I agree...everyone should read the post two above this.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:51 PM
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15. In that case he should be a shoo-in!
It would be nice if we could get an Attorney General who knew the law..on all sides..but had never represented anyone who had committed horrific crimes. Especially when that someone worked for the U.S. Government. Perhaps we should eliminate any current career government workers from participating in government?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:02 PM
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17. Exactly. nt
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:45 PM
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20. Sorry, but he was probably appointed to do this job.
I'm sure he took no joy in it. We shouldn't use this to hold up having the first AA Attorney General. It's a tragic story but Holder's involvement was professional and detached.


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:23 AM
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22. "Detached"? From the murder of 4,000 union leaders? I'm sorry, but that is taking
professional "detachment" too far. 'Just following orders' is not okay when it comes to mass murder. I don't care who he is. These Chiquita execs hired assassins to kill four thousand people!. They admitted it. Holder arranged for them to be handslapped. When did we become so callous, so conscienceless, so oblivious to the pain and suffering of others, and so jaded in our political life, that we would tolerate a chief law enforcement officer of the United States who had colluded with Bushwhacks on immunity for these criminals?

I know our standards have hit bottom, with the Bush junta. But I expected Barack Obama to raise our standards, not match Bushwhack standards.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:48 AM
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23. Got to protect those big $ donors to the Money Party: Carl Lindner
Just as the Clintons helped protect the assets of Jackson Stephens, Holder was protecting the assets of Carl Lindner :mad: TIME TO GET RID OF THE MONEY PARTY MEMBERS WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK TO PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY FOR PROFIT!

McCain Backer's Firm Pleaded Guilty To Funding Terrorist Group In Colombia

July 2, 2008 03:07 AM




The co-host of a recent top-dollar fundraiser for Sen. John McCain oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States.

Carl H. Lindner Jr., the billionaire Cincinnati businessman, was CEO of Chiquita Brands International from 1984 to 2001, and remained on the company's board of directors until May 2002. Beginning under his tenure, Chiquita executives paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (known by the Spanish acronym AUC), which is described by George Washington University's National Security Archive as an "illegal right-wing anti-guerrilla group tied to many of the country's most notorious civilian massacres."

Following a Justice Department indictment last year, Chiquita admitted to illegally funding the paramilitaries and agreed to pay a $25 million fine. Chiquita's payments to the AUC began in 1997 and lasted seven years; roughly half of the funds came after the group was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the U.S. State Department in 2001.

According to the Justice Department, the payments "were reviewed and approved by senior executives" of Chiquita, who knew by no later than September 2000 "that the AUC was a violent, paramilitary organization."

Late last week, Lindner co-hosted a $25,000-per-person fundraiser for McCain and the Republican Party in the wealthy Indian Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. The event raised about $2 million; Lindner also serves on McCain's Ohio Victory Team.

-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain-fundraiser-oversaw_n_110354.html

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:49 PM
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13. As I posted in a different thread on this topic: Arlen "magic bullet" Spector is a two-faced,
fork-tongued, double-dealing, lying asshole.

On the other hand, it certainly wouldn't break my heart to see Obama forced to switch his pick for Attorney General to someone who's NOT a Clinton retread.

Not that I expect that to actually happen, but it's fun to fantasize.

sw
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:58 PM
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16. No shit.
Marc Rich may be a treasonous piece of shit, but at least he didn't cover up the murder of the President of the United States like Arlen did.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:06 PM
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18. I don't see why either should be tolerated. Just because Spector is an asshole, doesn't mean I like
Holder.

I'd prefer to be rid of both of them.

sw
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:39 PM
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19. Holder certainly wasn't my choice for AG
John Edwards would have been better, but his er... extracurricular activities probably excluded him from consideration. But if they had to take Janet Napolitano out of Arizona, she probably would have been better as AG.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:33 AM
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21. A sad move by desperate Repub who worries he might not win the next primary....n/t
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:18 AM
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24. They are fucking irrelevant now--they don't have any power to hold up
confirmation hearings.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:40 AM
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25. Thanks for bringing up this topic Brent. After hearing both sides, thanks to PeacePatriot
and mod mom, I'm going to side with the anti-Holder forces.

WE NEED CHANGE. Holder is not change. His nomination is a reward for doing the dirty deals he is being accused of. That's how the political game works and it's one major problem that President-elect Obama needs to address head on. Frankly, I am surprised that he wasn't vetted better.

This is one appointment I will not give Obama a pass on.

Thank you, Peace Patriot and mod mom for enlightening us about Holder's background.

If anyone is interested in having some influence in getting Holder's nomination withdrawn I urge you to write the Obama Transition team or email their website at www.change.gov

We were able to derail John Brennan's CIA Director appointment; although, the transition team would not admit it. This sounds like another opportunity for the people to speak about the kind of government we want.

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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:54 AM
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26. Sounds like someone's scared about re-election
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:07 AM
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27. Yep
Expect him to be Mr. Conservative the next two years to try to quell any primary opponent. Specter will not be a conservative Republican till 2011.
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