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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:22 PM
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Political careers have been ruined for one word.
Remember "macaca?" I think groping a cardboard cutout of Secretary of State-Elect Hillary Clinton could do it again.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:24 PM
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1. Lol..... OK.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:24 PM
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2. As soon as the cardboard cutout files a complaint, I'll agree.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:26 PM
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6. I don't remember the one identified as "macaca" filing any lawsuits.
In my opinion the groper is toast. He won't be near as hard to knock down as Allen was.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:52 PM
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It wasn't solely Macaca. It was that, then the history of the noose,
and the head in a mail box, and the use of the N-word. Macaca was a tight package to tie up the story of his racism.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:25 PM
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3. Remember when politicians were humiliated over pimping non-issues?
False plagiarism allegations, for instance?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:25 PM
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4. Are we in the middle of an election?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:38 PM
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21. Apparently, there is a organized effort to keep this going
but I don't know why. :shrug:
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Billy Shears Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:53 PM
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33. this is what we get for allowing the Drama Club a spot on the team
they don't have the capacity for accepting it gracefully.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:26 PM
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5. Groping a cardboard cutout..how stupid does that sound?
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:26 PM
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7. If a blowjob didn't end a career, then I think this won't.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:27 PM
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8. if Bill got it from a cardboard cutout it would have...
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:31 PM
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11. Ah, but a cardboard cutout wouldn't have blabbed to Linda Tripp
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:28 PM
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9. Allen was not talking to a cardboard
cutout. He also had racist skeletons in his closet that were revisited after his macaca comment.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:39 PM
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24. And not enough was made of the noose he had in his office. - n/t
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 03:39 PM by lapfog_1
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:31 PM
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10. ok, the manufactured outrage over this is careening wildly into the bizarro territory
and I do mean manufactured.

find something else to get outraged about -- its not like there isn't a wealth of outrageous things going on right now.


IMHO
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:32 PM
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12. I'm not upset.
I'm just stating the obvious. He's going nowhere fast.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:34 PM
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14. I don't think he's going anywhere.
They would've fired him already. And he works very well with Obama. I think he just got a slap on the wrist and a brief lecture about discretion. Then, back to the inaugural address!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:34 PM
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15. I"m speaking more in general about the outrage, not just the OP
I've seen about 15 threads about this today, and only two about torture. we all need to get a grip.

IMHO
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:59 PM
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56. Agreed- aren't people dying in Iraq
as we speak?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:33 PM
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13. Whose career are we talking about here? Favreau or Obama?
Favreau - arguable but probably not. He's not running for elected office.

Obama - no way.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:34 PM
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16. Favreau, of course.
And he does definitely have political aspirations. My understanding is he wants to continue as a White House speech writer.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:37 PM
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20. He apologized to Hillary Clinton....and they are both on the same side now.
Had he lied about it, he might have something more to answer for.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:15 PM
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50. Well, they were both on the same side when he was groping her cardboard boob.
Just saying........

;-)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:20 PM
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51. and......
I'm not getting why this is even an issue.

We've got the Chicago Labor sit ins,
The Bail outs,
The energy team being named tomorrow,
and a inauguration in a little over a month.

Where does this fit in, relative to our new Democratic Administration?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:30 PM
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53. This is a newly cemented partnership.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 04:31 PM by Beacool
And feelings are still a little raw. In other words, keep your filthy hands away from our gal's cardboard twin and we won't harm your guy's cut out. LOL!!!

It's not the end of the world but Favreau should have known better, ditto for the other drunken guy in the pic. To further compound their stupidity, they posted it on Facebook. Now millions of people have seen in print, internet and TV this kid copping a feel of the future SOS.

:7
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:37 PM
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55. I agree that Favreau should be aware that everything he does
and says, during his stint in the Obama administration, should be given a 2nd thought.

I'm sure that he was thinking that when he apologized.

But I have to correct you, Favreau didn't cop a feel of the Future SOS .....as I don't think Hillary would appreciate the confusion between herself and a flat cardboard photo aka Campaign prop.

What he did wasn't smart, but it is not worth the many threads and the multiple discussions....especially now that Hillary Clinton does work for the Obama administration.

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:35 PM
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17. Really?
This country has some serious issues.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:36 PM
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18. hasn't it already been confirmed that he's staying on?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:36 PM
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19. Serial?
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 03:37 PM by Drunken Irishman
!!!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:39 PM
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23. Everyone wants to be a victim
It's chic to be outraged.

I wish we knew how to fight smart. If we did we wouldn't be in the shape we are in.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:38 PM
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22. ?? Maybe I am paying attention to the wrong place, but is this really still an issue?
All I hear about is the auto bailout and our tanking economy.

But thank you for letting me know about what is REALLY important, and what I should be really paying attention to.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:41 PM
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26. You must have thought it has SOME importance.
Otherwise, why waste your time posting a reply, and kicking the thread in the process?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:44 PM
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27. I don't think it's any more important...
than that thread you posted about how Obama was secretly a muslim.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:39 PM
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25. Why do people assume Obama didn't know about this photo?
Favreau isn't going anywhere.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:44 PM
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28. He's young enough that he still has a career. nt
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:50 PM
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29. Could be but I doubt it.
This will be used again and again, by the Rethugs, against Obama if he stays. Personally, I'm not really offended. I think it was a stupid drunken stunt. But those things matter for high profile jobs.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:52 PM
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31. Is this a hot topic on Republican blogs? n/t
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:54 PM
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36. I have no idea.
But I do know, as you must if you are over 12 years old, that they will use anything and everything to bring down Democrats. And this is just the kind of smear they love.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:56 PM
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37. I am over 12.
Why so nasty?
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:54 PM
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35. Uhh... Republicans don't care about this.
They probably 100% fully approve of it. LOL. As if mocking Hillary Clinton was going to cause outrage in conservatives circles. They probably like him more now.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:13 PM
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49. How, exactly, would this be used?
"Senator xxxx is such an opponent to women that he uses a speechwriter that groped a cardboard cutout!"

Seriously? That would really sway even one voter?
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Billy Shears Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:51 PM
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30. you also thought Hillary would be President by now
Favreau will be writing speeches for Obama for years to come
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:53 PM
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32. And I voted for Obama in the end.
Next question.
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Billy Shears Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:57 PM
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38. that still doesn't improve your initial judgement
Favreau's words will be in History books, despite your faux-outrage.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:58 PM
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39. Whatever.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:33 PM
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54. For someone here 1 wk & with only 26 posts, you sure do know a lot of past history about posters
You're pretty amazing (snicker)
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stranger_with_candy Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:54 PM
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34. This is probably the stupidest post about that subject yet
And there have been a lot of them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:58 PM
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40. oh how ridiculous can it get?
this is so not a macaca moment. This absolutely the stupidest fucking thing to get outraged about that one could imagine.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:02 PM
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42. And why would folks who want the Obama Administration to do well,
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 04:02 PM by FrenchieCat
want to make a big thing out of this? In particular when Hillary Clinton is part of that administration. I don't understand how this helps Democrats, Obama or Hillary Clinton. I'm stumped at the reaction....cause there is no election going on, and we are all supposed to be on the same side.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:04 PM
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43. Hillary adulation and residual primary resentment.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:11 PM
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47. But that doesn't make any sense....since Hillary is in the Obama Aministration!
The primaries are history......and Hillary wouldn't appreciate this kind of dumbass counterproductive resentment.

I seriously doubt that she doesn't want to do anything but a good job for the President that she has accepted to serve. And I doubt that she would appreciate anyone who says they support her to attempt to undermine the Obama administration by making a big deal about small things.

I remember Obama making the statement that his opponents would try to make a big election about small things. But this ain't even about an election!

Favreau apologized to Hillary.
I'm not sure why this subject should continue to be an issue.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:11 PM
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48. Wait til tomorrow.
The threshold seems to move further and further away from reality with each passing day at DU.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:00 PM
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41. So... is the word "cardboard"?
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:05 PM
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44. Yeah, this really dooms Senator Favreau's presidential ambitions in 2008.
Oh wait.

Seriously, how can you compare the two situations?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:09 PM
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45. And the Rezco story is going to break big any day now.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:26 PM
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52. Right after the 'whitey tape'.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:10 PM
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46. No one's voting for Favreau.
Unless he runs for office, what he can provide to a politician is at issue and little else. Since he's not even a surrogate and largely works behind the scenes, he will always have a home with someone.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 05:37 PM
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57. I thought he was pretty good in "Swingers"
although Vince Vaughn really stole the show.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:19 PM
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58. Actually "Macaca" killed Allen because it made the media pay attention to his racism
If the Macaca thing were the only thing Allen would still be a Senator. But actually got the media to pay attention to his racist past and once the floodgates were opened, he was finished.

If Favreau had a secret history of groping women he would indeed be finished in politics. But he doesn't and that's why this is simply an isolated instance.
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