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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:04 PM
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Good God! Get the fuck over it!
Are we back to the primaries again? If Howard Wolfson did this, If Hillary did that...

A speechwriter does something very dumb and soon after apologizes and yet some on DU are outraged over why more DUers are not outraged?

Seriously, WTF? :wtf:

Enough with these projections and silly cries over sexism and racism. Why do we insist so much on playing the victim card? Do we really feel that insecure or behind the game?


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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:06 PM
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1. You should start a thread.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:09 PM
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2. Don't you see the irony in starting an outrage thread telling others to get over it? :)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:10 PM
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3. I'd like to know if any of THEM ever did anything stupid at a party.
Or anywhere else for that matter. Then they should post pictures of it so we can rip them apart for it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:17 PM
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4. it's called a POLIITCAL DISCUSSION BOARD
YOU need to get the fuck over it
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:18 PM
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5. Uh, so what is this about???
What did I miss? I was only gone for the weekend...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:25 PM
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6. We ain't got shit else to do.
Outrage has been a permanent state of mind for the last 8 years.

There is no going back now....and any topic will do.

Without the outrage, what would we do with ourselves?
Can't be outraged at the right, cause they lost.
Can't be outraged at the media, because we follow them following us?
Can't be totally outraged at Obama yet; he's not been sworn in yet.
Can't be outraged at Bush; he's on his way out.

In otherwords, we've got nothin', so this will do very nicely for now! :shrug:
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:34 PM
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20. I think a little outrage over sexism is a good thing. Just as
outrage over racism is a good thing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:10 PM
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24. Oftentime when I have mentioned Racism, I was told that
it was only happening coming from the Obama camp.

I'm so glad the Primaries are over though.
So glad there are not votes to be gotten due to partisan outrage.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:15 PM
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25. DING DING DING DING DING! I bow to your superior intelligence..
You nailed it again!
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:44 PM
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7. No! Cardboard cutouts have rights! This cutout was abused sexually!
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 01:45 PM by dmallind
I mean even the people who want to say this is nothing still say it was "stupid" or "drunken". I fail to see how it was necessarily either, and even if both, what that has to do with a speechwriter.

When he writes a speech for Obama that includes "and I want to put my hands on cardboard representations of Hillary's boobs" THEN it's stupid. Doing so yourself in a private capacity unrelated to your job is no more stupid (or sexist) than crumpling up a magazine with pictures of women in it.

And to forestall the predictable tiresome outrage addicts yes I'd say the same if it were my wife, or a man, or a Republican, or Mrs. Obama, or any other example you can think of. It was fricking cardboard and cardboard has neither feelings nor rights.

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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:57 PM
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10. Anybody dumb enough to do that in the Internet Age
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 01:57 PM by riqster
...is too dumb to serve our country. My pennies.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:01 PM
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12. to do WHAT?
To touch a cardboard cutout while smiling and making an obvious joke? Do you think this is a sign he really thinks it's OK to grab womens' boobs?
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:28 PM
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16. Politics is often more about perception than reality
..which is why, for example, we forbid our public servants to engage in activity that even APPEARS to be a conflict of interest. It isn't fair, of course, but it's reality. Hell, on my last project I couldn't buy a pizza for my public-sector client, for fear of appearing to be 'bribing' him.

In this case, the giuy in question engaged in activity that APPEARS to condone sexist, degrading conduct. And he's supposed to be in communications, for crying out loud. He should know better.

Not ready for prime time. Let him grow up and try again later.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:33 PM
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18. So - only ascetic monks are allowed to work for Obama?
I know what you are saying and the pragmatist in me agrees that percpetion is (overly) important, but the rationalist in me says there is no earthly fucking reason why it should be and resents the hell out of even other people (let alone me, who has fat too atheistic a trail to ever even consider public or poiltical service) having to pretend to be characterless joyless drones so they can do a job completely unrelated to their "bad" activities.

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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:45 PM
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22. In principle, I agree completely
I never realized what an up-tight asshole nation America was, until I traveled abroad. Blue laws, all that shit we have here. And issues like this one. *sigh* It truly IS stupid and irrational. But it's the hand we've been dealt, and having sat down at the table, it's the hand we must play.

Obama is smart, tough, and above all DISCIPLINED. So too must be his entire team, top to bottom. Obama needs to have as few hindrances as possible, and needs as many people on his team who are as smart as he is. He can't use anyone (or anything) less.

This kid is talented, and in a rational world, that would be enough. In this one, he's not there yet.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:59 PM
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11. What are you, some kind of cardboardaphobe??222?22???2

That cardboard Hillary has a family, you know! :mad:
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:13 PM
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13. Dammit you got me
i don't even think cardboard should be able to marry or adopt!
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:47 PM
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23. Down with anti-cellulose bigotry!
:rofl:
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:49 PM
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8. All I can say...
...is that I am freaking glad the innerwebs\Facebook and digital cameras were not around when I was in my 20s!

Yeah...I am old.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:51 PM
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9. Some people like to the play the victim and stir up shit where there is none.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:16 PM
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14. Liberals can never just let it rest.
Liberal reaction to the picture: OMG, that's sooooo sexist and oppresses women everywhere. Also, it caused the Holocaust.

Non-liberal reaction to the picture: LOL.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:27 PM
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15. boy you sure on a tear about "those libruls"
:eyes:
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:31 PM
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17. Liberals can be annoyingly PC.
The one thing I can agree with Republicans on.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:33 PM
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19. i wouldn't equate PC with liberals like that. I am liberal as they come and this cutout shit is
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 02:33 PM by dionysus
fucking stupid...

:shrug:
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:37 PM
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21. They CAN be. Not all are (God, I hope I'm not..).
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 02:43 PM by mwei924
But sometimes I can understand why people make of liberals for excessive PC-ness. I personally didn't even care about that New Yorker cover. I can understand why the campaign worried about it before the election, but I don't see what the big deal is.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:18 PM
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26. And even when I say that as a woman, it doesn't oppress me, I'm told
that they weren't talking about me, even though I'm one of those so-called "oppressed" women. :crazy:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:08 PM
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30. Nonsense.
Perhaps a better understanding of 'liberal' is in order. (Read John Rawls.)
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:09 PM
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31. It has nothing to do with liberal ideology, just some of the people. ..
..who can't seem to get over the fact that not everyone acts like a PC robot.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:47 PM
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27. Cardboard Liberation!
Nominated.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:05 PM
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28. We need a Cardboard Anti-desecration Amendment. Now.
:dunce:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:07 PM
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29. And here I had been
led to believe that there was a future in plastics.
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