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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:29 AM
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What is the appropriate punishment for groping cardboard figures?
It is my belief that the appropriate punishment should be that a cardboard replica of the perpetrator ought to be burned at the stake.

Any other suggestions?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:31 AM
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1. Exposure to paper fleas for five minutes. nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:31 AM
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2. What is the approriate punishment for bringing undue embarassment to your boss?
:shurg:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:35 AM
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7. a stern lecture?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:20 PM
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27. Depends who it is.
Most of the time, I would give awards for that.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:32 AM
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3. Naw, that's too drastic.
I think a fine of ten thousand dollars in Monopoly money should be sufficient.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:32 AM
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4. A thousand paper cuts.
Or nothing.

Take your pick.

:shrug:
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:32 AM
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5. He should have to wear ithe cutout on his back all day, everyday for a month.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:34 AM
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6. The embarrassment of being caught and found to be stupid is punishment enough.
Though many would prefer castration.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:45 AM
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8. same as the punishment for white people that only use the n-word around other white people.
same faux outrage.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:46 AM
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9. I am totally shocked by all of the hysteria concerning a piece of cardboard.
Let me say that we have a full sized cut out of * and have spent the last year determining its final hours. We had decided that on January 20th we would pull the dumpster to the street and stand George in it like yesterdays trash but hey, I don't want to end up on the front pages. I guess all of the bubble thoughts that we have pasted on him are crimes as well.

People need to join the real world. Either Hillary Clinton is a fully formed human or she is not. How can we expect her to straighten out the worlds problems if she is always needing an apology or some special stroke? Let's talk about our soldiers and how they need some special consideration and stroking. How about getting them home? How about treating them with respect? Someone needs to grow up in a big hurry.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:59 AM
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14. No kidding
While it may have been in a poor taste (anything done when alcohol is involved usually is), there are have got to be at least thousands of other problems that are more important for us to focus on than something like this. Before all this, I had no idea we had laws against sexually harrassing a CARDBOARD CUT OUT (admittedly, of a real person but still). What's important to me is that he apologized to Hillary (and probably to Obama) and took down the pictures. What more exactly should he have to do? Flog himself in the public square? Wear a scarlet "G" around his neck for the rest of his life? Why should he have to be fired and/or resign over THIS? I hope this is not the beginning of another long string of "manufactroversies" like what the Clintons had to deal with the whole time they were in the WH.

:eyes:
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:44 AM
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20. Hillary doesn't need the apology, women do. nt
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:51 AM
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23. I call *ullshit on that!
I am a woman and I will say that nothing has degraded women more that Hillary's behavior at the end of the primary season when she disappeared and refused to come out of hiding to concede. Right there...RIGHT THERE...is where women deserved an apology. She makes women out to be weak sniveling souls that constantly need to be knelt to. Get off of this crap about women being degraded because a cardboard cut out was kissed. Really let's come back to the world of reality sometime soon before it is impossible to elect a woman for anything.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:52 PM
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34. word up sister.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:51 PM
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33. Women don't need the apology, cardboard cutouts do. nt
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:08 PM
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47. I don't want one for this stupidic nonsense nonissue. you don't speak for me.
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atimetocome Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:44 PM
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61. then you are clueless.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:51 AM
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10. I would think the cardboard figure should have their way with the perpetrator
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 09:57 AM by zulchzulu
I had dozens of women grope my Obama cutout in Madison at my Obama table. Heck, I have video and photos of such behavior. I even had some women want to know where they could get their own personal Obama cutout "for later".

Since this is pretty much an altered universe subject, I'd say the cardboard cutout should be allowed to do whatever it wants to those that grope it. If nothing happens, the owner of the cutout could perhaps return the favor.

Take this example. These two women from Holland and Spain came by my Obama table and groped my Obama cutout. They both kissed it and giggled with joy. I feel that, as the owner of said cutout, that I should act as if I AM the cutout and participate equivocally. Here they are after kissing doing the thumbs-up.



:sarcasm:

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:24 PM
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36. Did they also grab his cardboard crotch?
I doubt it........

:eyes:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:52 AM
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11. a cardboard ankle bracelet?
heh.

honestly, I don't get the uproar over this one. I've not commented until now, but I find the original incident silly rather than damaging in any way.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:52 AM
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12. First, he should get his ass kicked
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 09:54 AM by demwing
by a cardboard cutout of Bill Clinton.

Second, he must be investigated by some cardboard Secret Service agents.

Third, Hillary should dress a cardboard likeness of HIM like a baby, and publically announce that she'll hang on to it till it grows up and acts like an adult.

And then, finally, this molehill of a story should die...
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:11 AM
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16. But wouldn't you have to get the cardboard Bill Clinton away from the cardboard Monica first?

I did NOT have sexual relations with that piece of cardboard, Miss Lewinsky.....
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:56 AM
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13. They should be groped and then drawn and quartered in effigy
Whatever that means.
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Catbird Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:59 AM
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Are the cutouts children or not?
As long as the cardboard cutouts are apparently consenting adults, there is no need for a penalty. However, there should be a serious penalty for underage cardboard groping.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:59 AM
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15. A week of solitary confinement inside an appliance carton.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:15 AM
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17. Can you imagine the office nickname this guy is going to have?
Well, I can't but I'm sure it will be a good one. Speaking as a Cardboard-American I think that will be punishment enough. :D
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:39 AM
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18. I'm A Jerk - tattooed on their forehead?
nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:38 PM
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41. I don't think you are a jerk at all.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:40 AM
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19. To stand naked and allow the real version of the cardboard cutout
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 10:48 AM by Alter Ego
to grope you in turn.

Oh God, I can imagine Favreau standing there nude while Hillary is going "Oooo...quite a big boy." He'd certainly never get caught out doing it again.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:28 PM
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38. How about,
Oooohhh what a teeny weeny little guy. Could someone please pass me a magnifying glass?

}(
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:45 AM
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21. There aren't enough cardboard jails or cardboard courts to do justice. n/t
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:50 AM
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22. Castrated in effigy
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 10:56 AM by alwysdrunk
With a dull blade.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:55 AM
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24. Scarlet letter "C" for Cardboardist. "F" for much worse foamcore board perv.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:13 PM
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25. lol
good one
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:18 PM
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26. Whatever the punishment for Sexual Harassment is...
Whatever the punishment for Sexual Harassment is...

All other things being equal, were that particular scenario were to be played out at my office, the person in question would be written up for sexual harassment and sent home for the week sans pay if it were his/her first offense.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:18 PM
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28. Thank god the guy didn't light a match to the thing.
Guess that would be cardboard murder in the first degree with a triple scoop of sexual harassment.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:44 PM
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30. I don't think the cardboard cut-out is a proxy in this scenario
I don't think the cardboard cut-out is a proxy in original scenario (at least, would it to play out out my office...), but rather, is simply a prop used by the person who would get written up.

Unlike your scenario, I don't think anyone would be either harmed or directly offended it the cut-out were set on fire (but then we'd a safety issue on our hands, a whole different kettle of fish...)
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:11 PM
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48. we'll have to watch and see how this cutout will be disposed of
I hope there are cameras around to have the perpertrators shamed publicly for physical abuse of cardboard people (thats PACP for you legalize types).

will she be crumples and pitched, burned, recycled perhaps.
o, the cruelties!
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:27 PM
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60. Too funny! n/t
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:46 PM
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31. How
How is this sexual harassment?

Was Hilary there? Were they taunting a Clinton Supporter? Were they at the office????

This guy just needs to remember who he works for and not post pics to the innerwebs.

This is NOT harassment or a crime. It is a drunk guy having fun. Nothing got hurt except some overly sensitive people's sense of humor.

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:58 PM
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35. Bless your little heart...
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 01:59 PM by LanternWaste
If one holds up a picture of a female, and one proceeds to mime groping the breasts of the person pictured regardless of whether the person pictured was present or not, that would indeed be considered sexual harassment (in that it is "...unwelcome attention of a sexual nature" (Wiki)).

"Was Hilary there?" I dunno. Probably not-- unless of course that was merely a rhetorical question to ad some melodrama to your post...


"Were they taunting a Clinton Supporter?" I dunno. Probably not, but I can't even begin to figure out why that's a relevant question.


"Were they at the office????" I don't think so-- but as stated in my post, were the same scenario to be played out "at my office (I can type slower if that helps..)..." And I imagine that any and every member of a Presidential candidate's campaign staff should always act as though they are being interviewed, unless they are absolutely confident and secure that what they are doing/saying will not be seen or heard-- I imagine it would be common sense. :shrug:

edited: clarity
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:26 PM
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37. Ok, so if say "Damn, you're hot" to George Clooney's People magazine cover...
..he could sue me for harassment?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:40 PM
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42. I doubt it...
I doubt it... but if you held out a picture of him and mimed groping his crotch in front of co-workers, you'd probably get a write up. :P

(I'd go to bat for you though during the HR meeting as I hear Clooney's a pretty good egg)
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:42 PM
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43. But that's at work... drinking beer at work would also get write-up.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:52 PM
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45. And as I've said (for the umpteenth time now...)
And as I've said (for the umpteenth time now...), the scenario I used was predicated on being at work.

If you're a worker for a Presidential Campaign, you'd do yourself (and your candidate) a great service if you behaved and acted as though you were in front of a camera at all times, unless you have absolute knowledge that what you're saying or doing is within the confines of complete privacy.

Unless of course one thinks that being a campaign staffer is a nine-to-five, Monday thru Friday job... I'd imagine it's not, but others may think otherwise..
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:39 PM
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29. Detention on the HARD bench in the SoS office every afternoon for the rest of the semester?
:shrug:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:50 PM
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32. The groper should submit to being groped by a cardboard cutout.
The papercuts alone would border on cruel and unusual punishment.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:33 PM
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39. Force them to read every thread about it on every message board.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:37 PM
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40. Now yer talkin
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:42 PM
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44. LOL
Good one. :thumbsup:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:21 PM
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49. That falls under cruel and unusual punishment.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:38 PM
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58. Nice post, Brandeis!
Weekly Paper
(This smiley needs more usage)

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:05 PM
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46. Wack his pee-pee.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:32 PM
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52. cardboard or, er, um, meat?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:30 PM
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50. Sit in the corner for the rest of the class period.
Boys will be boys.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:24 PM
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51. Corrugation
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:33 PM
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54. *** DING DING DING DING ***
Corrugation is of course the correct answer.

WE HAVE A WINNER

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:32 PM
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53. Nothing short of impeachment
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:35 PM
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57. If I punch backwards B girl in the eye
using photoshop, is it assault?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:42 PM
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59. Yes, but not against Ashley
Against all of womynkind.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:34 PM
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55. To be put in a room full of PUMAs.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 04:34 PM by cottonseed
Or read GD : P the over the last few days. That punishment borders on torture.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:34 PM
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56. Death by Puma.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:47 PM
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62. Turn the page. Another outrage will soon appear. Yawn. nt
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:31 PM
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63. A cardboard replica of the perp should be f*ck*d up the a**
by a cardboard replica of a broomstick.

But I could be persuaded that there are other suitable punishments.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:40 PM
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64. nothing
Their public display of their own stupidity is enough.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:42 PM
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65. Ahh...very Zen.
:)
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 02:25 AM
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66. Death, by BUNGA BUNGA.
:evilgrin:
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