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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:03 PM
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Tiny crowd prays Supreme Court will invalidate Obama presidency
Me? I'm just praying for a nice cold winter rain...


Tiny crowd prays Supreme Court will invalidate Obama presidency

by Nick Juliano
Friday December 5, 2008


A small but determined band of conservative protesters gathered outside the Supreme Court Friday morning to pray the justices would invalidate Barack Obama's election.

The court was deciding whether it would hear oral arguments in Donofrio v. Wells, which argues that Obama's placement on the New Jersey presidential election ballot was invalid because he is not a natural born citizen. The justices are expected to dismiss the case.

Discussions with several of the 18 demonstrators who gathered despite freezing temperatures revealed disjointed, confusing and increasingly conspiratorial reasons for their presence. Several alleged varying degrees of a coverup to hide the circumstances surrounding Obama's birth; none were willing to accept the much simpler explanation that Obama was in fact a natural-born citizen eligible to be president.

If, as everyone expects, the Supreme Court decides not to hear the case challenging Obama's citizenship, it's unlikely this crowd will be satisfied. The citizenship skeptics may become the 9/11-was-an-inside-job crowd of the Obama era.

The similarities between the skepticism movements should hardly be surprising. As conspiracy-theory chronicler David Weigle notes in Slate, the Philadelphia lawyer who filed the first lawsuit questioning Obama's citizenship previously went to court on behalf of 9/11 Truthers.

The essence of the case being appealed to the Supreme Court, Donofrio v. Wells, is that Obama does not meet the constitution's requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen because his Kenyan father was a British Citizen when Obama was born in 1961. Plaintiffs argue that Obama would have had dual US and British citizen when he was born, making him ineligible.

Roger Bredow, who traveled to Washington from Bethlehem, GA, helped organize the small protest. He said the case rests on an interpretation of Article II of the constitution and immigration laws written in 1790 and 1795.

He did acknowledge that citizenship laws had been substantially amended in the last two centuries. But, "The reason that you look at those is to determine the intent of the founding fathers," he said.

To be clear, the questions of Obama's birth have been roundly and convincingly debunked.

The citizenship questioners organized on fringe Web sites and through YouTube videos. Several questioned why the mainstream media wasn't covering their conspiracy-mongering.

Pete Anderson, a retiree from Springfield, VA, spun a theory involving "staged backpack nukes already in this country" that were somehow involved in preventing the media from reporting on Obama's citizenship.

"There is a theory -- as crazy as it may seem -- that we are now in a state of siege," Anderson said.

It was tough to follow Anderson's logic, and even fellow demonstrators thought it was too far out there.

"I didn't bring my tinfoil hat," Bredow ribbed, cutting into our interview.

The two demonstrators went on to bicker between themselves over the true reasons for the media's silence.


:) Have a great weekend, guys!
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:06 PM
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1. Wow!! The morans gathered for something other than free beer!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:14 PM
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2. Who is guarding the porta-potties???? n/t
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 08:15 PM by pacoyogi
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:15 PM
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3. .
:rofl:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:30 PM
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4. Where did they find Uncle Tom?
no offense but do they really represent African-Americans.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:52 AM
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17. Ahem. A black man who disagrees with Obama (or common sense) isn't an "Uncle Tom"
The idea of equality includes the right to be politically wrong. It's called free will. There's an underlying racist assumption in you accusing a black man of being an Uncle Tom just because he has a conservative (or in this case "fucking insane") political philosophy.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:05 AM
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41. Can't he represent himself?
Believe it not the guy is an individual with his own thoughts and feelings. Why can't people of color be any political persuasion they feel is appropriate for them without being called names?
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zogtheobvious Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:34 PM
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5. Yep, yer right, Pete!
Yep, yer right, Pete! Seems crazy all right, Pete! Are you off your meds, Pete?

Hey, let me introduce you to everyone! Pete, this is everyone. Everyone, this is Pete. Pete's a psycho douchebag, everyone! Only one thing you need to worry about... ammonia. Don't mention ammonia to Pete.

It makes him weird.

No, Pete... I wasn't talking to you... yes, I'm a citizen, Pete... yer freakin' me out, Pete...

(ok, friends don't let friends drink and post! ;) )
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:52 PM
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6. Clarence Thomas took this in and you can be sure ...
they're wondering if they can get away with another steal --

or what damage they can do to new administration ...

It's been 10 days and waiting for second shoe to drop --

Usually timebombs on weekends ...???

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:56 PM
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8. Timebombs on weekends?

Oh be for real.

Here's another pic of the protest:



The chemtrails alone will fix them.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:16 AM
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15. Dude, it was standard procedure
A writ of certiorari is presented to the appropriate justice for the district and is dismissed. The claimant then presents to another Justice. If that justice dismisses the claimant can go through the list of all the justices. Because of this, the second justice will generally take the writ to conference where it is reviewed by all justices at one time and is then denied. This effectively kills it.

Happens all the time. More than 800 writs of certiorari went to conference in the past eight years and just over 60 were accepted.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:08 AM
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22. OK ...encouraging ---
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:25 AM
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24. Here's even more encouragement
There are numerous cases presented in conference. The vast majority are denied.

There are normally so few accepted that they release that list almost immediately on Fridays so the attorneys in the cases can immediately begin preparations.

The list of denied cases are so long that the court staff is given the weekend to compile the list for release on Mondays.

It's EXTREMELY rare for a case that is not listed in the accepted cases to not be listed in the denied cases the following Monday. That would mean the case was held over to the next conference. Usually this happens only because there were too many cases under consideration and the justices did not get tot eh case in question.

It is UNHEARD OF for a case that was nnot listed as accepted on Friday to be entered into the list the following Monday.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:31 PM
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7. Check out this post below.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:02 AM
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Remember the assholes at Focus on the Family prayed for rain at our convention?
.
.



And what happened?

The Democratic Convention had sunshine and perfect weather all four days....

...and the ugly thugs were hit with a category 4 hurricane during theirs!!

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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:45 PM
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37. lol
I had forgotten about that! :rofl:

Oh, the irony. I'm a Christian myself- can't stand Dobson, Robertson, etc. They're complete hypocrites and frauds. Imagine- a person who professes to believe in God praying for catastrophe on one's POLITICAL opponents. It's so ridiculous and would be funny if they weren't such dangerous people.

As a believer, I took the whole thing as a good sign that we were going to win big on election day. And that God has a great sense of humor. :-)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:02 AM
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9. I'm not sure why thunderbolts have gone out of favor with Gods...
I think the world is ready to see this time honored tradition come back into vogue. Cold rain? You're too kind.

:evilgrin:
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ACTION BASTARD Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:49 AM
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10. Where is your god now? Kneel before Zod!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:17 AM
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11. How would having "dual U.S and British" citizenships...
...mean Obama wasn't a "natural-born citizen" if a) one of his parents was a U.S. citizen and b) he was born in the U.S.?

:wtf:

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OswegoAtheist Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:34 AM
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12. Duh!
Only liberul morans like us would even consider having sex with a furrinur! It's unnatural, like fluoride and diplomacy! Like that great hero of the Korean War, Maj. Frank Burns used to say, if she doesn't salute when you're done, turn her in!

Oswego "That's Major Ferret Face to you, Captain Pierce!" Atheist
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:26 AM
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16. Scary foreign father - can't have that.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:10 AM
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13. Doesn't that lot have a few 'roos' loose in the paddock! n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:12 AM
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14. I have a theory on why the media has ignored this issue...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:58 AM
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18. The facts have a well known left wing bias
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:03 AM
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20. They, the unhinged,
can't accept the birth certificate you present...

Because it is a "copy"

Never mind that the U.S. State Department recognizes a "copy" as valid proof and will assign anyone who presents a "copy" of their birth certificate, a U.S. Passport.

:crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:21 AM
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23. Yep, and when Obama requested a copy of his BC
The above is what they sent him.

Same holds true in most states. I know I have never seen, nor will I ever see, the "vault copy" of my BC. I have something similar to what Obama presneted and used it for my passport.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:02 AM
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19. Lord, as we are gathered here to bicker amongst ourselves...
May you hear our pleas and not chuckle audibly. Ramen.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:07 AM
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21. "The two demonstrators went on to bicker between themselves."
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Two Sheds Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:42 AM
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25. By far the most interesting thing in that article is...
the man Bredow's resort to the Constitution's original immigration and naturalization laws. Though he acknowledges that the laws have been amended, he thinks the important thing is "to determine the intent of the founding fathers."
We have got to do something about these "original intent" idiots.
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leftcoastlefty Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:54 PM
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26. these goofballs have two choices. . .
1. Produce the Kenyan Birth Certificate

OR

2. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:47 AM
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28. lol Exactly. A variation on "you have to prove God exists. I don't have to prove he doesn't" n/t
nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:59 PM
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27. And somewhere in America 18 Golf/Country Clubs are missing their night watchmen.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:09 AM
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29. A nice cold winter rain...oh my, you're way nicer than I am...
I'll be praying for it to be raining blood and poisonous toads.

But only on them.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:44 AM
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30. Dear Freeptards...
GET A FUCKING LIFE.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:46 AM
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31. These people are certifiable.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:58 AM
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33. You'd think that, but....

...each time they were certified crazy, they said the certificate was a forgery and filed a lawsuit.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:17 AM
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39. ROTFLMAO! Good one.
:rofl:
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Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:54 AM
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32. Tiny being the operative word here
Tiny crowd, tiny brains, tiny grasp on reality.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:04 PM
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34. I'm glad that word was used.....
So often the media reports a few counter protesters with them same amount of attention they give the tens of thousands of protesters on the other side.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:46 AM
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38. How tiny can a crowd be and still be called a "crowd"?
If I stand around with a couple of friends on the street corner chatting, are we a "tiny crowd" too? I would think you need at least 50 people to be a "crowd", tiny or not.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:46 PM
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35. I've seen bigger crowds looking at a cute kitten
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lin_e65 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:23 PM
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36. It's those Confederate Americans..again
Just stuck on the fact that it's the whites that rule and have title to the world. Never mind that they don't look around at the diversity. White is right. Get yer head outta yer (_!_)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:22 AM
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40. Oxymoron.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:09 AM
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42. Oxymoran.
:rofl:
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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:05 PM
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43. The real miracle would be if the freezing rain was localized...
...just to the area where they were praying, leaving the rest of the 93% of people in DC who voted for Barack Obama untouched.
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:12 PM
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44. I'm glad all the praying worked out for ya! Good job!!
See, I've been praying really hard asking god to negate their prayers. And my prayers were answered!!! There is a god!!! :sarcasm:
Another sad example of ignorance wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
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lelgt60 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:09 PM
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45. Sometimes God says Fuck You!
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