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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:03 PM
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Top Obama speechwriter under fire for "groping" Hillary cutout


Question No. 58 in the transition team vetting document for the Obama White House asks that applicants: "Please provide the URL address of any websites that feature you in either a personal or professional capacity (e.g. Facebook, My Space, etc.)"

Question No. 63 asks that applicants "please provide any other information ... that could ... be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family, or the President-Elect."

For a while there this afternoon, President-elect Barack Obama's immensely talented chief speechwriter, 27-year-old Jon Favreau, might have been pondering how to address that question.

That's when some interesting photos of a recent party he attended -- including one where he's dancing with a life-sized cardboard cut-out of secretary of state-designate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, and another where he's placed his hand on the cardboard former first lady's chest while a friend is offering her lips a beer -- popped up on Facebook for about two hours. The photos were quickly taken down -- along with every other photo Favreau had of himself on the popular social networking site, save for one profile headshot.

Asked about the photos, Favreau, who was recently appointed director of speechwriting for the White House, declined comment. A transition official said that Favreau had "reached out to Senator Clinton to offer an apology."

Favreau is not the first campaign aide whose online presence has proved awkward. Last March, John McCain aide Soren Dayton forwarded an anti-Obama YouTube video to his private Twitter feed linking Obama with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, leading to his suspension from the campaign. And in 2007, two bloggers hired by former North Carolina senator John Edwards stepped down after blog posts they had written before he hired them became a subject of controversy.

Favreau's case seems unlikely to be so dire; Clinton senior adviser Philippe Reines cast the photos as evidence of increased bonhomie between the formerly rival camps.

"Senator Clinton is pleased to learn of Jon's obvious interest in the State Department, and is currently reviewing his application," he said in an e-mail.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/12/04/o...

To be honest, I just want to express happiness that the speechwriter is under the age of 30!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM
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1. The REAL question is why is the OTHER guy trying to pour beer up her nose?
Is he trying to drowned her? What's up with that?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM
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7. Water boarding?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:46 PM
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28. Darn you, Katie Couric!
Sorry, that immediately pops into my head whenever I hear that term now.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM
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2. Yikes!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM
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3. Wow. Not good.
:scared:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM
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4. Favreau is under 30? Judging by that photo, I would have guess he was under 15.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM
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8. Really? How many 15 year olds do you know with receding hairlines?
To me, he looks over 30.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:33 PM
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37. I was being facetious in reference to the pose.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 03:35 PM by Phx_Dem
I guess I don't know any grown men who grope the "boobs" of a cardboard cutout.

:)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:46 PM
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39. I do! :P
I thought you meant looks, sorry.

Sometimes people look really young.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:22 PM
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43. LOL. Well stop it!!
:)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM
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62. Maybe when you're around they don't
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM by Radical Activist
:-)
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:31 AM
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110. you don't hang out with many grown men then
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:35 PM
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44. I went to college with an 18-year-old who had one. n/t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:01 PM
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48. Sad! :(
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:12 AM
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82. a receding hairline, or a carboard HRC cutout?
The scary part would be if he had both.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #82
162. The hairline. I went to college a looooong time ago. n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #8
60. Nope. He looks about 30 or a bit under. My husband started having a rededing hairline
at 24!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:53 AM
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83. In today's society, 30 is the New 15. Sadly.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM
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5. Bye Bye Mr. Favreau!
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:16 PM
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14. Where's he going?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:24 PM
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73. Hardly
Hillary would have hired him if she could have, he's that good.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM
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6. The worst thing with this is not that he did it...
But that he allowed the photo to be taken knowing it could cause him trouble.

Kind of stupid.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:44 PM
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27. I agree. He's dumb as hell for taking the photo, and even stupider for uploading it.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:02 AM
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99. Not necessarily him posting it.
You can post pictures and then tag them with the names of other facebook users (in them or not) - and the picture will then be linked to their account.

The story is not clear on the specifics there.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:11 AM
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81. I'm thinking the photo was not taken early in the evening.
This is most likely an vivid illustration of the concept of "impaired judgment".

And I'm guessing this guy won't get to grope any non-cardboard breasts anytime soon.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM
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9. Death to him!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:08 PM
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10. Let's cut the guy some slack.
Was this before or after the primary campaign?

Plus, he looks young, it looks like a party with some alcohol involved.

Has everyone here always behaved totally politically correct while drinking at parties?
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:38 PM
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148. I'm not writing speeches for the president. What other immature bad choices should we excuse
by saying, "Oh, no big deal. He was just DRUNK."
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:10 PM
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11. Well, Samantha Power got canned for calling Hill a monster...
It'll be interesting to see what Barack has to say about this.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM
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If you had read all of what was posted
you'd realize that this is not going to get him shitcanned. Hillary laughed it off.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:22 PM
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19. If you had read my post, you'd realize I'm interested in what Barack has to say...
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:22 PM by polichick
...not Hillary.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
71. She's been rehired. (nt)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:08 AM
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86. I know - good news. imo she should never have been fired.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #11
89. And now Samantha Power is back on the team
I don't think he is going anywhere. And he shouldn't.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:02 AM
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106. I didn't think Power should be canned either - but I'm still curious about Barack's take on it...
He runs a pretty tight ship.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #106
109. I am sure Barack isn't happy about it
but I don't think what he did was reason for him to be fired.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:35 AM
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112. Did he get fired? Barack was pretty strict before the election...
...but things might be different now.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:14 PM
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12. Make Love...
Not Political War.

I'm sure everyone got a laugh out of that.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:15 PM
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13. Oh for Pete's sake......

...just some young guys having some fun. If I was Hillary I'd have a good laugh (and be sort of flattered, honestly.)

A good friend of mine had her picture taken with an Obama cutout -- she was pointing to a sign next to it, but due to her short stature and the height of the cutout, it looks like she was pointing at, um shall we say, something else in the cutout's midsection. She really meant to point at the sign, and didn't realize how it looked until friends sent her the photo and we all laughed.

Geesh can't we all just lighten up. There are so many real problems that need to be addressed.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:22 PM
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20. um.... so how should Tailhook have been handled?
yeah... everyone thought it was a joke and that the women in question should "lighten up".

I know, it's a cutout and not the real person. But the next step is the real thing.

You know, the RW is plumbing the media for just this sort of thing to discredit Democrats and real sexism when it truly happens.

I think Favreau was being young and dumb but when you are on the President's team, there's no slack.

I'm not entirely convinced its harmful or harmless but I would say that it is breaching good judgment.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. You are comparing what happened at Tailhook to this picture?
Please refrain from the politically correct B.S. This picture is harmless. Lighten up.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:57 PM
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31. Good grief. This is not remotely like Tailhook.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:53 PM
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56. Come on, be honest.
You say: "I know, it's a cutout and not the real person. But the next step is the real thing."

But you don't really think that molesting a cutout of HRC is a stepping stone to molesting HRC.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
63. Wow! I'll bet you are a lot of fun to be around.
:crazy:
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:09 AM
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84. Frankly, I would have been really hurt by this picture
I would have felt degraded. You're right I would have been no fun.

How would you like your girlfriend, wife, or mother treated like this?

Remember when Cindy was told to strut her stuff at a rather raunchy affair? A lot of us didn't think this was so hot.

Favreau has got to work with Hillary in the future. He should have known that he would have to deal with her in the Senate or as it now stands as Secretary of State.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:53 AM
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85. You can't be serious. This is simply a couple of guys clowning around--nothing more, nothing less.
You really should loosen up a bit. If you do that, you will live longer.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Self Righteous very often? n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
68. There is a huge difference between a cardboard cutout and a person
The fact is the man has clearly been embarrassed by this and he apologized. The question may be what is behavior is normally around women. If there is a problem, then this is another indication of it and he should be called on it. From the one article on him I read, he sounds like a nice guy.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:07 AM
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76. MMmmmm.... I've known some people with whom it would be a tough call /nt
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #20
111. Oh, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
Some of you are such obnoxious drama queens.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
54. No kidding. People need to lighten up.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
188. You are absolutely right. Seems like folks just walk around waiting to be offended.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:16 PM
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15. The OP title is BS. Favreau is not "under fire" n/t
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. The OP found this over at Free Republic
and brought it over here to cause division, how nice.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. This is sludge's manufactured headline...
Could the OP be any more obvious?
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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. Well, he/she could've posted a flashing siren
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:17 PM
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16. What assholes
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM
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17. I wouldn't mind being that close to Hillary either. She is very huggable. :)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:23 PM
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21. Who gives a putrid SHIT?
Really. Slap the little boy's hand for being an indiscreet dufus and move on. Besides Hillary is smiling in the picture.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:37 PM
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23. Okay, that pic is funny. It has been taken out of context. Clearly.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:59 PM
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59. self-delete
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 08:10 PM by Vattel
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:37 PM
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24. Shocking! Absolutely shocking! Oh the humanity!
He should be shot for committing this ghastly crime! I am just shocked, shocked I tell ya! How will this young man ever live down this beastly offense against cardboard cutouts? After all, cardboard cutouts have rights too!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:39 PM
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25. Never trust anyone under 30.
;-)
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:41 PM
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26. Holy shit! They're trying to beerboard her!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:47 PM
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29. Dumb
But forgiveable.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:07 PM
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32. I may be wrong....
... but I don't think this is how Mystery says to do it.



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Sidney J Mussburger Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. I wonder if he kiss closed
I've been known to open a 4 set of Hillary cutouts in my day.
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nugzie Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #36
174. she does seem to be giving out
IOI's (indicators of interest)
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crazy homeless guy Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:08 PM
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33. Ummm.. That is my armpit. My boob is a little more to your left.

Guilty of armpit fetish.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:36 PM
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45. Yup. I guess the cardboard cutout wasn't uh, topologically correct. n/t
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:12 PM
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35. Outside of politics? Not a big deal.
Inside of politics? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:35 PM
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38. Who was the asshole with the camera that leaked the photo?
That's the question.

Ferchrissakes, people do all kinds of things to cutouts especially after a couple drinkies... sheesh...

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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:23 PM
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51. Agree. n/t
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:06 PM
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40. Very disrespectful. The fondling is particularly offensive and questionable.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:10 PM
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41. OMG!
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 04:10 PM by ProSense
Fondling cardboard?


:rofl:

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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:20 PM
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42. It's a fondling gesture. Your point?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #42
113. Some of you are so far off the deep end.....
its amazing.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:12 AM
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115. The fact that you're taking issue with MY comment says a lot about you. I never said he should be
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 11:21 AM by MetricSystem
fired or the media should make a big deal out of this. He apologized, Hillary accepted, end of story. HOWEVER, saying that I'm "off the deep end" simply because I find this picture distasteful and demeaning suggests to me you see nothing wrong with it at all. And that troubles me. I expect better from Dems.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #115
159. If being a dem means having to make mountains out of molehills
then I don't know if I can be a part of the crazy wing of the democratic party.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:09 PM
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49. It's cardboard. It's not like it's an actual person. nt
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:56 AM
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190. THE CHILDREN !!!! WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN!!!
The Saint Hillary has been defamed!

It is a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's post 30 threads about it and bitch and moan and then forget about it 2 days later....


What a waste of energy- you might as well just pray or something :rofl:
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:39 PM
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46. poor taste. bad judgment. out of politics: big shit. in politics: deadly.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:44 PM
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47. Only Vince Vaughn can get him out of this one.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:00 PM
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138. Vegas, Baby! n/t
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:10 PM
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50. Why should that be a newsworthy story? b/c it's silly?
I'm sure HRC HAS bigger fish to fry.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:24 PM
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52. The photo is stupid, but I am more interested by whom leaked this photo.
Hopefully, this asshole does not belong to Obama's team. For the rest, not exactly a groping, given where the hand is. Well, I guess it is a slow news day.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:50 PM
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67. Same here - it sounds like it was only briefly posted
and may well have come out only because he disclosed it. There is a huge difference between cardboard and the real person.
Favreau is an incredibly talented person and only about 5 or 6 years out of college.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:20 PM
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53. lulz
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:31 PM
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55. I could think of far more offensive uses of cardboard cutouts
If you saw the movie "Jesus Camp", you know what I mean.

If you haven't, just imagine the cardboard Hillary at PUMA camp, and it would be about the same thing.
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Agent William Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:53 PM
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57. Hey, I think I go to college with that guy...
Oh wait, never mind. False alarm!!
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:58 PM
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58. Oh geez. Groping cardboard does not count as groping.
Dumb.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:11 PM
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61. A drunk guy in his 20's was goofing around!!!! OMG!!!
:beer:
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM
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64. This picture was taken out of context.
It was a part of an Obama team sensitivity training session (OTSTS) on how not to treat members of Obama's national security team. The audio should have been included: "Is groping allowed? Right, not allowed. How about picking their noses with a beer bottle? I know, that's a tough one, but it's actually not allowed either."
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:27 PM
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65. You should spin for a living, you are pretty good at it.
:rofl: :rofl:

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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:31 PM
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66. Funny pic
Anybody who gets up-in-arms about this photo has serious problems and is no fun to be around.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:17 AM
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78. hahaha, bring back a similar pic with Michelle as subject and be prepared to have your words...
pressure fed you via Pyrex turkey baster :spray:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:02 PM
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69. Wow, he's hot
Unfortunate that this picture got out there but he's HOT!
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:17 PM
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70. Young guys acting silly at a party. I'm shocked.
Nobody was hurt, except maybe a few brain cells, and he apologized.

He shouldn't have done it, but everyone does something stupid from time to time that they regret later.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:28 PM
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72. Clinton and her spokesman defused it perfectly
pitch perfect, classy response.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:41 PM
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74. Well, at least if it were a real breast, he knows how to grab it.
Look at the pose of his hand. :evilgrin:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:01 AM
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75. "under the age of 30"? More like under the age of 17...
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:09 AM
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77. Action is hard to discern from a still picture

They were trying to take a picture standing with it, and a sudden breeze blew it over. The photographer snapped the picture just as those two guys were reacting to keep it from falling over. One of the guys was obviously in mid-swig of his beer when he turned to keep it from falling.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:01 AM
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79. Bah, big deal.
A couple of young guys having a few laughs.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:03 AM
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80. I thought this was an Onion piece, when I clicked on this thread.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:12 AM
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87. 'Nother question.
Why is Obama fixated on knowing every detail of his future democratic colleagues while reaching across the aisle to the republicans where one should probably expect much worse behavior and no loyalty?
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:12 AM
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90. Self-del-nt
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 09:09 AM by 4themind
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:15 AM
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102. del-nt
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 09:35 AM by 4themind
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:31 AM
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91. WOW!!!!!! n/t
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:37 AM
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92. I know...lets imagine reversed rolls. How would you react if Mark Penn
...did that to an Obama likeness and see if you would have the same reaction. And then, couple it with someone in the same camp calling him a monster and see what your reactions would be.

You guys seem to forgive Obama's camp alot of stuff you would likely not forgive anyone else.

Great: we get another frat-boy in the white house. At least this time the behavior is not from the president--just apparently condoned by him.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:47 AM
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96. There'd be a lot of raised eyebrows if Mark Penn was caught groping
an Obama cardboard cutout.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:40 AM
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93. When he "reached" out to Senator Clinton, what part was he aiming for?
Yes, yes, say the half-assed two second apology and pretend you have maturity and class.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:44 AM
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94. Yeah, not good.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 09:03 AM by Arkana
I swear, Facebook and Myspace is going to render my whole generation unemployable.

But folks my age are retarded and don't think of what could happen if they post stupid pictures of themselves on social networking sites. Considering that Hillary herself doesn't seem to take offense, I don't really know why it should affect Favreau's chances of being Obama's speechwriter.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:47 AM
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95. He didn't grope Clinton; he groped a piece of cardboard.
Fer chrissakes.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:56 AM
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97. Favreau proves that the Republican Party doesn't own the patent for sexist assholes
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 08:57 AM by mtnsnake
What a black eye this jerkoff is on our Party.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:00 AM
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98. It is not sexist to express desire for a woman. (n/t)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:08 AM
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100. Where the fuck did I say it was sexist to epress desire for a woman?
Nice try, Sherlock.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:13 AM
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101. what would be said here if the cutout was of Michelle and they did this?
it was ignorant and stupid. I don't see any humor in this at all.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:21 AM
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103. Great point. Just imagine if some asshole from the Clinton camp groped a cardbd cutout of Michelle
like that. This place would explode. The sexism/misogyny police would be all over it like flies on stink for months.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:13 AM
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116. Oh my! Mark Penn humping a Michelle cut-out? Shudders...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:12 AM
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173. Mark Penn humping ANYBODY................
:scared:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:30 AM
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120. "said"? As in 'words'? You mean after the roof blew off this joint? Dunno, but it would be...
very ugly to watch
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:30 AM
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121. duup
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 11:31 AM by bridgit
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:00 PM
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125. You really think he desires HRC?
That is close to the dumbest post in this thread full of dumb posts.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:45 PM
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157. if that is expressing desire, you must have a very limited understanding of desire. nt
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Billy Shears Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:38 AM
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114. actually, he's a brilliant speechwriter and will continue to be
it doesn't hurt that he has a sense of humor.
you might want to look into acquiring one. they make life so much more enjoyable.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:24 AM
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117. Hahahahahaha, so you're saying that's where Obama's been getting all his malleable, vacuous...
'god words'? :spray:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:35 AM
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123. well, it's a matter of taste
but, no matter how much his opponents tried to turn it into a bad thing, those "malleable, vacuous" words probably helped Obama's candidacy a lot.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:03 PM
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126. A "matter of taste"? Perhaps, but that's also why most people don't buy & large drink wheat grass...
juice. So you're more likely to find it positioned in with other products more palatable. I was never risen to the 'god words', so they did not effect me. I prefer my politicians on the earth where I live. Either does Obama's cabinet picks concern me unduly as threads here concern so many in that I'd seen their 2nd coming too. But none of that is what this thread is about, right? You do know that...

This OP concerns the continued, childish, 'focused on the unseemly things' disrespect for HRC that has passed for 'boys just being boys' inside the Obama camp. Now there's a pic of it, and that's pretty hard to deny. With the world in as serious a condition it's in it is imo a waste of time to lend reason to such behavior.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:41 PM
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160. um, whatever.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 04:43 PM by ErinBerin84
The point is, the "vacuous words" reached people and inspired them .. Just like Hillary's words touched people in other ways. Other people were turned off by Clinton or Obama's words. I'm not saying that either was better, but it really is a matter of taste.
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Billy Shears Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:06 PM
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128. you really should get over your bitterness and accept the next President
It must irk you to think that his words will go down in History while yours will all be forgotten.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:12 PM
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129. Get over your rank hypocracy and I quote, "it doesn't hurt that he has a sense of humor
"you might want to look into acquiring one. they make life so much more enjoyable" You need to seriously practice what you preach long before to start to think about preaching to others - what a jackass!

:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:45 PM
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150. Deleted message
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:41 PM
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149. LMAO!!
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:25 AM
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104. Aren't there any REAL issues for the Washington Post to be
writing about??

This article is obviously not something worthy of the Post.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:55 PM
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137. Expect this kind of drivel to permeate the media during Obama's term. nt
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:29 AM
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105. fucking stupid
but probably not worth getting fired over...this time.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:08 AM
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107. I liked when Obama says no lobbyists will work for him
he should do the same with frat boys.
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Hellataz Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:16 AM
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108. if this is the level of embarrassment that will come from his staffs vetting, Obama has no problems
This is no big deal, Obama is young enough himself to know this is not a big deal and I'm sure in the end Hilary will see past it as a joke.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:26 AM
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118. 'a transition official said that Favreau had "reached out to Senator Clinton to offer an apology."'
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:28 AM
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119. Perhaps he should keep his hands to himself at this point.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:31 AM
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122. My first thought about this pic was "How hard up can you get? It's cardboard!"
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 11:32 AM by polichick
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:56 AM
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124. Who cares? Bill did much worse with Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, etc.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 11:59 AM by ClarkUSA
The ones here getting all prissy about this amusing episode must be extremely appalled at Bill's serial
philandering which occurred at a far more advanced age than 27.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:05 PM
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127. Shhhhhh!
That is a private matter between a man, his wife, and his many girlfriends.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:13 PM
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130. And this was a "private" matter between this idiot and his cardboard cutout?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:37 PM
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133. What is DU all of a sudden? a Moral Majority MeetUp for Clinton Cardboard Cutouts?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:42 PM by ClarkUSA
:eyes:
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:37 PM
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147. Oh, no fire his sorry ass
That kid doesn't deserve the opportunity he's been given. He clearly lacks the judgment to hold any sort of important job in the upcoming Obama administration. Maybe he's a talented writer, but he's obviously not mature enough.

If you doubt that's sincerely how I feel, you can check upthread, where I wrote the same thing, several hours ago.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:35 PM
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154. Then Bill Clinton should've resigned after the truth re: Monica Lewinsky came out, eh?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 03:41 PM by ClarkUSA
I'm sure you wanted him to do that back then, what with your unyielding yardstick for lack of "judgement"
and maturity for the job, that is... :eyes:


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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:40 PM
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171. A Gore presidency would not have been that bad an outcome
An incumbent Gore would have won by a larger margin than he did in 2000, maybe even a cheat-proof margin. He would have then been eligible for re-election in 2004. Instead, his part in what had become a tarnished administration probably cost him the election. So, instead of 8 more years of Democratic control of the executive, we got 8 years of Bush, the Iraq War, and a global depression.

Not to mention Clinton's own repeated lies about "that woman," lies lots of us dutifully repeated, until such time as he realized that she saved the dress, at which point the whole thing became a purely private matter.

One of the things that is appealing about Obama is his comportment and dignity. As Obama's speechwriter, I'm sure this kid will get a good job somewhere, but I don't think it should be in this administration. I'm tired of drunken frat boys in the White House.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 07:23 AM
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175. The question is: did you & others demand Bill Clinton's resignation after the blue dress showed up?
If not, then this outrage over Favreau is hypocritical at best.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:08 AM
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176. Big difference
No, I didn't call for Clinton's resignation. We had no DU back then, and I had better things to do at the time. I would have been perfectly happy if he had resigned, however. At any rate, the critical difference here is that Bill Clinton was already president, and this kid is someone who is being considered for a job. There's a huge difference between someone who has been elected by millions and someone who is simply being considered for a job.

The sorts of jobs Favreau would be considered for are the ones that require political judgment. Bill Clinton was getting sex in the Oval Office, but he did it in private: at least he tried to keep his failings private, at least he knew how this would be perceived. Favreau posed for a picture with a cardboard cutout of his boss's primary rival, with whom he contested a bitter and acrimonious campaignm, during which one of the main charges leveled against Obama and his supporters by the Clinton camp was SEXISM. There's no way such a person should be allowed anywhere near the White House: he'd be a distraction, and there's too much chance for a similar drunken "youthful indiscretion" in the future.

We are up against people who will seize on any little thing to distract and redirect the attention of the nation. I don't want to have to spend time dealing with drunken buffoonery at a time when we need this nation to be united behind the agenda of our president.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:12 AM
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177. The difference is Bill Clinton's fuck-ups (no pun intended) had huge consequences down the road
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 08:25 AM by ClarkUSA
On the contrary, Favreau's silly behavior has zero consequences and he'll stay on for a long and illustrous career with Team O and
beyond, despite what hypocritical handwringers like you have to say. Your tortured rationalizations for Bill's "private" adulterous
blowjobs as somehow being evidence of better judgment than Favreau "public" goofing on a piece of cardboard is nothing short of
Hillaryous and proves what a totally fatuous piece of Clintonian bullshitting your position is!

:rofl:
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:21 PM
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181. First off, there's nothing Clintonian about me
Didn't I just write that I would have been happy if Clinton had resigned? President Gore, eight years of Democratic control of the White House, rather than Bush? I've been accused quite often of every kind of vice by Clinton supporters because I have argued, many times, that Bill Clinton squandered a tremendous opportunity just because he couldn't keep it in his pants.

I'm an Obama supporter, and I worked my ass off volunteering for Obama in the primary and the general election, and I'm proud that my state put him over the top in the primary. You just seem to think that just because I think someone who is drunken and irresponsible should not be entrusted with a position of great responsibility I must be a Clinton supporter, which I never have been, except when Bill Clinton was our nominee. I supported Jackson in 1992.

Rationalization? Read the bit upthread about "Shhhh! That's a private matter between a man, his wife, and his many girlfriends." I cannot imagine how that's an effort to excuse Clinton's affairs as "a private matter." I'm not hypocritical. I've got drunken behavior in my past that makes Christopher Hitchens look like an Mormon, but I'm not applying for any jobs in the West Wing, either. It's not hand-wringing. Favreau has been entrusted with a great opportunity, and he risks it all because of immaturity. It is exactly because I don't want any distractions such as this, and such as that Bill Clinton seemed to be so prone, that I think Obama should look for someone who does not make politically embarrassing mistakes when drunk.

I'll restate it again: part of what is appealing about Obama is that he has dignity, and his administration will represent a return of power into the hands of adults. Not the entitled little boy-man Bush, or the rutting Clinton, or even someone such as Favreau who acts like it's rush week. What we need in this administration are adults, folks who have some gravitas, who know that it's OK to get a little wobbly on your barstool, so long as you don't drive drunk, or get caught posing for embarrassing photos, or do anything that is going to detract from the agenda the Obama administration is going to pursue.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #124
132. Oh no you didn't!
:spank:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. Heh
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:40 PM by ClarkUSA
I couldn't help but note the amusing hypocrisy of it all. ;)
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #124
141. uh, yeah, and Bill payed the price for it, over and over again
or are you trying to suggest that Bill was let off the hook for it and thus we should allow someone with a lesser offense the same amnesty?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #141
144. What price has he paid with the DUers who condemn Favreau now? None.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 02:15 PM by ClarkUSA
Get off your friggin' high horse. :eyes:

What "lesser offense" did Favreau commit? Compared to Bill's serial dicking around on Hillary in and out of the White House,
past and present (have you heard of Ron Burkle's Air Fuck One? if you haven't, Google it), you must mean "miniscule, faux
outrage-level offense," the kind some Clintonians are good at generating without comprehending how Hillaryously
hypocritical they sound.

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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #144
145. DUers? Howabout being impeached by the US House of Representatives?
and getting ridiculed by the media for years? My point is that, despite any handful of DUer who defend him, Bill Clinton did indeed pay for his actions, many many times.

The way I understood your post was that Bill Clinton "got away" with his behavior, and thus none of his supporters should criticize anyone else. If that was a misinterpretation, then sorry. If not, then I'm not. No need to get upset.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #145
152. Yes, I was speaking of some DUers' amusing hypocrisy of condemning Favreau while excusing Bill.
Stop trying to make Bill a victim because I don't feel one bit sorry for him playing with fire and getting burnt.
Specifically, I am speaking of the Favreau outrage here at DU and how hypocritical it is for those who excuse
Bill's shameless lying/adultery/lying about philandering while getting all huffy about a single guy goofing on
a piece of cardboard. You obviously don't/can't speak to that because you keep wanting to make this a pity
play/ploy about poor ol' Bill.


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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #152
155. wrong
I was only responding in a way that was appropriate to my interpretation of your post. It has nothing to with, as you say, me "wanting to make this a pity play...". That is all. Thanks.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #155
156. lol
:nopity:
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #152
172. You're right
If Clinton was wrong, this kid is wrong, too. Less wrong, though, but he's certainly demonstrated a lack of political discernment.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:16 PM
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131. rec 5
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:41 PM
Response to Original message
135. yes I can!
hill baby
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:42 PM
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136. hah I thought it was pretty funny... people need to lighten up
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:43 PM by adoraz
false outrage.

Not saying everyone needs to find this humorous, just that people shouldn't be offended by something like this.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #136
139. Really?
Have a cardboard cutout of Obama in chains and see the reaction. Or better yet, have someone call him a nigger, and see the reaction.

It's not funny getting a woman drunk and groping her, which is what is implied with the cardboard cutout.

zalinda
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #139
161. .....
:popcorn:
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #139
184. NO, not the same thing
This does not need to turn into a "sexism" charge, which seems to be the outcry.

It should be compared to 1 girl pouring beer into Obama's mouth and another grabbing his junk. If I saw that, I would chuckle as well, just because I would know the people were drunk and acting stupid. It isn't anything that should get the guy fired, or something people should be so offended by.

In your post, you are implying that they called Hillary a cunt..... with a cut out of her chained to a bed. It makes zero sense.

WTF is up with half the people on DU turning everything into sexism?

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:13 PM
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140. Isn't it odd that the press is more interested in a silly, juvenile stunt than they were
the case for war?

I've gotta say, I.COULDN'T.CARE.LESS.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:35 PM
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142. He should be fired for his stupidity
Not for the "groping" but for posting this on the web when, as you poined out, the White House does not want any embarrassing photos.

And this will be the only way he can learn a lesson.
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MiddleRiverRefugee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:36 PM
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143. What's the difference between this and Saxby Chambliss' 'Big Daddy' moment?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #143
168. One involves a real live very underage girl. The other has no victim. (nt)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
146. Only on DU.
:rofl:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:47 PM
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151. What would happen if a female speechwriter for Clinton was photographed
groping the crotch of an Obama cardboard cutout at a party and it turned up on facebook?

Just asking. Something to think about. (putting on flameproof suit now)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #151
153. imo she would look just as pathetic...
One thing that is a little disturbing about this is the way it gives the impression of two guys abusing her ~ creepy.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #151
158. what would happen if a male speechwriter for clinton did this to a picture of michelle obama?
that is a closer analogy, i bet this forum would all be up in an outrage
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #158
166. Only an idiot would be outraged by that.
Seriously, only an idiot would be outrage at a leaked photo of a male Clinton staffer planting a wet kiss on a cardboard image of Michelle Obama.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #151
165. And what would happen if
Hillary's Campaign Manager bragged about owning a Hillary nutcracker?

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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:10 PM
Response to Original message
163. Wow
Some of these post seem like they are coming from nuns or man haters. These are young guys having fun.

I will say that I am probably the only one in my circle who does not have a Myspace/Facebook account. I get hella crazy and I don't need people seeing my debauchery.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #163
164. "Man haters"-- OMFG
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #164
167. No fuckin' kidding. Those of us who don't like
mistreatment of women are apparently man haters. Who knew?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #167
169. mistreatment of cardboard.
unless there are some other set of facts that go with this idiocy.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:05 PM
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170. Puleeze. You cannot be that obtuse.
This scenario was designed to embarrass. The beer down the throat, the groping.

Open your eyes. The fact that they didn't actually grope Hillary Clinton means shit. The intention was to create a provocative photo and they succeeded.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #170
180. mistreatment of cardboard.
You are getting all worked up over the mistreatment of cardboard. It reminds me of the people who have apoplectic fits over flag burning.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #170
187. Yes, I'm sure they were plotting evil sexist schemes at a drunken house party.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #167
185. LOL! is this a joke post?
mistreatment of women? WTF?
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Stump Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:20 AM
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178. It's a fucking party....
big deal...moving right along...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:24 AM
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179. This is why I never get drunk around cardboard cutouts
nothing good can come of it.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:36 PM
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182. Some people just need to find a life!
Like who cares about the silly photo?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:29 PM
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183. THIS IS HUGH!!!1111 I'M SERIES!!1111!!!!!!
:eyes:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 09:41 PM
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186. I don't see anything wrong here.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #186
189. The fact that you don't is precisely the problem.
:shrug:
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #186
191. Like I said I'm just happy to have young people involved in Obama's administration this way
i of course think it's wrong what he did, but he apologized, and it was accepted. I don't think he should lose his job for this stupidity.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #191
192. Your Intentions Are Pure I Am Sure
Dr. Seuss would get a kick out of your shit.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:42 AM
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193. How inspiring to know that the guy behind Obama's beautiful speeches...
...is a drunken fool. Woohoo!


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