I congratulate HRC on her nomination for Sec. of State.

[Ken Burch]

Like virtually all Obama supporters, I never HATED HRC. I just disagreed with her sincerely on the Iraq War and on her views on Iran. This was never equivalent to hatred.

I hope she's confirmed and that she plays a positive, pro-peace role in the Administration.

Why are some HRC supporters, when none of them has any reason to feel anything but happiness this morning, using the occasion of this announcement to attack Obama supporters and stir up the guano?

C'mon, folks, you can't STILL be pretending that Obama had no right to be nominated, can you? What part of "he won in a landslide" do you still have a problem with?

There's no good reason for the spite from HRC supporters today. You should just be celebrating.

[RichGirl]

1. Perfect person for the job!!

I love Hillary!

[Maven]

2. You had me until you insinuated that the vitriol was coming exclusively from Hillary's admirers

I'm using the word "admirers" because there are no more Hillary or Obama "supporters," since the primaries are over, although many of her detractors don't seem to realize it.

[Ken Burch]

4. Most Obama supporters(and I still think we should use that word

because these people are still politicians in a democratic system and not elected royalty)have basically accepted HRC's nomination. Those who didn't were and are acting out of differences on policy, not "hatred".

Nobody wants HRC to be killed or anything. Nobody in the Democratic party ever did. I always found the "hate" meme to be unjustified.

If there are Obama people starting threads to stir things up today(and I haven't seen all the threads)they should cut the crap too, of course. No argument from me on that.

But it is clearly unfair to dismiss any and all opposition to HRC as "hate".

[Maven]

5. While some criticism is just that, much of the negativity toward Hillary is unsubstantiated hate

And by the way, I consider myself an "Obama supporter" today even though I supported Hillary during the primaries.

It is insulting to continue to refer to "Obama supporters" as though his original primary backers still lay exclusive claim to his victory.

Hillary herself is an Obama supporter.

[Ken Burch]

7. I used the term because the natural assumption was that it was those

who backed Obama over HRC in the primaries who are the ones fomenting "hatred" now.

And(while I don't really think we need to belabor the point) to my mind using the term "supporters" simply acknowledges that this was and is democratic process. Democratically elected politicians have "supporters"...Rock stars and the ludicrous remnants of the deposed European royal families have "admirers". The term "admirer" is not a term rooted, as I see it anyway, in an egalitarian and democratic sensibility. It implies that the one who "admires" does so from a position of subservience and inferiority. "Supporter" implies a person who prefers a particular person or party and works for that person or party, but does so from a basic position of equality".

Anyway, that's my take on that particular semantic point.

[atimetocome]

19. We need to get rid of those labels. they do nothing but divide.

[Marrah_G]

3. Ken

It is a reflex action from many here. After months and months of an enormous amount of bashing, daily, hourly....many of us still being called PUMAS as close as a couple weeks ago...you can understand why some might take the minute to yell "IN YOUR FACE ASSHOLES"

While it may not be the right thing to do in polite society, I can easily understand why. I want to do it myself to be honest.

But then I am remembering that those I am most angry with are not democrats, are not liberals. They are not the majority of DU. They are simply small minded easily amused people who get off on stirring up trouble on web pages. They thrive on drama. They enjoy making others angry and uncomfortable.

Hopefully now that she is a member of his cabinet then these people will finally be made to STOP. Which is what we really want. For them to just STOP.

[mkultra]

6. BUT THE LANDSLIDE WENT BACK UP THE MOUNTAIN

and came down the other side BOOYAAA!!!!.

game set and match Hillary. That lady has class and style and she never quites.


Games over!

[Ken Burch]

8. self-delete

Original message removed by poster upon receipt of information regarding the actual intentions of the poster I was responding to.

[Balderdash]

9. i'm pretty sure that the "vengeful tone" isn't directed

at Obama, it's likely directed at the Hillary bashers. And no, I don't need a lecture on turning the other cheek or any bs like that. There are some here who are now reaping what they've sown and I couldn't be happier. :D

[mkultra]

10. Well, i wont say who lost but i can easily say the HILLARY WON!

thats right! Like a dark horse riding in from the night, shrouded in a dark cape of Honesty, clad in the armor of rightness and goodness, wielding the sword of justice trimmed in small brass pieces of equality and mildly be gemmed in small precious stones of feminism, she comes flooding back.

She is like a torrent of decency and victory, a deluge of might and the legendary embodiment of skills of legend. She is both the immovable object and the unstoppable force.

Chuck Norris's tears may cure cancer, but a single angry stare from Hillary will CAUSE cancer and her loving gentle touch then immediately cures it before any permanent damage is done.

Obama opened Pandora's box and now it will be renamed to Hillary's box.

[Ken Burch]

12. self-delete

Original message removed by poster upon receipt of information as to the other poster's actual intentions.

[mkultra]

17. self-delete

Original message removed by poster due to other poster admitting he was wrong.


Removed forgiveness part due to "miscommunication"!

[Ken Burch]

18. No forgiveness was begged.

I simply realized what you were up to.

Give it a rest.

[mkultra]

20. sorry, i "corrected" my post.

[karynnj]

22. This is way over the top

[Maven]

11. The person you're speaking to is role-playing

pretending to be a Hillary supporter while acting over the top and making outrageous claims as an indirect attack on those who support Hillary.

Edit: See the post above mine. :eyes:

[Ken Burch]

13. I've removed my original messages after reading your post, Harvey.

Thanks for the info. I supposed I should've guessed that.

[mkultra]

14. yes, just ignore him, i will do the same.

[bdamomma]

15. one thing I pity her getting a report from Condi that is for sure.

[applegrove]

16. She'll do really well.

[951-Riverside]

21. I don't.

Hillary and Bill were vicious during the campaign, Bill called Obama's campaign a "fairytale", she talked about the possibility of assassination, she outright lied about her experience in Kosovo and absolutely refused to drop out even when she obviously lost. She also contributed to alienating a sizable chunk of the democratic party and I believe if McCain didn't pick Sarah Palin, he would have gained the support of her followers and ultimately won the election.

I don't know why Obama would pick someone who represents old style politics when the basis of his campaign was Change. I voted for him because I am tired of the same old Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton politics that has brought this country to its knees.