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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:43 PM
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If you were building a house would you want experienced workers
or workers who had never built a house before?

Even if your house had a radical and innovative design that had never been attempted before, wouldn't you still want the best, most experienced carpenters, electrician, plumbers, etc. to be the ones building it? Wouldn't that ensure that your innovative, radical design had the best chance of succeeding?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:47 PM
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1. A mixture of both; the trained to help train entry level people.
Otherwise, how the hell do people get training?

Can't have the whole crew composed of twaddle and you can't have the polar opposite either.

Sorry to give you the wrong response.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:48 PM
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2. experienced people who can carry out the blueprint I selected nt
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 06:03 PM
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29. Thanks! nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:48 PM
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3. Yep
Absolutely.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:53 PM
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4. It would depend on whether I was building it for me to live in or some gullible schmuck...
...who knows bupkiss about building.

This is assuming I'm a conservative Republican real estate developer, of course.

responsively,
Bright
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:56 PM
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5. I thought Obama's response to the question of "Change" with respect to his appointments
was excellent ~ "The change will come from me"

That satisfies the concerns of this devout liberal for the time being. Of course as always, the proof will be in the pudding, but I respect his response.
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:00 PM
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6. Depends on the situation
If I was interested in building a house, because my last house fell apart due to corner-cutting crap work geared toward the profit of the builders and not toward the stability and dependability of my house, I probably wouldn't hire the people experienced at building that last house.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:06 PM
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7. OMG - you're comparing a brain trust ot building a house?
Honestly, it's not the same thing at all.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:25 PM
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10. Why not?
The OPer's analogy is fine. There's nothing like experience.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:18 PM
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14. Depends on what the record of their experience is
For example, the OP's analogy mentioned plumbers. Would you want Samuel Joe Weaselfucker (unlicensed plumber and Repuke skinhead tool) working in your house?
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:00 PM
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24. I hardly think developing new ideas for the direction of this country
is like building a house.

Sorry.

I get where the OP was going, but it really isn't on par.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:12 PM
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8. Experience is no guarantee of quality. A big housing tract
near me was built by one of the biggest names in the business, and the windows in every home had to be replaced because of a combination of cheap materials and crappy installation.

However, I'll reserve judgment on how well Obama's experienced team performs until they've had a chance to get to work.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:26 PM
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11. You're confusing experience with shoddy worksmanship
The people Obama seems to be choosing are experienced veterans who have gotten the job done.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:21 PM
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9. Not me. I'd surround myself with Rightwing zealots. nt
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 01:21 PM by Romulox
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:27 PM
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12. If I were building a house...
I wouldn't want a contractor who ran up a $20 million dollar bill after the house was already finished, and was known for bouncing checks.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:30 PM
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15. wrong
ran up a 20 million$ debt on a house they didnt win the bid on is a more apt analogy
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:15 PM
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13. what I would want
I would look for people who were committed to building houses, not burning them down, no matter how competent or experienced they were.

"Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by, its own undoubted friends -- those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work -- who do care for the result. Two years ago we mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong. We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us. Of strange, discordant, and even hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud and pampered enemy. Did we brave all then, to falter now? - now, when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent? The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail - if we stand firm, we shall not fail. Wise counsels may accelerate, or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later, the victory is sure to come."

Abraham Lincoln
"House Divided" Speech
Springfield, Illinois, June 16, 1858
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:32 PM
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16. Better analogy: If you were opening a jewelry store...
would you bring in experienced jewel thieves to run it?
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:48 PM
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18. LOL
much more suitable analogy
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:52 PM
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19. Thank you. It's amazing to think that some advocate hiring the doctors who applied the forceps
at the birth of the current economic calamity.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:53 PM
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20. more like an abortion of the economy
fun with analogy ;)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:02 PM
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21. Why do you hate America? Why?? n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:27 PM
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22. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:03 PM
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25. Businesses routinely hire ex-criminals to check security,
be it physical or network.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:45 PM
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27. Those criminals admit to being criminals and have presumably gone clean.
The criminals who engineered the catastrophe in which we are now mired have repented of nothing.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:46 PM
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17. look, there a million ways to be experienced...selling out the economy under Clinton and Bush is ONE
there are many brilliant, accomplished people who have worked in academia, NGOS, and the private sector who understand political workings and have visionary, progressive ideas. Obama seems to be conflating "won't interrupt status quo" with "experience". Unfortunately, they are not being tapped. William Greider comes to mind.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:56 PM
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23. a mixture of both - and certainly no one who built a crappy f***ing house
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 04:10 PM
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26. I would want qualified workers. If all of the experienced workers had a
history of building homes with foundations that later crumbled, why in the world would I want to hire them?
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 05:19 PM
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28. Both - example, we went on a balloon ride Sunday
4 people in the basket. Hubs, myself, an experienced pilot, and a trainee getting some pilot time.

We did a couple of touch and goes, had a great time, and the trainee got some flight time under his belt. Had a tricky landing, and he knew when to ask for help, and also when he was not ready for something.

It is never a bad thing when people teach each other, and learn from each other. When people trust and rely on each other, learn each others strengths and weaknesses and work as a group for the good of ANYTHING, it is a win win situation for all.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 06:07 PM
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30. Yes, but I also would want them to build in an environmental way. This would
eliminate many architects and contractors who still build like it's okay to destroy every habitat in their way and who rely on electricity alone for climate control instead of taking into consideration natural ways of climate control before air conditioning or heating are needed. I want builders who have learned from the mistakes of previous builders.
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