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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:16 PM
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Will Washington change Obama? Or will Obama change Washington?
What change will happen? The "Change We Need?"
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:17 PM
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1. We'll find out
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:19 PM
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2. Depends on
his supporters.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:20 PM
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3. Obama hasn't much changed yet,
so I'm not sure why, while being in charge, he would "change" now.


2004 Statement:

I do think a broader question remains on the table. What is the best strategy for building majority support for a progressive agenda, and for reversing the rightward drift of this country?

One important part of that strategy - and on this I think we agree - is for progressives within the Democratic Party to describe our core values (e.g. racial justice, civil liberties, opportunity for the many, and not just the few) in clear, unambiguous terms.

A second part of that strategy - and again, I think we agree here - is to stake out clear positions on issues that put those values into action (e.g. the need for universal health care), and to stand up for those values when they are under assault (e.g. opposition to the Patriot Act).

But the third part of this part of the equation – and on this we may disagree – must be to gain converts to our positions. My job, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, isn’t to scold people for their lack of ideological purity. It’s to persuade as many people as I can, across the ideological spectrum, that my vision of the future is compatible with their values, and can make their lives a little bit better. Thus, while I may favor common-sense gun control laws, that doesn’t keep me from reaching out to NRA members who are worried about their lack of health insurance. I favor affirmative action, but I’m still going after the votes of white union members who oppose affirmative action, because I think I can convince them that it’s Bush’s economic agenda, and not affirmative action, that is eroding their job security and stagnating their wages. And while I may object to the misogyny and materialism of much of rap culture, I’m still going to spend the time reaching out to a hip-hop generation in search of a future.

In other words, I believe that politics in any democracy is a game of addition, not subtraction. And I believe deeply enough in the decency of the American people to think that progressives can build a winning majority in this country, so long as we’re not afraid to speak the truth, and so long as we don’t write off big chunks of the electorate just because they don’t agree with us on every issue.

All of which explains why I’m not likely to launch blanket denunciations of the DLC or any other faction within the Democratic Party. I intend to engage DLC members, just like I intend to engage everybody else that I can during the next year of campaigning, in a conversation about the direction our country needs to take to give ordinary working families a fair shake. In some instances, I may even agree with DLC positions: their insistence on the value of national service, or the need to harden domestic targets like chemical plants from potential terrorist attack, to cite a few examples I just pulled from the DLC web-site, make sense to me. Where I disagree with them – and, as we have already discussed, I disagree with them strongly on a lot of major issues - I intend to let them know, firmly and without equivocation, just why I think they are wrong.

To some, this approach may appear naïve; to others, it may appear that I’m headed down a path of dangerous compromise. All I can tell you is that in my twenty years as an organizer, civil rights lawyer, and state senator, I’ve always trusted my moral compass, and have thus far avoided compromising my core values for the sake of ambition or expedience. Hopefully, by listening to the people I seek to serve, and with the occasional jab from friendly critics like The Black Commentator, I can stay on that course, and ultimately do some good as the next U.S. Senator from the state of Illinois.

Sincerely,

State Senator Barack Obama

Candidate for the U.S. Senate
http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:55 PM
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8. great find, FC...
thanks for sharing...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:18 PM
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9. Obama's right on track and those
Democrats who are freaking out at this point in time need this, Again.

Excellent statement from Obama in 2004..thank you, Frenchie.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:21 PM
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4. I hope (and, truly believe) Obama's following will keep him on the right track.
He may be influenced somewhat from the poison of Washington, but if we stay with him, and he sees how his ideas will be accepted, he'll stay on the high road. He's done it so far. Let's help him to continue. After all, he asks for our opinions, so you can't say you don't have a voice.

We also need to understand we aren't going to get everything he promised. Bless his heart, he's trying. Give him room to work.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 02:01 PM
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5. Yes, yes, hopefully, hopefully (nt)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:32 PM
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6. Both.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:41 PM
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7. It already looks like Washington has gotten to him.
I predict Obama is going to be full of excuses as to why he can't live up to the promises he made during the campaign and he is going to be expected to convience us that we should all just go along with him. Frankly, I think I have had enough of a glimspe of him through his recent actions to know what he is really about.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:43 PM
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10. He hasn't even been sworn in yet!
Should we not give him a little leeway and at least wait until he actually starts his job before declaring him another George Bush? I mean, he's not even been president-elect for a full month yet! I know after 8 long years of Bush we are all dying for some major change but I do think we all need to have just a little patience too!


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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:22 PM
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14. I don't have to wait for the swearing in to know I don't like what I see.
I regret my vote and I don't need time to figure that out.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:13 PM
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11. I recall Obama talking about the old business as usual Washington crowd during the primary when...
distinguishing himself from Clinton and calling for change. Anyone else remember that?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:24 PM
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16. Yes, and now he has made sure that the Clinton crowd is front and center.
I wanted changed from what the Clinton's believed and said and now we are going back to the future. Do I dare say this looks like Clinton's third term.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:13 PM
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12. Obama has already changed Washington.
More to come.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:24 PM
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17. What? Clinton changes we can believe in. n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:09 PM
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13. the overwhelming literature says the former, just look at Cardoso in Brazil, for starters
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:24 PM
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15. I think Washington changes all politicians
In one way or another. It has already changed Obama.

It's too soon, however, to predict anything, good or bad.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:28 PM
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18. Both
Next question?
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