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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:18 AM
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Joe Conason: Get over it, Clinton haters

Get over it, Clinton haters

Obama's choice of rival Hillary Clinton for secretary of state shows his political wisdom. And the vetting suggests the Clintons -- surprise! -- have little to hide.

By Joe Conason

Nov. 22, 2008

For a broad array of editorialists, pundits and kibitzers, as well as anybody else still obsessed with old resentments against the Clintons, the weeks since Election Day have inflicted a profound sensation of cognitive dissonance, as Barack Obama kept naming the friends and allies of his former rival to run his transition and his government. Now with reports that Hillary Rodham Clinton will indeed be appointed secretary of state, those feelings may even induce a stroke here or there.

Wasn't Obama the One who would exorcise the Clintonite demons from our midst and cleanse the capital of their sins?

Whatever the merits of any of the president-elect's particular personnel choices, he has hardly betrayed the faith of his supporters -- and in fact has displayed the very character and maturity that they always attributed to him. To say the least, he has showed that he cannot be swayed from exercising his own judgment by the petty backbiting of Washington at its worst.

During the process that led up to this moment, Obama no doubt understood that he would be courting disappointment or worse among those whose measure of him depended on his supposed distance from the Clintons. Having encouraged those assumptions as a matter of political necessity, he must have realized within days of his election that if he made selections based on merit, he would inevitably recruit many of the best and brightest of the last Democratic administration.

In the appointment of Hillary Clinton, he has proved as well that he is a supple thinker, capable of changing his views according to experience. To elevate the junior senator from New York into his Cabinet, Obama had to set aside the criticisms of her that he and his surrogates had voiced during the campaign.

If her experience in national security and foreign policy were as shallow as advertised back then, after all, on what basis could he offer her the position of top diplomat? If her judgment were as poor as charged by him and others over the past two years, then why would he place such heavy responsibilities on her shoulders? If her honesty were as questionable as his campaign sometimes claimed, then how can he trust her now?

The answer is not necessarily that his campaign rhetoric was false or insincere, but that he developed respect for her over the difficult months of that harsh contest -- and came to believe that she would be as formidable at his side as she was in his face.

The same contrast between then and now applies to Clinton as well, of course. To be willing to sacrifice her Senate seat -- and an apparent offer to join the Democratic leadership -- she must have come to a very different view of Obama's potential than the skepticism expressed by her and her supporters in the heat of the primary. In accepting this appointment, she will fully endorse his fitness to lead and the soundness of his worldview, without reservation. That acknowledgment goes far beyond the speeches of the general election campaign, which she delivered over and over on his behalf.

Whether Obama's appointments make sense can only be judged when those he has chosen have an opportunity to perform -- a caveat that applies to Clinton along with all the others, from Rahm Emanuel as White House chief of staff to Eric Holder as attorney general. But it should now be clear that the president-elect does not share the jaundiced view of the Clinton administration -- or the Clintons -- held so insistently by some of his own supporters.

For one thing, it should be plain that the exhaustive "vetting" process brought to bear on Bill and Hillary Clinton, and especially on his foundation and his business dealings, must have revealed nothing of grave concern to the Obama transition officials assigned to examine him. If it is true, as reported, that he will no longer accept certain speaking engagements that might pose an appearance of conflict with his wife's position, that would be appropriate. It is equally likely, however, that the good work of his foundation will continue, since the Obama administration could scarcely wish to deprive a million or more impoverished people of the medicine and care that the former president has brought to them.

It will be interesting to see whether those who have raised the darkest suspicions about the former president will accept the benign assessment conferred on him by Obama.

Then again, perhaps this momentous transition will offer a chance to reopen the discussion of various canards about the Clinton years. Insinuations abound, as always, in such matters as the Holder nomination and his role in the pardon of Marc Rich, to take one example. But has anybody noticed that almost eight years later, the infamous financier has yet to set foot in the United States -- or to ask why? When Holder's name comes up for confirmation in the Senate, will anyone examine the real reasons that Clinton gave clemency to Rich -- and who asked him to do so? We shall see.

Meanwhile, the president-elect in his wisdom has repudiated the Clinton-bashing mythology of the '90s. Perhaps that is what he meant when he promised to say goodbye to all the partisan poison of the past.

-- By Joe Conason


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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:19 AM
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1. yawn
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:21 AM
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4. Just love an open mind! How Republican of you!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:02 AM
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12. Is it "open-minded" of Conason to ASSume that people who oppose
Hillary's appointment are "Hillary-haters?" No it is not, it is instead intellectual dishonesty. And I'm very dissapointed in Joe. He usually has more class than this.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:28 PM
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20. The loudest ones on DU are haters
A core of them tried to destroy the DU last winter and spring with their hate and bigotry and many of the same players are trying to do it again. They long ago crossed over the threshhold of rationality into obsession, and it has been like watching a public descent into madness. I very much enjoy watching them agonize over Obama's choice for SOS because their agony is totally irrational and of their own doing.

I trust Obama. Funny that those who thought they were his most loyal supporters during the primaries do not. Obsession does that to a persons rational thinking. Hate and anger has poisoned their integrity.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:30 PM
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22. You hit the nail on the head nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:38 PM
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28. Yeah, you are correct.
It's always the same people who spew the most virulent hateful remarks. I'm thinking of one in particular who must be obsessed with Hillary and this SOS issue because she has opened thread after thread about it. What's the point? Who knows? Maybe to stir more crap than there already is on this board.

Personally, I would prefer that Hillary remain in the senate where she's her own independent self and doesn't have to serve at the pleasure of anyone other than her constituency. But, it's her decision to make.

:(
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:40 PM
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29. Yes, they were called PUMAs
and most were TSd and it's been a much nicer place since.

However, they keep coming back here under new but just as divisive identities.

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:22 PM
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37. Many of the POOMAS are still here, alas, and they are trying to ruin DU
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:28 PM
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39. And what are POOMAS prey tell?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:31 PM
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40. There is no way to miss them
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:33 PM
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42. well...
define one for me. let's start with the acronym what does P.O.O.M.A stand for?

And then after breaking down the acronym, why dont you tell me what a POOMA believes?


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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. Fa La La La Laaaaaaaaaaaaa La La La La
Isn't it funny to see the term "cognitive dissonance" applied to a group of alleged Democrats?


Ahhh, but they were such useful idiots.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:12 PM
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59. You are so right!
It's strange now that Hillary supporters are defending Obama, and some of his most ardent supporters are all bashing him............

The word "change" seems to mean different things to different people, why am I not surprised people are angry.

"Change" to me means a change in policy, and that we will definitely have, beyond that....is yet to be decided..............
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #20
75. "bigotry"
:rofl:

Nominated for stupidest post of the day!

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:24 AM
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76. seconded
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 02:02 AM
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80. Yep. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #12
47. I like Joe Conason, but this kind of brow-beating is the lamest form of persuasion/herding.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 02:52 PM by AtomicKitten
The OP is Joe's opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Those that agree will dance in the streets, others that don't care will shrug their shoulders, and those that disagree can use his piece to line their bird cage.

The Clintons are colorful people providing lots of material to discuss, and accusations of hating them are intended to stymie discussion. It's just a manipulative ploy.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:48 PM
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49. I don't think he said everyone was a Clinton hater.......
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 02:50 PM by springhill
but there are many, as many of the posts on this board can attest to. They throw up the same old charges and insinuations that have been disproven over and over again. Even now, they question Bill Clinton's charity work. Just goes to show you that the eight years of constant Clinton bashing and lying gets to even the progressives. They start believing it if it's repeated often enough.

Oh, and by the way, Conasons has nothing to do with the headline of the story. He writes the story, then it is given a title by someones else.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:49 PM
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50. Conason also never noticed anything wrong in deep-sixing BCCI matters, either.
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 02:57 PM by blm
And Mena was NOT used to run all Poppy Bush's cheap IranContra cocaine, so stop saying that.

He invested himself so deeply in defending the Clintons for all the real wrong done to them by the RW that he can't stop his knee from jerking when the truth about them pops up.

Clinton clean because he revealed SOME of his donors to his Foundation? That was a DIVERSIONARY offer. One that if Bush made it would have Conason and everyone on this board dismissing it as a gimmick for media whores.

Gee - Dubai paid Poppy's favorite son 20 MILLION dollars for pushing the Ports Deal....that sound nice and clean to Conason?

Ever read an article Joe wrote disappointed that Bill Clinton supported and vigorously defended Bush PUBLICLY throughout his summer2004 book tour? Or did he miss that tour de force performance?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:50 PM
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51. yeah. Any contrary opinion, even based on fact is hating. I think I'm
in Junior High again.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:52 PM
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52. Let 's give him feedback, Kahuna..
http://www.joeconason.com/feedback

It's totally weird of him and anyone who continues to beat the "Hillary Haters" drumbeat..do they really want to go there?

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:07 PM
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15. How republican of you to drop by stirring up trouble n/t
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:34 PM
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25. Weak comeback! nt
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:37 PM
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27. As weak as yours...
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

I get the sense that you've been here before...are you hungry?

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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
55. Increasingly lame. Next time try now to just repeat what I say. nt
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:30 PM
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56. You're still here? That's shocking.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:21 PM
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17. Exactly nt
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:37 AM
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2. Good one!
I truly believe that the team Obama is putting together is going to make history as the best of all time--and not a moment too soon, 'cause goodness knows we need it.

K&R
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:13 AM
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3. Oh, well, if Conason says so..... (sarcasm. Who is Conasan?)
I hasten to add that I'm not against Hillary being SOS. It could work. I think she is a team player.

But who the hell is Conasan, and why should anyone listen to HIM?
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Who are you?
Why should anyone listen to you?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Am I telling YOU to shut up? No. So your comment makes no sense. Go back under your rock.
nt
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:33 PM
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24. Actually you are!
By telling someone to go back under their rock, you are telling them to shut up.

My opinion or Joe Conosan's have as much right to be heard as yours.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:22 AM
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6. Conason is one of the greats - he's been debunking right wing bullshit for 15 years.
He's a must read. Particularly his work on all of the Clinton "scandals" of the 90s.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:23 AM
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8. Joe Conasan is an astute political writer smart politicos appreciate.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:43 AM
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10. He's one of the better political writers on our side of the aisle.
I'm a bit surprised that you've never heard of him. His articles show up on DU just about every week.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
32. Beat me to it
ie that they've never heard of him.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
31. Do you REALLY not know who he is???
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #3
48. You don't know who Joe Conason is............
that says a lot right there.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:22 AM
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7. As usual, Joe Conason is right.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:31 PM
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23. agree
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:18 PM
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53. Unusually, though, he's several months late.
Not particularly daring of him.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:00 AM
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11. Jeez, I thought Conason would be too smart to construct a strawman argument..
such as we see on DU on a daily basis about people who oppose Clinton as SOS. Just because a person doesn't support Hillary's nomination does not automatically assume that one is a "Hillary hater." There are valid concerns if the close-minded strawman constructors would take the time to listen.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:41 AM
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13. Pretty sad isn't it. Looks like we're all taking like Republicans now. :( nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. So people on DU who oppose the idea
are just as or more capable of making a sound judgement then Obama and his transition team and the vetting process? That is a ridiculous position for you to take. And Conason makes several "valid points" for you to consider with your closed little mind.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. Bizarro DU: where Conason is denounced and Broder is praised
WTF???
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:20 PM
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36. He lost me at "haters." You lost me at "closed little mind." If you can't make
your argument sans the insults that says more about you than it does about me. Bye now.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. You are too defensive for me to believe your opinion
is based on some great wisdom or knowledge that Obama should factor into the decision.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:07 PM
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14. A lot of people respect Joe Conason
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 12:07 PM by BrklynLiberal
Joe Conason (born 1954 in New York City) is a journalist, author and political commentator. He writes a column for the weekly New York Observer newspaper, for Salon.com and has written a number of books, including Big Lies (2003), which addresses what he says are myths spread about liberals by conservatives.

Conason received a B.A. in History from Brandeis University in 1975. He then worked at two Boston-based newspapers, East Boston Community News and The Real Paper.

From 1978 to 1990, he worked as a columnist and staff writer at The Village Voice.
<snip>
From 1990 to 1992, Conason was "editor-at-large" for Details magazine. In 1992, he became a columnist for the New York Observer, a position he still holds.

He served as investigative editor for The American Prospect.

In 1992 Conason wrote an article for Spy magazine naming Jennifer Fitzgerald and Jane Morgan as women who allegedly were having affairs with George H. W. Bush, using Linda Tripp as a source.

Conason was a regular guest and a guest host on The Al Franken Show, where he had the distinction of being the only guest with two theme songs. He made an appearances every Friday as a commentator, as well as co-judging with Al their weekly quiz show Wait, wait, don't lie to me.

Conason coined the term "corporate-jet conservative" as a counter to "limousine liberal" (a term used to describe wealthy, insulated supporters of left-wing causes).

In 2000, he co-authored the book The Hunting of the President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton with Gene Lyons; the book was turned into a documentary in 2004, which Conason co-produced. The Raw Deal, his book on the Bush Administration's efforts to "end Social Security as we know it," appeared in 2005. In 2007, Conason published It Can Happen Here: Authoritarian Peril in the Age of Bush (Thomas Dunne Books).
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 PM
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19. I respect him. It does not mean I have to agree with him on everything.\nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:19 PM
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16. nice article, and a spoonful of wisdom I think. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:22 PM
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18. Sigh. I wished Conason used his own advise and shut up.\nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:37 PM
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26. I recall Obama talking about the old business as usual Washington crowd during the primary when...
distinguishing himself from Clinton and calling for change. Anyone else remember that?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 12:48 PM
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30. Why? The answer is quite simple: it was campaign rhetoric.
Why are so many so shocked that a) After criticizing Hillary for months over her "judgment" he would choose her as SOS and b) That Hillary would consider the job after portraying him as "naive" and ill suited to answer the 3 AM phone call?

It's all B.S. that candidates use to try to win during a campaign. The fact that it surprises so many people just shows how naive most people are about how the game is played. Because that's precisely what it is: a game, a high stakes game, but a game nonetheless.

As someone who belongs to a family of politicians and diplomats, almost nothing surprises me anymore.

:eyes:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. They're shocked-SHOCKED, I tell you-that politicking is going on in this establishment.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. I know.............
They must have forgotten that Obama came up from the South Side Chicago political machinery, no innocent babe in the woods is he.

:7
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:28 PM
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38. She gets another shot at acting like a human being.
She ran against Obama like a Republican disrespecting him every step of the way. Now she gets a shot at redeeming herself. President Obama is now in charge, and we shall see if Clinton can dig deep and behave like a normal human being instead of the cult figurehead of the Clinton Wing of the Democratic Party. If this thing actually comes to fruition, then we shall see.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. ugh ... how do you carry all that ugly every day? n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. is a difference of opinion too much to bear?
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Never ... but with you it isn't just opinion, it's a religion.
You drag your "opinion" (read:"spew") into every thread that mentions anything Clinton. It's appears to be some kind of twisted obsession.

Hope you recover soon. :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. lol
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #45
70. Some people cling to their religion. Let them.
:D
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. I ain't arguin' with jesus!

:hug:

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #45
82. It doesn't "appear to be," it is n/t
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #43
65. It's not an opinion
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:22 PM
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73. That's your opinion.
In response to my opinion. See how that works? The fact that you would like to veto my opinion on the subject of the Clintons is really your problem, not mine.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:44 PM
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60. Some people need to fill up empty lives with ugliness.
It fills in the gaps.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:49 PM
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62. Thanks for your brave personal testimony on gap-filling (wink-wink). n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 08:04 PM by AtomicKitten
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:04 PM
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64. She already is a very nice human being
:eyes:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:23 PM
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74. Do you know her personally? Is she related to you?
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 11:48 PM by AtomicKitten
Or is this from a movie playing inside your head? Because Clinton has provided people all kinds of reasons to have a problem with her. And you see none of it. That's the problem.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:22 PM
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54. Replace that with "Bush haters" and you'll get what Rush Limbaugh said after 2004
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 03:27 PM by ClarkUSA
Too bad Conason has drunk the Hillaryland Kool-Aide and now partakes of freeperish tactics to demonize all those
who do not worship at the Clintonian altar.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:55 PM
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57. The difference is that Hillary is a democrat and SO ARE YOU
and you shouldn't hate fellow democrats.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:45 PM
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61. Oh SNAP!!!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. You're not allowed to -- at least publicly -- as per DU rules
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:04 PM
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58. Excellent analysis, thanks for the post!
I commend Obama for picking the best and the brightest of our dem leaders.

I also commend Hillary for her willingness to take on some of the most horrific foreign policy challenges we are facing.

Only time will tell if Obama made the right call, I'm betting he did.....................
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:06 PM
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67. All Winter/Spring Some People Had to Trash Clinton In Order to Promote Obama
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 08:07 PM by Crisco
Obama picking Clinton allies for his admin, and Hillary, herself, as SoS - over the backstabber Richardson! - shows these people what rubes they were.

It's gotta smart.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:13 PM
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68. "Get Over it"?? Where have I heard that before?
Are DLC'ers even bothering to conceal their Republicanism anymore? And do we really need TWO threads of this bullshit?
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:20 PM
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69. I didn't read the article or the comments here on DU, but I REC'D just on the title, lol!
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 08:20 PM by jesus_of_suburbia
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 08:30 PM
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71. Rumor
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:42 AM
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77. scarletwoman to Conason: Fuck you for calling people who have honest objections to HRC "haters".
Jeebus, I am fucking sick of this shit.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 02:00 AM
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79. Your a hater if you didn't vote for their candidate.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:51 AM
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78. Joe gets it right, as usual. nt
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:03 AM
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81. Yes... "haters" IS the right word. He nailed it perfectly.
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