The Republican Party in its Last Throes...who woulda thought...Damn..In our life time too

[opihimoimoi]

There is no way the Pubs can survive this...

The story is too big....the GOP Fucked up so bad they have no respect...no story for them to continue

They have destroyed themselves by supporting Bush/Cheney who proceeded to wreck the Nation by plundering it...

The GOP will take the blame while the Bushies skip town

Thus...having no Hero...no one to take up the Colors,,,the PUB Party will wither on the vine...snippets of power here and there...dominance never again...they have doomed themselves....

Its time to BURY the Party...They might not want to admit it but its there...the death CheneStokes gasps..the twitching, the dialated eyes...No need of the Defib Unit...this Party is Fuckin Dead

[Hugabear]

1. They're reinvent themselves as conservative Democrats

And LIEberman will be their new leader.

[opihimoimoi]

5. Obama got a lock on this....trust me...the PUB arty is a DYING BREED

[Two Americas]

17. bye bye brand name

So what?

The way to "have a lock on this" is to do the bidding of the wealthy and powerful few and replace the Republican party as their advocate.

Many here are advocating that the Democratic party do just that. Emmanuel says "we welcome their ideas and concepts."

Ideas and concepts? Which ideas and concepts that the Republicans have been ruthlessly promoting are welcome by Democrats or on a Democratic administration, elected because the people utterly rejected all of the Republican ideas and concepts?

[opihimoimoi]

24. Not all Pub ideas are good ones/// only a couple or so....Obama Team will cherry pick those

[Danger Mouse]

81. Lieberman wouldn't fit in. He's too liberal.

He's just a foreign policy hawk.

[tritsofme]

2. I thought the same thing in 1974.

Didn't end up working out as I expected.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and history says Republicans are likely to gain congressional seats in 2010.

I think I'll let the next couple years play out before I start making such bold pronouncements.

[opihimoimoi]

7. I just love doing it...sometimes ...it comes TRUE

[SharonAnn]

75. Unfortunately, they just took the State House and State Senate here in Tennessee and

it looks there's a chance of a GOp governor in 2020.

Guess that fits, though. Tennessee is decades behind the majority of the country.

[vduhr]

3. Chickens with their heads cut off

My mother used to describe people who were running willy-nilly, with no direction: "They're running around like chickens with their heads cut off."

It's not just the Republican party. Visit some of the message boards where repugs visit. The comments are almost hilarious as they try to find some kind of direction. They don't know what to do, because they only know how to follow.

[opihimoimoi]

8. Their Leadership has no story and if ya got no story...you ain't got shit

[Two Americas]

4. they are being rescued

Source: CBS News

Incoming White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said President-elect Barack Obama wants to work with Republicans, saying the new chief executive will "welcome their ideas" on how to resolve the ongoing financial crisis the country faces.

Emanuel met today with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and the entire GOP leadership from that chamber for about 30 minutes, and is currently huddling with House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (Ind.). A one-on-one session with House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) will follow the Pence meeting.

Emanuel noted that he personally had spoken to almost two dozen Republicans in the last two weeks to tell them that the new administration is serious about bipartisan cooperation.

"We welcome their ideas and their concepts," Emanuel told reporters after his meeting with McConnell and other Senate Republicans. "It's challenging times economically. The middle class is working harder, earning less and paying more. The challenges facing the country require that people of both parties work together to solve those problems."

"I told them that I welcome their ideas, be that in their area of education, health care, taxes, energy policy, national security," Emanuel added. "Give us those ideas, because we are formulating what we're going to do in the Obama administration."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/20/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4621638.shtml

[opihimoimoi]

10. This means they are changing their spots....cpmpromising, adapting

They will not be the same....impossible under these conditions

[Two Americas]

14. it was always a front

The Republican party was always just a front for advancing the interests and desires of the wealthy and powerful few. They don't need the Republican party, it is just a tool in their hands. If that tool wears out and is no longer effective, they make or buy new tools.

[opihimoimoi]

19. Ed Zachery...just change the name....well, no....they need a new story too

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. 61% don't like them

[opihimoimoi]

11. overwhelming evidence of non suport...the GOP shot itself in the neck

[MadMaddie]

9. They will only be destroyed if we prosecute them this time

They should have prosecuted Cheney, Rumsfeld and others that were involved in the 70's and Congress chose not to prosecute them. These men have been the albatros around America's neck.

We must prosecute all of the * admin n order to break free.

[opihimoimoi]

12. The Justice Dept will have its hands full....esp since the Bushies have destroyed much evidence of

their nefarious shit...

[BlooInBloo]

13. Yah - that's what the Jedi thought, too.

[Chipper Chat]

15. Nothing would please me more, but........

after Nixon was gone CBS,ABC,NBC and Dumont (oops, scratch that one) were all questioning the viability of the GOP post Watergate.
Ta da: Enter Saint Ronnie. Flash forward 31 years and enter Joan-of-Arc Palin.

I forsee the complete takeover of the PUB Party by the Reich-wing championed by Miss Sara, Hucklebee, Rush, and Hugh Hewitt. The Goldwater-Hagel-Powell-Snowe-Lugar branch will "wander in the wilderness" until after 2010 until a leader emerges and can give them some direction. Maybe the Whig Party will be reborn??

[opihimoimoi]

23. the name will change but the core selfishness will remain the same...thus their Waterloo

[JJ]

16. Don't believe it for a minute

They still have the biggest propaganda operation in the world. ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NYTimes, Wash. Post, etc. etc. all take their marching orders and talking points from the RNC.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Despite that, Obama cleaned their clocks..the positive story is what people hunger for

[happyslug]

18. I read a paper by someone I forgotten about the coming decline for the GOP in the late 1980s.

He said the GOP has a history of going through three leaders, first the GOP finds a leader the is of the people, addresses the needs of the people even as he addresses the needs of the upper class, he is succeeded by a person to his right, but still a person who looks to help people, even as he helps the upper class, but to tends to view helping the Upper class as helping the people, Then that person is succeeded by a person of the Upper Class who takes care of the Upper class while mouthing concern for the people. This three generation movement could be seen throughout US History, Lincoln, Grant and McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft and Coolidge/Hoover, Nixon, Reagan and Bush (The article I was reading called Bush sr, the return to the rule of the elite, but seems to have been a bit to early, it really took Bush jr.).

The key to the movement was all three ended in Disaster for the GOP, as it lost its base (In the Case of McKinley/Theodore Roosevelt the switch was quick, do to the radical turn to the Left the Democrats did in 1896 and that the Democrats stayed to the left compared to the GOP throughout the first half of the 20h Century).

The Democrats has a similar movement, Jefferson-Madison-Monroe, Then Jackson-Van Buren-Polk- Buchanan. The post Civil war Democratic Party was to divided to be effective, its strength was in the South and was a me-too party till 1896, when it resumed its left-Right Movement. To the Left with Bryan, then to the center with Wilson then to the Right at the end of Wilson's term and the 1920s (Al Smith in 1928 was more a DLC then a left wing Democrat). FDR, started out as a Right Wing Candidate but swung left in his first two terms of office, then the party went to the Center During WWII and Truman and then to the Right with Kennedy and Johnson (And for people who think Kennedy was to the left of Johnson, I like to point out the observation that JFK's political position was closest to Nixon's in the 1950s then any other person in the Government).

The party went to the Left with Johnson but also to the right as LBJ tried to keep Vietnam from destroying his presidency (It did anyway). Finally the party putter out with Carter (Clinton was a me-too Democrat, much like Grover Cleveland had been in the 1880s and 1890s both Cleveland and Clinton were Democratic Presidents during a GOP wave).

The Country is much like it was in 1896, ready to go to the left (Except the GOP was more organized in 1896 then it has been this year, enough to steal the election that year). The GOP is is disarray and the Democrats are in top condition (unlike in 1896 where the Democrats where spent something like 10-1 but still came with a few percentage points of winning and at least one commentator said if it was NOT for the dead voting, the Democrats would have won in 1896).

I go into the above, more to show you that the GOP is NOT dead, it may be sick, but it will recover. It may take them 40 years like it did after 1932 (Eisenhower, while a GOP President was during a Democratic wave, like Cleveland during the GOP wave of the late 1800s, the Democratic wave did not end till Nixon and even with Nixon the Democratic wave survived till Reagan finally killed it). Reagan's GOP wave of 1980 till now is dead, Bill Clinton, while a Democrat, rode that wave, but we are now in a Democratic wave, the question is how far to the left will we go?

[opihimoimoi]

20. The direction has to take into account the dire circumstances the world is in

there is no room for error with re to essentials for human life...we have reached the tip of the spiral....the end of the growth ring...we are overloaded with numbers who need food water energy etc...so social answers require political systems to address these concerns....Obama is on the right track

Whats in the best interst for the Future will dictate the course...

[iamthebandfanman]

22. well , since we are gonna be so ultra-bipartison

i think youre jumping the gun a bit.

[opihimoimoi]

25. Trust me, The GOP Brand Name is TOAST...might win here and there but no

dominance anymore...their message of hate/division/etc is long gone...

[iamthebandfanman]

50. give it 8 years

of bi-partisonship...

of course this is assuming republicans play ball...

things looked pretty grim for the democratic party right after the 2000 election, as i recall.

[SwampG8r]

26. tombstone dancing is forbidden

shame on you

[opihimoimoi]

27. LOL...come, we go piss on their names....

[SwampG8r]

28. well...ok

let me finish this gatoraide first though

[opihimoimoi]

29. LOL...No Dancin...jus some pissin...

[TheKentuckian]

30. They have a legit chance of dooming themselves this time

they have to adjust to the demographics or face extinction. It can be done but I'm not going to drop any hints to them. They may have to at least let "the base" die out before they can reboot in any effective way. They pissed away the Hispanics and that put them behind the 8 ball big time. I think we'd be best served by burning down their house and pissing on the ashes before they light a new fire.

[opihimoimoi]

34. Count me in...LOL When they played the STRIDENT Card...that was it.

They lost more peeps this last election than ever before....the loss is especailly important because of its nature....Loss by taking their people for granted ...they figured they could be continually fooled beyond the limit....breaking the FOOL BOUNDARY RULE

Never FOOL Beyond Peoples Limit...or,.....there is such a thing as TOO MUCH.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

44. I've been saying this very thing for several years

and this election was the proof of it. Remember the "puke KKKonvention. Old. White, Religiously batshit. Democratic convention was a mosaic: black, white, Latino, Asian, straight, gay, young, old. It looked like the country I live in. When the repigs sold themselves to the fundie crazies they signed their own demographic death warrant. This is a country getting younger, better educated, browner and more tolerant. The pukes have nothing to offer what this country is becoming.

[opihimoimoi]

52. Yup...The Midnight Gongs are sounding...GONG ....GONG....Their TIME Has Come...

Its time to go...the GOP Had its Day...they had their turn ...their fun...now its time to let go

[galaxy21]

62. I agree the demographics have made things bad for them

It didn't help that they proudly became the white trash party, alienating most minority voters in the process.

[BritishDemocrat]

64. Comparing the Conservative Party in Britain...

It was annihalated in the 1997 General Election, and won only 160 seats out of over 600, and got 30% of the vote.

And a similar figure in 2001.

After the 1997 election, everyone pretty much expected them to be wiped out and gone for a few generations.

They are now leading the polls by 10, 15, sometimes 20 points and completely expected to form the next British government. They have already taken the London mayoralty for the first time ever this year and are doing remarkably well.

Lot of factors in this - Labour Party's war in Iraq was hugely unpopular. The Conservative Party has ditched social conservatism pretty much, now supports civil partnerships and minorities. They have pioneered green politics in Britain and have proposed to reduce immigration. They have a young and charismatic leader who is popular.

I know there are differences between US and UK but when we completely expected our right wing party to go, it came back in full force only 9 years later and is expected to form the next government. Having said that it did take huge party reforms to do that, and it dropped it's more nasty fringes.

Could happen with the GOP.

[LeftishBrit]

78. Yes unfortunately...

Partly it was Blair messing things up.

Partly what Americans call an 'anti-incumbency mood' in bad economic times.

And partly that RW parties never seem to quite go away!

There is an even more extreme example in Canada. In 1993, their Conservatives were swept out of office in an utterly humiliating defeat: all but TWO of the sitting MPs lost their seats! But eventually they returned, and no one seems able to dislodge Harper yet.

But at least the Republicans are out for a while; and I'm still hoping that the Tories will have done something to make themselves unpopular by the time we have our next elections.

[MrSlayer]

31. Pah, come back in 8 years when Jeb is President-elect.

Obama is there to clean up the mess and refill the coffers so the neos can loot them again.

[opihimoimoi]

35. Them Pubs fucked big time....to the point of hurting many many out there. The GOP wanna comeback...?

Not until the people allow themselves to be fooled once more...that is gonna take some time....the hurt is that DEEP....

[MrSlayer]

72. Yeah, give it about 8 years.

When "Obama fatigue" sets in. People were warned about what Chimp would do to the success the country was having back in 2000 and they voted for him anyway because "it's just time for something different". Fairly elected or not, enough people voted for him to make it close enough to steal. And it will happen again. They'll be back, count on it.

[old mark]

32. There will always be enough assholes to form the GOP.

They are just trying to figure out who to blame.
They have no concept of why they lost so much - it's not the way Rush said it would be.

mark

[opihimoimoi]

33. their ability to fool the people has been com'p by Obama and the Truth Cards

Sanity and Reality...

The GOP might reform but will people...enough people...support them as in the numbers seen 6 years ago??? I think not....I think The People has gotten a dose of Reason Truth and Sanity and find they like it...these 3 girls bring out HOPE and PROMISE

[old mark]

36. After Newt and his gang, 8 years of Bush II,

and a dose of McCain/Palin, it would take a real first class idiot to be a Republican.
We have those, in large numbers, but I agree they won't really amolunt to much for a long time.

Of course,the GOP thought they would be the ruling party forever, so it's never safe to believe you can't ever lose.

mark

[opihimoimoi]

37. The real Enemy is DeLusional Arrogance......if it takes Root....there will be probs

:toast:

[old mark]

38. Yes! Please see my signature line below.

It is amazing how arrogant the GOP was, and they are having a hard time adjusting to reality.

mark

[opihimoimoi]

40. And where is Tom DeLay today.....??? On his way to JAIL I am Wishing

He is Passe....

[old mark]

49. These guys remind me of Hitler -

in his last days hiding in the underground bunker, he said that the German people had betrayed him and let him down because they were not willing to sacrifice enough to make his plans for world domination come true.
This sounds to me like what various factions of the GOP are saying to each other.


mark

[opihimoimoi]

53. Its the DeLusion Card...thats all they have left....

[zbdent]

39. I'm not ordering the headstone yet ...

remember the righties proclaiming the Dems irrelevant in November 2002 ...

[opihimoimoi]

41. Their Power at the time was built on BS and fooling John Q....but no longer

Their excesses exposed the underbelly of corruption, cronyism, ineptness, etc etc killing themselves in both feet.

[zbdent]

47. never underestimate the masses'

stupidity

gullibility

penchant for forgetting history ...

[opihimoimoi]

54. We should be setting up a system to prevent lapsing backward

:toast:

[nxylas]

42. It's the end of history!

[WI_DEM]

43. No, they will be back one day to suck our blood again--they were written off

after the depression, after LBJ's landslide in '64 and after Watergate. The Pukes will survive.

[high density]

45. I dunno, I thought the Democratic party was pretty dead after 2004

But since then we have had two excellent election cycles. The Repukes hate to run government but they do an excellent job at marketing themselves into positions of power The media is very eager to make 2010 into a replay of 1994.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. Relevant cartoon:

[sofa king]

48. Nah. We took almost as big a hit in 2002 and 2004.

Remember also that half of this nation is dumber than google-eyed dog poop, and almost one quarter of us are right-wing authoritarians who will never support this President or any other Democrat, ever. We actually need the Republican Party or those authoritarians will look to the leaders they really want: fascists.

The big money will still be backing the GOP, the board of directors of every television station and most newspapers will back them, the Saudis and the UAE will back them, and for that matter the Chinese probably love 'em too, since the GOP has left out a fine yard sale of American institutions for the Chinese to snap up at fire-sale prices.

When America fails, there are plenty of people--including the top income bracket of Americans--who succeed wildly. Thus, the Republican Party will remain strong and will present a strong challenge in 2012 and beyond.

[Ilsa]

51. Psychologically, I don't think so.

Fundamentals of Management textbooks frequently mention the story of a factory where productivity was declining. Management brightened the lights, and productivity went up. They figured it was the brighter lights. They turned the lights down, and productivity went up again to their surprise.

The moral of the story is never underestimate people's positive reaction to change, even if it is the GOP's idea to change things for the worse, likr they did in 2000.

[Waiting For Everyman]

55. For now, and I'm glad. But there are always younger people coming up who don't know

what they've done, and those are who they spin the whitewashed version of themselves and their history to.

[galaxy21]

56. If they run another fundy and they lose, then I think they might have to take a lot at themselves

and maybe they'll go back to their small governmen roots. But until then....

[opihimoimoi]

57. If they wanna improve, the GOP has to Drop DeLusion and Fantasy from their lexicon

But, knowing how obstinate they are...this won't happen any time later

[galaxy21]

58. One woman ended the republican party as we know it: Terri Schiavo

I think that was when people realized how crazy the religious right where. Once the backlash started, that was it. The end of social conservatism.

[opihimoimoi]

70. You may have a point....my mems are hazy re this ....

The BS Factor met the REALITY WALL....that could be it....

[galaxy21]

79. That whole thing was the religious right as its peak

I think most of the moderates looked at that behaviour (vigils outside the hospital room, plots to break her out, threats against her husband and the staff) and wondered what the hell they were they were doing in that party. People went from thinking 'oh, they're very religious, but nice enough' to thinking 'holy crap, these people are crazy'


I think it just violated a lot of people's respect for privacy. Even if people didn't agree with Michael Schiavo, there were people out there that didn't want congress getting involved in their end of life decisions.


Republicans got involved because they thought it would help gain favour with religious voters, instead it made them incredibly unpopular and alienated the rest of the party (and country) from the religious right.

[Forkboy]

59. meh...heard the same thing after Watergate.

No Republican was expected to be elected for a couple decades after that. 4 years later Reagan won. They'll be back, and they'll be back regrouped and reinvented (in image, if nothing else). Count them out at your own peril.

[galaxy21]

60. Yeah, but there are no 'rock stars' like Reagan to unite the party

Only Palin (national joke) and Jindal (exorcist)

[Forkboy]

63. That's a good point.

But I can see them propping someone up and having it work well enough to make an election close. I just refuse to count the Repubs out until that last death rattle ecapes their scum encrusted lips. :)

[opihimoimoi]

67. Bush has not been sleeping good lately...been walking the halls and talking to the portraits

I think he now realizes he blew it .....his condition is rapidly deteriotating...soon he be like Ebinizar and the Ghost of Redemption...there will be None..."Ye will suffer till eternity"

Bush is having nightmares...

Let Feedom Ring...series....

[galaxy21]

68. I said before the Bush/LBJ comparisons are there

Yeah, I know LBJ did good things, but he was in the same shape as Bush towards the end of his time as president. I'm convinced Bush is drinking again, also.

[opihimoimoi]

69. Bush has started to babble incessantly and sometimes incoherently too...spittle flying and shit

he is going downhill faster than a speeding drunk...

[Cleita]

61. I guess we will have that to celebrate this holiday season as well.

That song about the wicked witch being dead from The Wizard Of Oz keeps running through my mind. :-)

[opihimoimoi]

66. The Wicked Bush is Dead...The Wicked Bush is Dead...How I would love to hear them Bells tell us that

This Bush and his GOP has really done it this time...

The World is falling apart due to their actions and they still offer no help to Obama cept lip service...they still stifle moves to help out...

The GOP is EVIL

[BritishDemocrat]

65. Comparing the Conservative Party in Britain....

After running the country for 18 years, it was annihalated in the 1997 General Election, and won only 160 seats out of over 600, and got 30% of the vote.

And a similar figure in 2001.

After the 1997 election, everyone pretty much expected them to be wiped out and gone for a few generations.

They are now leading the polls by 10, 15, sometimes 20 points and completely expected to form the next British government. They have already taken the London mayoralty for the first time ever this year and are doing remarkably well.

Lot of factors in this - Labour Party's war in Iraq was hugely unpopular. The Conservative Party has ditched social conservatism pretty much, now supports civil partnerships and minorities. They have pioneered green politics in Britain and have proposed to reduce immigration. They have a young and charismatic leader who is popular.

I know there are differences between US and UK but when we completely expected our right wing party to go, it came back in full force only 9 years later and is expected to form the next government. Having said that it did take huge party reforms to do that, and it dropped it's more nasty fringes.

Could happen with the GOP.

[JCMach1]

80. Exactly... but let's keep them in the wilderness as long as possible

[SHRED]

71. They are not done by any means

---

They still own the major media on radio and TV.

Don't get too giddy.
They are already blaming Obama for the economy on RW radio saying people fear "Socialism" and that is why they are pulling out of the stock market..


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[Odin2005]

73. GOP RIP, 1854-2008...

[opihimoimoi]

74. I drink to that

:toast: :toast:

[No Elephants]

76. It could become a regional party, like the Dixiecrats were.

[opihimoimoi]

77. In Reality,,,they are there already...look at the map for the past 6 elections...

[L0oniX]

82. DNR the GOP ...love it

There biggest mistake was taking in and playing to the religious nut jobs IMO. Maybe the religious nut jobs will form their own party now which will make them a bulls eye.

[opihimoimoi]

83. MICT...."Leave the Defib Unit on the truck boys....this one is a goner"

The GOP is DOA

They have gone too far and exposed their underbelly....