Rachel Maddow: Franken losing recount, down over 30,000 votes.

[Unsane]

she's all perky about it

[FLAprogressive]

1. these numbers contradict that

http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html

[Dinger]

34. Correct, The Gap Is Now 136 (nt)

[Hieronymus]

68. Perky? Grow up...

ooops this is a reply to the original message ... sorry.

[mcg]

78. One figure only includes recounted votes, the other also includes votes not yet recounted,

that is why there is a difference. I think that they just happened to recently recount some areas that favored Coleman.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. Uppity??

I have no idea what you mean by that but from where I sit she very straightforwardly reported the recount results with 51% in. The numbers might have changed since then but I seriously doubt she's trying to undermine Franken.

[scarletwoman]

16. I don't know where she's getting her numbers, but the official MN S.o.S. page says 42.33 %

of the ballots have been recounted.

The results so far:

RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 534475 -- 43.28%
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 494804 -- 40.07%
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 204971 -- 16.60%

Go here: http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

Every day at 8:00pm the day's recount results will be posted at the above link. It's just stupid and fultile to depend on anything other than the empirical facts.

Remember, there are 2.9 million ballots being HAND counted. This is going to take at least 2 weeks. All the daily totals in the meantime, are mostly irrelevant.

sw

[WeDidIt]

3. She's reporting the raw recount

The Star Tribune is reporting the full vote noting the changes in the precincts.

[CatWoman]

5. SOS page has Coleman's lead down to 136

with 55 percent of precincts reporting.

[itsrobert]

6. Correct and it appears to be good news for Franken

It appears they have counted a higher percentage of Coleman's votes than Franken's votes. And Franken has picked up more votes than Coleman than the previous count. So it looks like Franken will be the eventual winner.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Franken, not Franklin.

[itsrobert]

10. Thanks, I usually correct others for this mistake

I don't know why I spelled it that way this time.

[No Elephants]

52. Isn't it odd that, every time there are errors, they seem to have favored the Pub?

[LisaL]

12. Well, dah. 30,000 off the original count would mean huge

problems with the original count.

[Unsane]

18. you'd think Maddow would mention that

[bunkerbuster1]

31. yeah, she SUCKS! she's DEAD TO ME!

ok, I think she screwed up too, just messin' wit ya.

I was watching last night as well and thinking, "you want to tell people what this means, or are you trusting that your viewership is so wonkish that it's not necessary?"

[davidinalameda]

4. not all of the counties are in

he may be down 30K votes over all right now

[azurnoir]

13. At present he's down less than 150 votes

that is from the entire state on the original count

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/34806059.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckU

[firedupdem]

17. Thats a big jump! 30,000 vs. 150?

kind of reminds me of her reporting that Obama was "suspending his campaign" to go see his grandma.

[mcg]

77. Now down about 180 ...

Star Tribune - results by county

This includes votes not recounted yet, that's why there is a difference between
the 30,000 figure and the less than 200 figure.

http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html

[DCBob]

8. Those are raw totals as of 51% reporting. Franken is still gaining in votes that have changed.

The Star Tribune website is more up to date.

[Wetzelbill]

9. It's not going to end up like that

It'll be much closer when all votes are tallied, win or lose.

[LisaL]

11. That makes no sense whatsoever.

The original count would have to be totally wrong.

[DCBob]

15. Refer to the Star Tribune website for the most up to date numbers.

Rachel's data is misleading and stale.

[w4rma]

14. Large Democratic counties come in last, therefore he'll be "down" until they are in.

Franken is going to win after all the votes are counted, but it may be one of the closest U.S. Senate races in history.

[catgirl]

44. Ramsey county is a big one

And they were counting that yesterday. Hennepin county is the one to watch now (Minneapolis).

[IsItJustMe]

19. Once again, Rachel Maddow does not know what she is talking about. It would not be the first time.

[last_texas_dem]

25. Many of the posters on this thread seem to suffer from the same problem.

[lessthanjake1234]

20. Shes jsut trying to stop people from getting their hopes up

[angee_is_mad]

21. or keep her new bffs (conservatives) happy

I never was a Rachel fan, but I didn't dislike her. She is slowly, but surely making me dislike her. Especially her obvious disdain for Obama.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. Exactly right.

[last_texas_dem]

24. Oh yeah, all the conservatives *love* Rachel Maddow...

What are you talking about?

[angee_is_mad]

75. Uncle Pat?

the biggest neocon that is out there. Pat Buchanan is Uncle Pat. That is Rachel's pet name for him.

[last_texas_dem]

80. Pat Buchanan is hardly a neocon; he's a paleocon,

and Maddow has discussed how she took his 1992 "culture war" speech as a personal attack against her; it sounds like it made a difference in getting her more involved in liberal politics. That she actually brings guests on her show with views that contradict hers strongly, including Buchanan, whose views she has described as "toxic," to debate is to her credit, as I've never seen a debate where she didn't hold her own with them. Having a conservative on her show for the purpose of debating them doesn't mean she is "bff"'s with them. I could be wrong, but I'm virtually positive that the "Uncle Pat" nickname is intended to be served with a huge dose of irony.

[bunkerbuster1]

35. Disdain? WTF?

She has a healthy skepticism about the work he's doing, but disdain?

I suspect you never heard her discussing her post-10/30 interview impressions of the man. paraphrasing here, but the first thing she said was "people do not recognize what a strikingly handsome, physically fit man he really is from seeing him on TV." And then she said, "he is obviously having the time of his life."

I don't think that's the sort of thing you say about someone you don't like.

[No Elephants]

54. Praising a Presidential candidate for his looks and physical fitness and his

ability to enjoy himself? Heck, I probably could have done that for Dummya in 2000, if I had been inclined to compliment him at all.

[jhrobbins]

70. Exactly. I watched her throughout the campaign and it was obvious

that she was an Obama supporter. If she is commenting on some things she doesn't understand, I look at it more like a parent concerned over something their child did-they're concerned, but they certainly still love them.

[Larkspur]

40. She's a lot smarter than you and I share her concern over Obama

[No Elephants]

55. Is that the job of a journalist?

[last_texas_dem]

23. Well, it's true

Regarding the raw recount totals, rather than focusing on the net gains/losses in Franken's and Coleman's overall totals. Oh yeah, and she wasn't anymore perky than normal when she reported that.

[Guava Jelly]

26. I don't get the Maddow hatred here.

I just don't.

[trumad]

27. Simple Homophobia...

of course they'll never admit it.

[Guava Jelly]

28. I think people attach an agenda to her reporting.

She isn't trying to pimp the idea that Coleman is winning to promote some agenda against Franken.
She is reporting what she sees in her own way. I don't always agree with it.
She is giving an OP-Ed. That is it.
The recount will go as it goes and Maddows reporting on the subject wont influence a thing.
People need to chill-out on her

[No Elephants]

57. Except that the way she sees things usually is that the Dem is doomed.

[Guava Jelly]

61. Devils advocate maybe?

:)

[Teaser]

29. actually, I just get tired of her Debby Downer routine

otherwise she's fine.

[bunkerbuster1]

33. I think her Debbie Downer/glass half-empty approach is done with wit and self-awareness

I think it's partly an act, partly genuine superstition about getting one's hopes up.

Mostly I see it as kind of a rather original inside joke most of us get.

think about it; are there any other pundits who are as consistently skeptical in their own side's ability to accomplish their mission against the current of conventional wisdom?

[Teaser]

62. yeah, but it just ain't that funny

at least not to me.

*shrugs*

[CatWoman]

64. LOL

Remember the Whiners, from SNL?

:rofl:

[1corona4u]

30. No, her personal life has nothing to do with it...

she's a paranoid, underwhelming, fear driven, negative person. Something I sure don't need in my life.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

45. AMEN!! I love Rachel but couldn't stand her attitude during the primaries and

general election. If I had to listen to her, I'd end up slitting my wrists! She was also dead wrong about all of it. I have to turn her off most of the time because my nerves and blood pressure can't deal with her.

[pokercat999]

46. They are gay?....oh you mean RM, I didn't know, now all my

dreams are dashed.......lol :evilgrin:

[peace frog]

50. Bingo!

We have a winnah!

[Billy Burnett]

53. When did you stop beating your dog?

Of course, you'll never admit to it.

[No Elephants]

59. Of course. Making any criticism of any gay person is homophobia. Riiiight.

[bunkerbuster1]

32. Hatred? Naw, just very high expectations of our own

I think she mishandled this bit on her show last night. It's not really a big deal, though.

[Guava Jelly]

36. I wasn't necessarily picking on this thread.

If it came off that way it wasn't my intention.
I just noticed that she catches a lot of shit around here.
I like her.
Having her as a progressive voice w/a show is a good thing.

[bunkerbuster1]

37. I imagine our DU-orneriness will go on

no matter who we get to watch on the television machine!

[Dawgs]

39. I don't hate her. But, she's changed since getting her new show.

That's not my fault.

[Larkspur]

41. No she has not changed. You never knew who she was.

She will be an important progressive who will help us keep Obama's feet to the fire.

Obama is not perfect and I'm not impressed with his so called "change we can believe in" appointments to his cabinet. Clinton redux is what I'd call it and that is not "change I can believe in".

[Dawgs]

47. I feel sorry for you.

Living in fear and being negative is not healthy.

[Larkspur]

66. I don't lieve in fear nor am I totally negative. I embrace my fear, and my negative

feelings about Obama's lack of change comes from my women's intuition. I've always felt that Obama was Bill Clinton redux.

[Dawgs]

38. It's one thing to report the news, it's another to go after Dems with snarky remarks.

I don't know why she's changed since getting her new show. It's sad.

[Larkspur]

42. She has always been a critic of Dems, especially those Dems

who love to kiss each others butts, like with the Lieberman committee chair resolution.

[Dawgs]

48. I'm not asking her to kiss anyone's butt. I'm asking her to not be so negative.

Especially for no good reason.

[Larkspur]

67. Are you kidding? Rachel is a very positive person. When she expresses concern

over the Dems hyprocrisy or bad decisions, its because she cares, not because she's a right wing pundit wannabe.

[xultar]

51. Apparently she's following the DemocraticUnderground method of video blogging.

[bdamomma]

43. did anyone see Chris Matthews last night

showing the ballots that are in question, how hard is it to fill in the circle next to the candidates name.

[FloridaGrl]

49. It's Rachel

did you expect better?

[NorthCarolina]

56. It's Rachel

there is none better!

[FloridaGrl]

58. You haven't been listening/ watching

to other progressives I see.

[NorthCarolina]

60. I don't need anyone else to tell me whether to like Maddow or not

she is one of the extremely FEW places in the media where truth actually comes out. You can dislike her for whatever reason you choose, but to me she presents a truth that is so lacking from our media discussions today.

[CitizenPatriot]

63. I agree with the above poster- Maddow presents facts

and I am thrilled to have such a brilliant person to watch. She presents the "worries" of the people, and then let's her guests present the other side. Looking at all of the hysteria on DU, I'd think she nailed it pretty well:-)

I like that she has the "other" side on her show when they are brave enough to try it. She's an excellent debater, she has facts at her disposal, she doesn't allow things to go unchallenged-- she's a thinker. She's progressive. She gave Huck a chance last night, tried to find common ground with the guy and had in fact found it until he put his foot in his mouth and said liberals couldn't understand what they read. She isn't rude and condescending to people, but she wins most of her debates because she is informed.

What's not to like about that? I really appreciated her during the GE. And now, even some Republicans I know tell me they've heard good things about her and want to check her show out. Great! I want them to be educated and see that discourse can be respectful. Her ability to listen and respect the other side makes her stronger, makes our agenda stronger, and is in line with Obama's approach. I see her as a very strong advocate of the Obama method of unity.

Y'all can knock her all you want, but it's sad to see. More of the left eating its own.

[WI_DEM]

65. She tends to look at things negatively for the democrats such as...

she predicted HRC would go all the way to the convention. She said for months that she expected McCain to win the election. On election night when PA was called right off for Obama and everybody else was commenting that there goes McCain's hopes of winning a blue state she kept saying, "Obama hasn't turned a red state blue yet." And this is just continuing with her pessimistic outlook for dems. She may actually end up being right on this one, but time will tell.

[Larkspur]

69. Well, Hillary was going to challenge Obama right through to the convention

It was her Congressional Dem delegates who told her to concede the primary to Obama and that a floor fight at the convention would damage Dem's chances of taking the White House.

I agree that she was "pessimistic" about Obama winning the GE, but I think that was because she feared to jinx him. I have those superstitions too. I'd rather Rachel be pessimistic about Dems chances at winning elections so that they do win than the other way around.

[Forkboy]

71. There's this cool product called a remote control that some people should look up.

[Guava Jelly]

72. Remote control? Next you'll tell me unicorns exist too

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

74. Dude, unicorns are everywhere.

You need to get out once in awhile. :)

[AndrewP]

79. LOL. I was thinking the same thing.

I liked Maddow's Air America radio show in the past but I'm not as much of a fan since she joined the mutual masterbation talking head society. Good for her though, it's good to see a progressive/liberal get through on that circut. I just get a massive headache watching them talk over each other about nothing relevent.

[kwenu]

73. I hope he wins. If he doesn't, I'm pretty sure I'll get over it.

[Doctor_J]

76. Since before the recall the margin was 500 votes, this is a

FAIL