The meme that Obama 'OWES' Kerry and should be 'given' SoS is meant to DEMEAN Kerry and many

[blm]

DUers are falling for it.

As usual, the group of DC asshats who have been pushing poison against Kerry for over THREE DECADES pop up and try to poison the well, and why..... because none of the DC powerstructure wants Kerry in ANY position where he could gain access to documents kept out of his hands for over 15 years.

It's a shame so many Democrats still know so little about Kerry and the powerstructure's fear and hatred of him. There is ONE man who stood the MOST between the fascist agenda of BushInc and YOUR right to an open and accountable government. That man is John Kerry. Without his work uncovering IranContra, illegal wars in central America, BCCI and CIA drugrunning, this nation would be in its second decade of Full-on Fascism by now, not celebrating the election of our first black Democratic president.

The other shame is that so many who call themselves ACTIVIST Democarats still know so little they would REPEAT the meme that any position Kerry would be tapped for is somehow an act of cronyism, when there isn't a lawmaker in DC who has put himself, his family and his career at risk more than Kerry has over the last 35 years - some of you think advocating for open government and exposing government corruption is EASY....guess what.....IT AIN'T EASY. The easiest thing to do is GO ALONG with the powerful and keep their secrecy and privilege. That is something Kerry would never do and why the powerful always pop up to smear him and use the ignorance of the low information Dems to help them.

And for the record - I don't even WANT Kerry tapped for SoS because I want him in the senate heading investigations into BushInc - because he's one of the FEW in DC who AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN TRUST to do the job HONESTLY.

[Clintonista2]

1. It's a conspiracy!!!!111!!!!!

You are so predictable.

[blm]

3. Point to one thing I posted that is incorrect. Tell us what this nation would look like with no

uncovering of the corruption of IranContra or BCCI - go ahead. Make it believable.

Your disdain for honest lawmakers who have positively effected this nation's historic record is predictable.

[roguevalley]

26. I have beefs with Kerry going back a ways and being considered

some kind of puppet or commie just because you have a personal and legitimate beef with someone is bs. I hope he gets nothing. He was elected to serve his state. That is what he should do.

[blm]

33. Declare your beefs then. But those claiming he has no qualifications for SoS and spreading lies

about him are my targets. Declare your beefs if they are so legitimate.

[roguevalley]

85. I don't have to say jack shit. I don't know you and you don't know me. You can

have your point of view and I can have mine. I don't remember anyone on this forum being given the right to kick anyone else around for what they believe and know. You can believe that kerry deserves and is best for the job. I can believe otherwise and I don't have to justify to ANYONE why or what I hold for my opinions. Its going to be moot soon. Obama will pick the person he wants and nothing anyone on this forum believes is going to make any difference.

[wisteria]

87. We know why he is qualified and can back up our assertions with facts.

Obviously, you just harbor some kind of resentment and can produce no facts to back up your POV. Many people hope you don't get your wish, because it would be bad for this country.

[roguevalley]

90. you assume a lot. Frankly, one of the many problems I had with Kerry is not

doing anything about pursuing the vote in 2004. If he cannot fight for his own presidential chances who can trust him to fight for anyone else.

My take on that, which is equal to yours -- meaning IMO since neither of us are privy to him personally i am sure-- is that the people around him who said he was preserving his future chances were right. When he floated a trial balloon about running again, it added up.

There are plenty of people who will be good 'for the country' besides kerry and Obama will choose the one he can work with. Kerry was a lousy candidate in his run. No sense of how things can get away from you. He didn't stand up to the Swift boaters, which even a lame brain could see needed quashing. He even admitted that was a great mistake.

My 'resentments' as you say are based on my observations of him under all kinds of conditions. I am old enough to have loved him during the viet nam war and after watching him change over the decades, am old enough to mourn that happening.,

I would also say I don't have to 'back up my POV' to you or anyone. This is an open forum in which 130,000 POV's are registered. Unless you can produce a rule or a statement from the owners that you are delegated to police people and their positions, you need to give it a rest.

As for this country, I hope you are not questioning my undying desire for it to be okay again. I can actually remember when this was a great country.

[ProSense]

94. He fought for his country in many more ways than one, and you need

to check your facts.

[roguevalley]

97. jeez, suddenly I am surrounded by a bunch of dads. I don't have to 'check'

anything. or, is that some new rule, that I have to read your 'facts'.

Not everyone is a friend of Kerry. Didn't know it was a damned crime around here. Had to check the URL to make sure I was in the right place.

[ProSense]

99. No, you don't. You can continue making stuff up. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

102. Well, I suppose. But it does sorta curtail discussion if one won't say WHY they hold a view

We could just sit and stare at each other if you prefer. Be a bit boring, mind you, but you could do it. Even so, I would be surprised if I were you if someone asks why you feel a certain way. Just saying "I just do so fuck off" so to speak would seem to be a discussion ender. Not what people expect when they come to a place for a discussion.

[TexasObserver]

30. Incorrect: Your claim that those who say so are trying to hurt Kerry.

Those who argue Kerry is owed are his stauchest supporters. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[blm]

34. Baloney - His staunchest supporters here are wellknown by me, and none of them claim

he is OWED as the reason he deserves the appointment. Nor would they REPEAT the lie that Kerry is pressuring Obama for the job, when we all know he HASN'T done that and WOULD NOT.

[TexasObserver]

36. You're in denial. They're the only ones pushing that meme.

NO ONE is pushing that meme except staunch Kerry supporters.

[ProSense]

37. BS! Saying it doesn't make it so. n/t

[TexasObserver]

46. That's why your saying it doesn't make it so.

Please stop lying. I know it's difficult for you to tell the difference between reality and your imagination, but try it.

[ProSense]

58. No, your assertion is complete nonsense

Kerry is eminently qualified for the position. Kerfry's staunchest supporters are advocating based on his qualifications, not cronyism.

[TexasObserver]

63. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7874799&mesg_id=7877613

[beachmom]

72. You are lying about JK supporters. I have shown you the thread,

and it was NOT started nor endorsed by Kerry supporters. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

[TexasObserver]

74. Now, now. You're going to have to go into "time out" if you can't play nice.

It's against the rules to accuse a poster of lying. Do I need to report you, or will you police yourself?

[beachmom]

80. Your posts here are proven lies. Too bad if you don't like it. nt

[last_texas_dem]

84. TexasObserver, it looks like you just accused another poster of lying in post #46 on this thread.

Is this post meant to be tongue-in-cheek?

[JI7]

92. look at post # 46, YOU accused someone of lying

[LittleClarkie]

101. A fine one you are to talk about playing nice

Still waiting for a decent discussion out of you that doesn't include condescension.

[ProSense]

78. You've been chumped and have nothing. Your response doesn't even make sense. n/t

[blm]

38. Baloney - go to JK forum and try and make that claim. I'll bet an apology that you WON'T find

anyone there who will claim that Kerry should be given the position because he is OWED. Everyone there knows Kerry's actual record of service which is quite lengthy, especially on foreign policy. Of course we also KNOW how much Kerry has done for Obama and that has been discussed, but, no one there would EVER claim that THE reason for Kerry to get a serious position like SoS should be payback.

We find that claim to be INSULTING to Kerry and Obama. We also are well aware of the type of planted stories by malicious figures that always manage to show up when the powerstructure feels threatened. Anyone who paid attention to the Alito filibuster got a crash course in how they do it....or the trumped up dropped pronoun outrage.

[TexasObserver]

49. Never heard of it, and don't intend to go there.

I'll let the outliers go there and pass around your communal crying towel.

The John Kerry is owed meme is not one advanced by anyone except Kerry loyalists.

You guys really need to buy a clue. Kerry has his talents, but your assessments of his talents are absurd. Like you even know the guy.

[blm]

52. The JK forum is HERE at DU. You claim the posts are his staunchest supporters - I know they are NOT.

And you would know it, too, just by clicking the link, and you'd stop making baseless claims about Kerry's supporters here driving the perception that he is owed.

[TexasObserver]

55. GD and GDP matter. Your topic forum doesn't.

Why don't you guys try to accept that not everyone swoons over Kerry the way you few do?

He's clearly an exceptional senator, but John Kerry's run-on sentence habit is not conducive of the role of the Sec of State.

So you just get as mad as you want. Hold your breath. Grumble under it. Do whatever you always do when you don't get your way, but soldier through it. He'll get something.

[blm]

57. You made a claim about his staunchest supporters spreading the Kerry is OWED posts. We are NOT.

The proof is there, but you invested yourself in claiming supporters are posting that BS, even though it is becoming more APPARENT that Dem operatives have set up memes against Kerry and Richardson...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7877392

[TexasObserver]

62. Relief in two easy steps: 1) get a crying towel, 2) use it.

[blm]

67. Not a cry at all...just a staunch belief that TRUTH matters.

.

[TexasObserver]

75. Your Waaahmbulance is on the way.

Give it a rest. You've got your opinion, such as it is. Accept that your opinion is just that.

[blm]

79. Opinion based in REALITY - if YOU had any proof staunch Kerry supporters want payback

for Kerry from Obama as you claim then you'd have posted it instead of posting silly attacks.

BTW....since I'm at it, I care little for how TALENTED politicians use their skills if they use them to protect BushInc and the fascist agenda. I DO praise Dems, and especially Kerry, for using their skills to advocate for open government and uncover government corruption. That may not impress others, but, for an increasing number of us it's a serious advantage for a lawmaker to have a record filled with actions that displayed courage and integrity.

And the hardest job IN government is uncovering and exposing the corruption of the Bushes and their powerful cronies.

[wisteria]

91. We know him a lot better than you do apparently. n/t

[karynnj]

65. Not true - look at the people on the DU JK group and look at

those who started the threads.

There is a difference between arguing whether Kerry did a lot for Obama - and going the next step and saying that he is owed anything because of it.

[beachmom]

70. You are full of it. Here is the thread that says Kerry is OWED SoS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7869232

Absolutely NOT started by a Kerry supporter (I have never even heard of the poster). And funny thing: you posted in that thread, so you know damned well no Kerry supporter was saying Obama OWED Kerry the job. Instead, what you argued was that Kerry didn't help Obama, which is of course, preposterous, since Kerry's decision to have Obama give the keynote in '04 was what catapulted Obama to the national stage.

[TexasObserver]

77. your unhappiness is not my problem

I;m sure in real life no one listens to you, and that shows in your posts here.

I know I don't.

[beachmom]

81. Personal attacks don't change the fact you have ZERO proof JK supporters

are pushing the meme that JK is OWED a job. I have shown that it was an unknown poster who is not a Kerry supporter who pushed it. With responses from JK supporters who disagreed with his/her assertion. You assertions have been debunked.

[wisteria]

89. No, sorry you are wrong and way off base in accusing Kerry supports of

just pushing the idea that he is owed this. He doesn't need to push and we don't need to suggest he is owed anything because he is the best qualified for this postion. The best one for Obama and this country.

[karynnj]

64. Not true - most of us have NOT said Kerry is owed anything

and have added his and his spokeswoman's denials. What we have done is to counter other people's negative opinions. Like yours - even though you also state that you do like and respect him - then insult him.

[TexasObserver]

76. pfffft

You've posted the same thing 100 times the past day. Get some fresh material.

[karynnj]

83. Great - you just admitted that I posted the same thing as this

100 times ad day - and it is 100% different from your contention of what we were saying. Thanks for disproving your own case. (by the way your posts were all completely the same and rude in many cases.

[wisteria]

88. I think he is deserving and well qualified for the position.

It isn't all about what is owed. It is about respecting someone who has been there for you, supported you and helped you when you need help. Kerry has advised Obama on foreign affairs and Obama has taken his advise. Qualifications and love of ones country count more and Kerry has and demonstrates these. He is a true patriot and would do anything to help Obama and our country too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. A cabinet position is not a reward. It is not "payback" for anything.

At least it shouldn't be. Whoever gets SoS or any other appointment will -- I hope -- get it for the sole reason that he or she is considered to be the best person for the job. It should not be awarded out of a sense of obligation to someone. I believe Obama will choose his cabinet on the basis of merit only. Kerry is certainly qualified, as are several others. If he is chosen it won't be because it's "owed" him.

[blm]

5. And THAT is exactly why the meme is being pushed. To diminish the fact that he is GREATLY qualified

by lying first off that he was lobbying for the job - he did NOT. Second, the spreading of the meme that Obama OWED Kerry and HAD to give it to him.

[Why Syzygy]

9. You know I'm not the biggest fan of Kerry's

.but I did note a desperate tone in those pushing the premise. They make Kerry look like someone who needs an awful lot of defending. And, that just isn't the case with great men, leaving my personal opinion aside.

[Unbowed]

8. Amen.

I happen to prefer Kerry, but think it's the qualifications of the person in the position that matters, not any political reason. Kerry is extremely qualified. So are others who have mentioned. The way I see it is that SoS would be a retirement position for Kerry. It's a position he handle easily. He may be ready for that or he may not. If he is not, look for him to start rattling a few cages.

[wisteria]

93. Nice post! n/t

[ProSense]

4. Leave it to an asshole over at TNR to prove your point

15.11.2008

Let Hillary Cover For Summers

Asking Hillary to head the State Department might create some headaches for Obama, but could help him in at least one extremely important way: by giving him cover to appoint Larry Summers as Treasury Secretary.

As Jon Chait notes, some feminists are already pushing back against a Summers appointment--saying impolitic remarks he made while President of Harvard should disqualify him for the job. But if Obama announced Hillary will be Secretary of State and then appointed Summers, it would surely remove some of the sting.

That would allow Obama to head off any resurgence of the identity politics that paralyzed Bill Clinton's first term, while simultaneously putting the best economic mind available in charge solving our most pressing problem--the economic crisis. As an added bonus, it would keep John Kerry and Bill Richardson from heading up the State Department.

WTF?

[blm]

6. TNR doesn't WANT anyone but one of their pet hawks in the position at State.

.

[wisteria]

95. This little assessment misses two major points, SOS should not be viewed as a

game of chess and Hillary would be a disaster in this position.

[wisteria]

96. Don't they just love Lieberman at that site? m/t

[Honeycombe8]

7. You don't seem to know that Kerry is actively seeking the SOS, & this has been an embarrassment to

this has been an embarrassment to him.

The alternative choices should have been kept a secret, so as not to embarrass Kerry...or Richardson. But then I don't know if Kerry leaked that he was seeking the position; I don't know who did that.

All of these people deserve quid pro quo for their endorsements and the campaigning they did on Obama's behalf. And they are all fully capable of handling just about any job in the cabinet.

Tough decision. I'd hate to have to be the one to make the cabinet decisions.

[blm]

10. You don't seem to know that Kerry never ONCE lobbied for SoS - it's a LIE, a MEME being spread in

order to undermine the selection.

YOU fell for it. YOU spread the meme.

[fedupinBushcountry]

After all these years

you'd think DUers would quit drinking the media kool-aid. :crazy:

[Honeycombe8]

18. What makes you think that? I heard it "reported," & the name of Kerry's person given...

the one who confirmed that Kerry is seeking the position. Although he is not the one who revealed it.

Of COURSE he's seeking it. Just as Richardson is.

Nothing wrong with that, is there? I didn't think so.

[blm]

21. No - he is NOT and issued a statement saying exactly that. A statement he should never hace HAD to

make but for the mischief of those working to thwart it.

The same network of Dem 'officials' who planted stories against Kerry when he led Alito filibuster....they wanted it to appear as if it was merely a publicity stunt as they did NOT want a filibuster to succeed.

[beachmom]

71. Oh, you mean this statement by a Kerry spokesperson:

http://www.politickerma.com/jeremyjacobs/1889/kerry-camp-reports-interest-sec-state-job-are-ridiculous

Kerry camp: Reports of interest in sec. of state job are ‘ridiculous’

By Jeremy P. Jacobs, PolitickerMA.com Reporter

In spite of mounting speculation suggesting otherwise, John Kerry's spokeswoman said Monday that the senator is not interested in joining President-elect Barack Obama's administration.

Kerry's name has been frequently mentioned as a possibility for secretary of state and some reports have gone so far as to say he is interested in the post.

Brigid O'Rourke, the Boston Democrat's spokeswoman, called those reports "ridiculous."

"This is the political silly season when media speculation is rampant about the new administration," she said. "John Kerry just won an overwhelming victory for his 5th term in the United States Senate and he's not looking for any job other than the one he already has. Any assertion otherwise is simply ridiculous and flat out untrue."

[MessiahRp]

24. Once again... 100% agree with you blm...

I was telling my friends this as well. Kerry's people made public statements saying he was not lobbying for the SOS job and that it would take something compelling to get him out of his Senate seat. Look, he would be the most qualified between himself, Hillary and Richardson but I highly doubt he even wants it that badly.

One thing I mentioned to my friends was that why does it seem like Kerry's the only person "lobbying" or "jockeying" for a position? It discredits him and makes him look like he's groveling for a job or being overly demanding for a position that Obama might not want to give him. This is a media narrative once again aimed at attacking Kerry.

John Kerry to the RW Media is the new Ted Kennedy. Remember how Teddy couldn't do anything without taking on vitriol and mean spirited personal attacks to discredit him at every turn? Well now he got sick, has a brain tumor and John Kerry is their new target. After all they had a lot of fun making shit up about him and have proven after the 2004 campaign that nobody in the media will ever defend JK or clear him from the lies... so why not?

This whole situation appears 100% phony and just another way to make Kerry look like some desperate, unseemly character who is a cancer to the party.

It sickens me because there hasn't been a single person, let alone Senator, who has fought for us the way he has. If the media had ever done its job, we would have been re-electing him this year.

Instead the public... and most disturbingly, DUers who seem to have no problem questioning media narratives on Obama or other people, keep believing the bullshit they spew on Kerry.

Rp

[blm]

25. Some DUers like to CLAIM they are not susceptible to media, but then prove the opposite is true.

.

[Occam Bandage]

11. DUers pushing Kerry for SoS are actually trying to destroy Kerry! I'm series!!!!

[ProSense]

12. Now, that's not what the OP states is it?

A lot of people pushing Kerry for SoS believe he is the strongest candidate mentioned.

That's a hell of a lot different from saying he's owed the position, which is cronyism (and also implies that if Obams gives it to him, he's no different from Bush).

[Occam Bandage]

13. You know, it's quite possible for people to come up with a bad argument

without knowing it's a bad argument and without intending for its badness to harm the subject of their argument. I have no doubt that many do honestly believe that Obama owes John Kerry whatever he wants--and since they also believe that Kerry is by far the strongest choice for SoS, they don't see that as cronyism.

[ProSense]

16. DC pundits?

Yeah, that's why they're pushing that and the lie that he has been lobbying for it.

[Occam Bandage]

17. Never assume malevolence when ignorance or laziness will suffice. nt

[ProSense]

22. Right, lying is lazy and pushing already debunked claims is ignorance.

Some people have agendas.

[blm]

14. Not what I said - those pushing the 'meme' that the position is OWED him are doing so AGAINST

the reality of his stellar qualifications. And I am one who doesn't even WANT him to be tapped for the cabinet - I want him leading senate investigations into BushInc. I don't want his integrity to be perceived to be diminished in any way when he has the corruption of Bush2 ready to be unmasked.

Do you?

[Occam Bandage]

15. You're creating a contrast where none exists.

What I've seen is that people pushing that argument are also firmly of the belief that Kerry is by far the most qualified. I know you like to look for conspiracies, but none exists here. And to suggest that DUers saying that Obama owes Kerry diminishes his ability to do his job as a Senator...sheesh. We're not that damn important.

[blm]

19. Baloney - some of those saying it stress the payback in their ORIGINAL POSTS.

It is only after the more knowledgeable weigh in with FACTS about his record that qualification for the position is noted.

[Occam Bandage]

20. A lack of stress does not mean a lack of belief. Not sure why you think it does. nt

[blm]

23. When it comes from those with no history of backing Kerry AND the meme itself would

demean the choice, then the SOURCE should be considered as someone who intends harm. If not,then they are acting stupidly in a way that conveniently abets the malicious.

[Metric System]

29. Why do you distrust the media re: Kerry but you believe everything they say about Hillary?

[blm]

31. Baloney - media NEVER talks about the Clintons the way I do...I wish they WOULD. Don't YOU wish

the media would go deeper into how many of the outstanding IranContra, CIA drugrunning and BCCI matters were protected throughout the 90s by a Clinton administration that sided with the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes and their powerful cronies? And that a Bush2 would not have been possible if these matters were more widely revealed publically, nor a 9-11 event, nor an invasion of Iraq...wouldn't you, as a citizen who considers theirself to be RESPONSIBLE to the truth, REALLY like to hear full revelations for a CHANGE?

Of course, if you can FIND any transcript of corpmedia discussing or any article written by a mainstream news organization about this I would LOVE to see it.

[beachmom]

73. Occam Bandage: the person who wrote the thread saying Kerry is OWED the job

is NOT a Kerry supporter. This is a strawman argument. No long time Kerry supporter thinks Obama owes Kerry a job. The only thing Obama owes Kerry is some respect. So, if he picks Hillary or Richardson, Kerry should not be put down at the same time.

[wisteria]

98. Nonsense. I support the senator and I would really like to see him appointed to this position

for the good of this country and Pres. Obama as well as to gain Kerry world wide respect and recognition.

[Firespirit]

27. It will not matter. He won't be allowed to investigate anything.

I have had great respect for you, and still do, but this is delusional. There will be no investigations because the power structure won't allow it, and from the looks of it, Obama has been taken over by that very power structure.

This worthless, scumsucking, dirtbag, bait-and-switch Congress not only would not investigate the deaths of 2,500 Americans, totally needless, people who were basically murdered by their government's criminal incompetence in the wake of a natural disaster... but it would not punish the very member who purports to caucus with the majority party who REFUSED to conduct that investigation. This party cares about one thing and one thing only, power. The Lieberman Question was about what to do to punish him for speaking at the RNC and campaigning for McCain. Being a "party traitor" is more important to them than colluding in the coverup of the gross incompetence surrounding Katrina. And that was an issue that would have had massive public support, unlike anything about what Bush/Cheney/Rove did domestically or abroad. Hell, there was more consensus on Katrina than on torture. That says something about this country. But this pathetic Congress considers it more blameworthy to speak at the Republican shindig than to collude in covering that up. If they can't muster the balls to investigate something that was universally agreed upon as a national disgrace, they sure won't let anyone "go rogue" and investigate incidents of a more partisan and divisive nature.

The bad guys won, AGAIN.

[Indi Guy]

28. The only person Obama owes a favor to is W n/t

[ProSense]

32. Yeah, if prosecution is a favor. n/t

[rosesaylavee]

35. Thank you. K & R.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. That same logic applies to Hillary Clinton. There are some here who argue that she is owed.

She is NOT! I want the jobs to go to the most qualified person who will help Obama govern. Period. No one is owed anything.

[PresidentObama]

45. People are saying Clinton is owed? Maybe I'm missing these posts.

Where?

[Colobo]

40. I trust Barack. I don't wanna second-guess him.

[ProSense]

42. Trusting Barack.

Why is it that people assume Obama wants blind faith?

It's possible to fully support Obama and still debate the merits of speculation and his position on issues without it being misconstrued as a lack of trust.

Of course it's his decision, but I think everyone with any sense understands that.

[PresidentObama]

41. There is no one I trust and love more than John Kerry, but blm this thread is bullshit n/t

[blm]

43. Really? You think those claiming Kerry is OWED the position and making it a topic of dicussion have

good intentions? Peruse the threads the past week - I don't believe in mere coincidence. You may, that's your perogative. But, anyone who watched Kerry being slimed for Alito filibuster and then slimed again for 'botched joke' can recognize the tactics being employed.

This thread WOULD BE bullshit, if it was posted in a vacuum. Since there are a number of threads that have been posted regarding Kerry being tapped because he is OWED for his endorsement and a number of threads DECRYING anyone being 'OWED' when Kerry's name is the only one attached to the word....well...it's appropriate to note the BULLSHIT being heaped upon Kerry....yet again.

[PresidentObama]

44. Paranoid are we? Most who say JK is "owed" are people who like him, and who think he helped Obama

n/t

[ProSense]

47. Are the people who are pushing the rumor that JK is actively lobbying for the position

also "people who like him"?

[PresidentObama]

48. No, don't out words in my mouth NonSense. We both know JK isn't actively lobbying for SOS n/t

[ProSense]

53. Then stop calling people paranoid because you can't stop whining. n/t

[PresidentObama]

56. Really? I thought the OPer was the one whining.

And throwing false claims at those suggesting Kerry is owed the position.

Shouldn't you be posting a couple dozen more Clinton bashing threads?

[ProSense]

59. "Shouldn't you be posting a couple dozen more Clinton bashing threads?"

:nopity:

[blm]

60. Gee - - then what is this thread about.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7877392

[blm]

50. No, they don't. His real supporters would put that far down on the list WHY he'd get it if he did.

And the JK forum would be a the best place to confirm that. The 'owes' posters also spawned a number of threads of protest over the IDEA of Kerry getting a post becauxse he's owed. You think that wasn't expected on a place like DU?

Get real. This is SAME OLD SHIT - shit that always works like a charm because of an abundance of low information Dems.

[PresidentObama]

51. "low information Dems" Wow, such an demeaning term because some think he's

owed the position....

I do not agreed that he is owed, and doubt he'll be picked. I thought he'd make a great SOS.

But I could see why some would think Kerry would be owed the job. I just don't agree with them.

Unlike you, I'm not going to go into a paranoid outrage over them being....what did you call them? D.C. Asshats?

DUers are D.C. asshats? Right

[blm]

54. No - the Dem operatives spreading the claim to be picked up by low information Dems are asshats.

And you know darn well that no one in JK forum here would CREATE THREADS to push the idea that Obama OWES Kerry the position. Why pretend we would?

And....you might be interested in this recent thread about Dem operatives spreading rumors about Obama's picks...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7877392

[beachmom]

82. That is not true. Do a history search yourself. I am unfamiliar with the posters

who pushed this idea. It certainly wasn't any of "us".

[frogmarch]

61. K&R! Thanks, blm, for

saying what needed to be said, and for saying it so well. :thumbsup:

[beachmom]

66. Amen, BLM. I also wanted him to do hearings in the Senate, but

I just can't believe the flogging he is getting in the media.

[blm]

69. He got this same intense derision for IranContra and BCCI - they really don't WANT powerstructure

exposed. And unfortunately that list includes some powerful Democrats and their malicious operatives.

Posters who refuse to notice a pattern are in some serious denial about the influence of the Bushes and their cronies on some of our Dems.

[JPZenger]

68. Kerry as Attorney General

John Kerry should be in the cabinet. Considering his work on Senate investigations over many years, and his commitment to civil rights, I believe he would be best suited as Attorney General. It is also important to consider that his seat will stay Democratic if he resigns.

[wisteria]

86. Kerry should get the position because he is the most qualified,

possess the most expertise and shares the same vision for our country and the world as President-elect Obama. SOS requires an individual that above all else, is an extension of the President himself. He speaks on behalf of the president and for the president. A person in that position should be so close to the president on matters of state that this person can almost read the presidents mind. This person has to be trusted to be loyal and carry out the presidents wishes and concerns in a forceful yet respectful way. This position - in these dangerous times- will require a unique individual that really comprehends what is at steak and sees this position as a way of benefiting our country before him or herself. Frankly, I see no one more qualified to fill these tall shoes than Senator Kerry.

[PBS Poll-435]

100. It is so nice to see you not in "OMG" mode

Oh...wait.