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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:21 PM Original message |
Jesus fucking Christ. Cabinet positions are NOT a reward. |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yeah, I have to go with you on this. |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Exactly right. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've been surprised at the number who want the positions filled as a reward |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. agreed... |
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BlueStateGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Exactly. n/t |
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Jackeens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hear, hear, couldn't agree more! |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. True, but there will be an attempt to make it look like America |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Totally with you on this. Pick the best person, not the best "supporter" |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie. |
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Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
12. Totally irrellevant comment, SINCE EVERY ONE RUMORED CONSIDERED FOR CABINET IS OVER-QUALIFIED |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree.nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Qualifications aren't just a matter of resume. I agree that their likely |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Qualified anyway - overqualified implies they are too competent for the menial position |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. I question the concept of being overqualified for a cabinet position (nt) |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
69. Thank you |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. K & R and I bet that's how he sees it, too. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Well, actually they can be if the bottom line criteria are experience and qualifications. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
112. Bingo! Total agreement here. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. K&R |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. Exactly, if Obama followed this theory OPRAH would be VP |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
88. Would that be cool or what? She would solve the auto |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. Check with Wikipedia: Spoils System |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. You can thank Andrew Jackson for a lot of things |
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knowledgeispwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
20. Agree. K&R. eom |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
21. I agree with your first sentence, and I'm willing to discuss the second. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Second sentence of the subject, or of the body text? |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The subject. I think that if you have equally qualified individuals, granting a position to someone |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. Seriously. Whatever happened to wanting the smartest person in the room for the job? |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. What happened is that |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. Maybe, but he REALLY owes Tina Fey... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. Fortunately our President Elect agrees. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. Co-sign. They're the president's subordinates, and he picks them for his reasons. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. Right, but IF the person has QUALIFICATIONS AND has busted butt to get PREZ Obama elected, why not? |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
28. Nonsense. As a 9th generation German/English/Irish/French-American citizen I demand representation! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
29. I agree. nt |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. Exactly -- cronyism and loyalty aren't the same thing, although many people on DU seem to think so |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
31. Agreed and I think Kerry would be a bad choice for SOS but |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
32. Me too post. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Jesus fucking Christ. DU donations are NOT a reward. nt |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. GB's thinking is much too rigid. No Cabinet post for him. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Give it credit; he's goal-oriented. nt |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
79. Yeah, but he seems almost robotic. |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
76. Using that term once was bad enough, but twice? ...I'm not the most religious person, |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. The first was in earnest, the second in mockery of my OP. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
119. I am a very spiritual Christian and I think Jesus has bigger fish to fry, so to speak. |
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hvn_nbr_2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
39. Rewards are ambassadorships to Baldoricretistan. Cabinet posts are... |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. k&r |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. Nuff said. |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
43. So there is no such thing as |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Recognition and approval are not the same thing. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
44. THANK YOU. And simply comparing Hillary's record of accomplishments to other individuals |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. That's true - they completely pale next to Kerry's |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. Someone had to say it. Geeez... |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. Well, they are -- just a lttle -- you're not going to reward your enemies. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Not exactly true. Many Presidents have appointed political rivals to cabinet spots. nt |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. Thank you for stating the truth....Jebus, people have some strange ideas about.... |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. Thank you! But I did ultimatly take back thinking this way... |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. Is this an issue? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. What brought this on is not anything the Obama campaign has said, |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Ah, I see. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No worries. Glad to help, etc, etc. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
113. Really? I haven't seen many who think a "group" is automatically "owed" anything, |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
116. No, that's not it. It is the way John Kerry has been treated. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Those trying to pre-empt Obama tapping Kerry for SoS are using 2 approaches - one that Obama 'owes' |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. In politics, cabinet positions are a reward for those who are qualified for those positions. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. I have always suspected that Jesus was not the Christ... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Everything's alright, yes, everything's fine. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I was having a silly time with your OP's subject line. (Jesus fucking Christ) |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I know. That was the chorus from the song Everything's Alright from Jesus Christ Superstar, |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. My wife keeps telling me that I have to see that movie, but it just collects dust on my shelf. |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
64. Agreed! |
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alwysdrunk (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
65. Only qualified people are being discussed |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. And I'm not calling any name that's yet been discussed unqualified. nt |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yep... it's called "cronyism" and Bush did it for years... |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. I agree, to an exent ... |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
71. Maybe no "individual" is owed a cabinet post, but |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
72. No they are made by a perfect combination of cold logic and no emotion.. |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
73. Yes and no. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
74. No.... every "group" must be represented..... "groupism" matters more than competence.... |
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underdoggie (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #74 |
92. Forget not the 46% who art Repugnants |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
75. K&R |
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ksimons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
77. big K&R |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
78. K&R |
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happychatter (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
81. one more kick - no text |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
82. All I can say is some people are waaaay overly influenced by pundit media |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
83. Dennis Kucinich |
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amyrose2712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
84. Agreed. K&R! n/t |
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ExPatLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
85. Spot on. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
86. Exactly. |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
87. Reportedly Clinton told him exactly that |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #87 |
101. I'm surprised to hear that, but if it's true, Clinton is right on the mark. nt |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
89. k&r |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
90. K & R! |
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Jackeens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
91. Confused about thread title: Is Jesus F Christ looking for a cabinet position too?! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Yes, and he's completely unqualified, despite his Close Personal Relationship with |
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Mad_Dem_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
93. Exactly! n/t |
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George II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
94. Entirely inappropriate subject line - is that really necessary to get your point across???? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. You clicked, didn't you? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
95. Unless you're BFEE. Then conflict of interest is the only litmus test |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
96. exactly. we just had 8 years of 'friends' |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
97. K&R |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
98. * was stupid, Obama is not... |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
102. 100% Agree. I trust my President to fill his cabinet with "the smartest motherfuckers in the room" |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
103. excellent post |
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poetsdream (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
104. I totally agree |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
105. I largely agree. I tried to explain that about the presidency to my mother-in-law |
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Demi_Babe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
106. mouth already...enough!!! :-( |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
107. K and R |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
108. Look, goddammit. I put in about 10 hours on the phone for Obama, and I DESERVE .... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. If you are anything less than Ambassador to France, it's over between Obama and me. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
109. Do you know that Bill Clinton tapped Freeh and KEPT Woolsey as a nod to RW and neocons at TNR? |
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Castleman (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
110. Clinton belongs in the cabinet, and SHOULD be there |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
111. I agree. And I believe Obama understands that. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
115. No, they are not owed cabinet positions, but they ARE owed some respect. |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. OB, well put |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
118. Crass bragging: |
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. But what you said, needed saying. You did it very well. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
121. Well, in reality . . . |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
122. Disagree in part |
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Revlon10 (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
123. kicked and Recommended. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
124. agreed n/t |
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