This just in from CNN regarding Hillary's meeting with Obama

[ProSense]

November 14, 2008

Obama asks Clinton if she is interested in secretary of state post

Posted: 05:30 PM ET

From CNN's Gloria Borger, CNN's Jessica Yellin, CNN's Sam Feist

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Multiple Democratic sources tell CNN that President Elect Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton had a “serious discussion” Thursday to gauge Clinton’s interest in the post of Secretary of State, if she were offered it. Senator Clinton’s response is unknown, although multiple sources agree that Hillary Clinton was left with the impression that if she were interested in the post, it would be hers.

“There was a serious discussion to determine whether, if offered Secretary of State, she would accept it,” said a source close to the Obama transition.

In these circumstances, that source added, a president-elect does not meet with potential cabinet secretaries unless they are serious about making an offer.

Another source close to the Obama transition team told CNN, “this (asking Clinton to be Secretary of State) has been of great interest to Obama for awhile. You’ve got to assume that Hillary Clinton did not come to visit the city of Chicago.”

Over the course of the last 24 hours, sources close to Hillary Clinton have softened their one-time solid public position that she would not be interested in a cabinet position. Those sources now say that Hillary Clinton is clearly contemplating various ways in which she can serve the Obama Administration.

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[Skwmom]

1. Of course she'll take it? Do you think that the Clintons want to be associated

with the economic collapse, which has barely begun?

Righting the foreign ship is going to be ALOT easier than tackling our domestic problems. They can take credit for improving and resolving foreign policy issues while whispering if only we were given the chance to do the same for the domestic side. In all likelihood, this country will be so bad off domestically that even the right wing will vote for those two. My money is on a Clinton challenge in 2012 and Team Obama has given them a GREAT platform from which to launch it.

[Median Democrat]

3. Given The Big Bush Mess, You'd Have To Be A Masochist To Take It On

Consider this. Not only do you have two wars, but the SoS will need to have the knowledge, experience and skill to work with the Treasury Secretary to coordinate on global financial policy to deal with the aftermath of Bush's screwed up economic policy. Plus, the SoS has to deal with a more belligerent Russia, in addition to Pakistan, Iran and Al Queda. Yup, fun, fun, fun.

[Skwmom]

6. Again, the foreign front will be a piece of cake compared to the domestic front.

It wasn't only the Bush economic policy that screwed this country. But what the heck, being wrong on critical issues seems to be a pre-requisite for public office. This country is so screwed.

[Median Democrat]

9. Today, There Is Not A Clear Delineation Between Domestic and Foreign

Look at the Economic Summit. The major topic being discussed is the global financial crisis, which has significant repercussions on the domestic economic front. For better or worse, globalization is eliminating the ability to cleanly separate domestic and foreign policy.

[karynnj]

39. Quick Quiz - who is a senior member on both Finance and SFRC?

There is only one person. Now there may be people skilled in all this outside the Senate.

[sufrommich]

5. Ridiculous. Do you have some proof that she was offered

a "domestic" position and turned it down for SOS? She is not going to turn on him in 2012,that's incredibly preposterous.

[Skwmom]

8. I never said she was offered a domestic position but I think her and Bill are

smart enough to see the domestic tsunami which is fast approaching. As far as challenging him in 2012, why in the word do you think that is preposterous? Bill wants back in the Whitehouse and he ain't getting any younger.

Compared to the domestic front, I think great strides will be made on the foreign front and the Clintons will get the credit for that. If things are really bad in 2012 (which in all likelihood they will be) Bill Clinton can sell the challenge as keeping the Democrats from losing the Whitehouse. Oh, and putting country before party because America needs the Clintons to ride to the rescue.

[Chorophyll]

13. "The Clintons."

Sorry, but that just drives me nuts. She is her own person. It sounds like Fox News up in here.

[sufrommich]

14. Hillary Clinton will not break with her own party and

run against the President in 2012,but carry on with your hateful little fantasy.

[northernlights]

16. "I think her and Bill?"

1. it's "she and Bill," unless you want to be mistaken for a freeper, in which case by all means leave it as "her and Bill"

2. While the economy is staring us in the face, foreign policy is a major nuclear disaster in the offing. Al Qaeda is very close to taking over Pakistan's failing government. Both its government and military are filled with Al Qaeda sympathisers (which is why it was so stupid for Bush to hand the capture of bin Laden at Tora Bora to them, unless, of course, Bush wanted to keep bin Laden on the loose to hold up as a boogey man whenever needed).

Obviously if al Qaeda succeeds in grabbing control of Pakistan, they control a nuclear state. It will make their Afganistan training camps look like boy scout camp.

Last week, "sources" were telling the pundits that Obama was talking to Bill Clinton about having him work with India and Pakistan to solve the Kashmir conflict, which would go a long way to stabilizing the Pakistani government and neutralizing the Al Qaeda threat there. The Clintons are very and respected loved in that part of the world, so hold a lot of influence.

[dysfunctional press]

43. her "domestic" position is her senate seat.

if she stays in the senate, she'll have some VERY tough issues to deal with.

s.o.s. will expand her resume for a run in 2012.

[musicblind]

19. You have an irrational hate and paranoia about the Clintons

one that is not at all founded in any sense of reality. I could understand "she rubs me the wrong way" but looking at your posts today... it really seems that you do not base yourself in the real world.

[Skip Intro]

47. agreed.

obvious.

[truedelphi]

24. I don't know which of these two puzzles has me more confused

Why did he fight so hard to beat off Hillary, if he wants all her people and all her policies and now Hillary herself?

And why did I bother to care about the Hillary/Obama slug out fest?

[Beacool]

49. Because the word "change" is just a campain slogan.

It's politics..........

:shrug:

[wisteria]

51. Yes, I voted for Obama because I thought we would see change and the Clinton's would fade away.

Now, all I hear about are Clinton people being brought on board.

[trueblue2007]

41. I hope she doesn't take it. PLEASE HILLARY.....STAY IN THE SENATE.

The Senate needs your leadership.

[KittyWampus]

2. She has zero experience relevant to being a Secretary of State. Not buying it.

[Quixote1818]

22. Yes she does

"She is a beloved figure around the world. She has visited over 80 countries, as first lady and senator together," the aide told the Huffington Post. Noting the fact that Clinton learned as first lady how to be effective as a "backdoor diplomat," the former White House assistant said Clinton mastered "a lot of the intricacies of these issues before ever joining the Senate's Armed Services committee. She's tough; she had meetings with some Prime Ministers and Presidents where she had to deliver some blunt messages for us."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/clinton-met-with-obama-ab_n_143810.html

[SwampG8r]

42. and...and....what about her 18 million votes ?

she is an anchor holding us to a broken past.

[Cosmic Charlie]

4. well, well. so he didn't actually offer it up.

looks like he just asked to see if she wants to be vetted for it.

[Name removed]

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[Whisp]

10. she can't take it if she won't/can't do the 60 question thing.

Obama made the gracious offer, she has to refuse. Onwards and upwards.
It'll be Kerry or Richardson.

[zbdent]

11. hmm ... it was reported that when Bush met Obama, Bush was demanding that

any help to the auto industry was only available if Obama rolled over for a free trade deal ...

and that Bush poo-pooed the reports of that ... so their sources are blowing smoke out their asses ...

[salguine]

12. Oh, no. No!

[xchrom]

15. senator clinton would make a great SOS -- nt

[MoonRiver]

17. Hillary would work her heart out 24/7 to correct the * horrors.

Nobody can complain about Senator Clinton's work ethic,knowledge of international affairs, or professional competency.

HILLARY FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!! :kick:

[autorank]

23. IWR

http://electionfraudnews.com/MoneyParty/TheyKnew.htm">They knew the truth well before the Iraq War Resolution

[Metric System]

26. Well heck, the IWR rules out Kerry for SOS too. Also, what about Biden?

Note: This is a defense of Hillary, not an advocacy for her to be named SOS. As I've said in many threads (and Hillary herself has said), she is happy in the Senate.

[ProSense]

28. BS!

Kerry is not Hillary

[Metric System]

29. They both voted for the IWR. Period. Quit with the revisionist history.

[ProSense]

30. She couldn't muster the courage to say she was wrong. She continued saber rattling Iran.

Hillary is hawk. Period.

[Metric System]

33. That's your opinion and you're welcme to it. I vehemently disagree. There's no use in arguing with

you given your low opinion of her.

[ProSense]

36. No, it's not just my opinion

other's have expressed the same thing.

Until the Obama makes his position clear, it's apparent the conflicting reports are simply rumors.

[joshcryer]

45. Too many Hillary haters ignore and dismiss her IWR speech.

Far too many. It's dispicible.

[Beacool]

50. She showed more courage by refusing to vow down to pressure and apologize

for something that she did which at the time she thought was correct. As for the Iran resolution, at least she bothered to show up and vote her conscience, unlike the nominees of both parties. They were the only two senators not to vote on it.

[karynnj]

37. One spoke out before the war, one did not

Everything is not yes/no - the fact is that HRC was not against the invasion when it occurred (per her comments to code Pink days before) Kerry did speak out - at Georgetown University on Jan 23, 2003 and on a December 2002 MTP - as well as other times. He spoke of being on the phone with Koffi Annan on the weekend before the invasion. (The latter during a period when Kerry was recuperating from surgery.) Kerry was labeled "anti-war" for the first half of 2003 - no one labeled the Clintons anti-war.

They were on opposite sides in 2006 as well. Kerry pushed an exit plan - the Clintons thought it politically unwise - but half a year later, HRC moved to a plan similar to Kerry's.

[Metric System]

38. He voted for it. Stop splitting hairs.

[karynnj]

40. It's not splitting hairs

If you believe HRC's reasons for voting for it, why did she remain silent when it was clear Bush was not going to war as a last resort? To me it makes a difference - if it doesn't to you, that's your right.

Not to mention, WHAT ABOUT 2006! There Kerry was right and she wasn't.

[joshcryer]

46. Hillary had nothing to apologize for.

She, like any rational politician of the time, knew that Bush was going to war anyway.

[No Elephants]

54. Under the COTUS, only Congress has power to declare [or authorize]

war. Besides, there is a significant difference between Bush going to war and Congress authorizing him so to do. It took courage to vote against that resolution. Almost all of them lacked it. However, some of them thought the invasion was a good idea, despite the glaring absence of a post invasion strategy.

[autorank]

53. Every citizen should hold them accountable and all the other Yes votes.

I hold any member of Congress responsible for voting for that war and strongly believe that they
knew, truly, that the rationale was entirely too weak. They're less responsible than the White
House which deliberately rewrote and inverted the intel community judgment on the circumstances
in which Hussein would be a threat to the US (from the suppressed part of the report - if the U.S.
attacked and Hussein felt his survival was threatened). Congress didn't know that particular crime but they
did have access to the information at that link. Read it and see if you can make a case for
war or a case that this information, most of it available, isn't absolutely clear that the odds
were that there was no threat.

On HRC's job opportunity:

I think it's a clever offer, tactically. If she says yes, then she's out in 2012 in case anything
goes wrong between now and then and Obama is weakened or he simply does one term and wants to select
his replacement. Also, she becomes his "subordinate."

If she says no and things go well, she's out f the loop for the rewards. If she says no and things
go poorly, then she stood on the sidelines when Obama asked for her help.

I do think that the Emanuel nomination was a very good move even though I thought he did a terrible
job of recruiting (for the most part) in 2006 (for the House). The first two years will see all the
goof balls and real nasty people emerge. You couldn't find a better person than Emanuel to wipe
the floor with them. It also keeps him in-house so that he's not cooking up anything on his own
that might conflict with Obama's agenda.

Interesting world. Who knows.

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Dems, the primary is over. Forget everything you heard back then. Reboot your computer.

Hillary Clinton is not the enemy. She was just the other candidate and Democratic contestants for the party's nomination always fight like a pair of rabid wolverines trapped in a burlap sack during the primary.

She does not hold any hard feelings. Obama does not hold any hard feelings. None of it was real. It was all an act.

[mkultra]

20. im trying but im stuck in POST

im ill come up eventually but im getting parity errors.

[musicblind]

21. Exactly! NONE of it was real. It was an act... that is a large part of what a campaign is! n/t

[Metric System]

25. I think I've read too many threads today because I can't even tell if this is sarcasm or not.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

27. I will admit it, I am a Hillary hater

but I would have no problem having her as SOS. A cabinet member is just an employee of the President. She will do whatever Obama tells her to do. Wasn't Condi Bush's puppet? Hillary can be SOS for a couple of year, resign, and set off for the sunset. I have no problem with this. I think the most important cabinet positions are Treasury, Defense, and Attorney General. I want her no where near these pistons.

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[ErinBerin84]

32. they sort of reported on the Bill Richardson meeting tonight too

And Candy said that Bill came away thinking the SOS position was not a done deal for anyone yet, and Candy could not confirm whether he would be a second choice in the case that Clinton declined, or whether they are equally a possibility at this point...aka they knew nothin'.

[Thrill]

34. Abraham Obama

[wisteria]

52. Please, we are not in the middle of a civil war and this is not the 1800.n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

35. HHS would seem to fit her agenda more. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

44. not nearly enough exposure.

she'd be better off in the senate than secretary of hhr.

[paulk]

48. in other words

the job will not be offered unless she's willing to accept it.

pretty simple

(emphesis added)

[davidpdx]

55. It really could be to just gauge her interest and the whole SOS

part of it is getting blown out of proportion. I guess we'll only know when it actually happen.

Another thread that decended into flames.

[sohndrsmith]

56. why am I starting to get that "icky" feeling (again) that this story is

being pushed and promoted by the Clintons... something about this just feels off. I have nothing to back this feeling up with (other than a wholly intuitive and arguably fallible red flag alarm going off in my brain), but I'm becoming increasingly concerned that there may be some bullying-by-media going on here. It's not unprecedented, but I really don't want it to be happening. Not that I think Obama would succumb to it if it were...

Something just doesn't feel right to me. Anyone else here have the same (or similar) feeling? This Clinton media blitz just doesn't seem to fit with what Obama has shown as his style of management, organization or process. It does, however, resemble a more dramatic, heavy-handed Clintonesque approach.

Am I imagining things? This just doesn't fit with anything Obama's done thus far...

[fed_up_mother]

59. Team of Rivals. Get used to it.

[TwilightGardener]

57. How can she head up the entire State Dept. when she was a shitty executive of her own campaign?

I guess Condi forever lowered the bar.

[fed_up_mother]

58. Neither side is denying this. I think she's going to take it.