Hillary will not be SOS. This is just another attempt to drum up division within our Party.

[Cosmic Charlie]

Every time a big position comes up, the speculators go crazy about Hillary and whip her supporters hopes up.

This only serves to reopen old wounds of disappointment when she is not picked in the end.

Why do we fall for this Media Buzz Kill every time?

Let Obama choose his Cabinet and reveal his decisions in his own time.
He will not be pressured by 'leaks'.

[DJ13]

1. I agree, but Im not sure this comes from the GOP

The DLC aint happy they failed to win the WH.

They've been known to operate behind the scenes in much the same way the GOP does.

[Cosmic Charlie]

3. exactly, whoever is doing the 'leaking' is no friend of Obama

[Metric System]

5. No friend of Hillary either.

[Cosmic Charlie]

6. you're right. I'm sure she is tired of being put through this.

[breadandwine]

42. The leak is said to be coming from two sources in the Obama camp.

And Hillary went to Chicago to meet with the transition team. Sounds pretty serious and legit to me.

[Hieronymus]

127. Richardson and McCain went to Chicago to meet with them, too.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

2. I WOULDN'T TRUST ANDREA EVER

[backscatter712]

10. Andrea's proven to be less than reliable.

She always looks really bitchy when reporting on Democratic stuff - methinks she's always looking for some sort of angle to make us look bad...

[Honeycombe8]

38. When was she less than reliable? nt

[ErinBerin84]

46. she did some sketchy reporting during the Scooter Libby trial

Made up shit like "the American people want Scooter Libby pardoned", etc, when she was really close to the case. Also, I remember her trying to say that Hillary was calling superdelegates and saying that Obama couldn't win because he was black. I only trust Andrea half of the time, but there are certainly other reports she did that turned out to be wrong that I can't name off the top of my head right now.

[Honeycombe8]

52. She never said Obama couldn't win because he's black.

Maybe that's what you heard in a discussion on WHETHER he could win. But I watched at least 20 hours of political coverage every week, without fail...and saw Andrea Mitchell almost every day. She never said that. Which makes sense. Even if she thought that, she's too much of a pro to say that on national TV.

It's true she's not in the left's corner and push-newsreporting. It's true she's not overly sympathetic with the left. But she seems to be for the most part a pro who reports cold, hard facts...whether anyone likes the facts or not.

The right considers her in the pocket of the lefties. Which means she is unbiased.

[w4rma]

53. No, that doesn't mean she's "unbiased". She's definitely biased. (nt)

[ErinBerin84]

57. yes, Andrea DID most definitely say that.

There were about 5 DU threads on it...I wasn't a supporter of Hillary at the time, but even I was like "I don't trust Andrea". It was on Hardball...she said it was what superdelegates were telling her, that she was saying Obama couldn't win and superdelegates thought it had a "racial tinge" (not racist, but that she implied he couldn't get enough hard working whites) to it or something. And she reported it as if it were fact that Clinton was doing this. This must have been something you missed in your 20 hours of political coverage watching or whatever.

[bdamomma]

49. I don't trust Andrea either.

[Metric System]

4. Huh? None of us (her supporters) are clamoring for her to be SOS. She has publicly stated she is

happy in the Senate. Division is caused by the attacks against Hillary that inevitably arise whenever she is the focus of a discussion here. I assure you that, as a hardcore Hillary supporter (the non-PUMA variety), I could give a shit whether she is named SOS. She has a great job in the Senate.

[emilyg]

7. Thank you. Well put.

[Cosmic Charlie]

8. it's not her supporters pushing this, but they will be the ones let down

I agree, she is a much stronger force in the Senate.

[murielm99]

18. I was a Clinton supporter, and I do not feel the least let down.

This speculation is stupid. Hillary is needed in the Senate. She can best serve our party and the new Obama Presidency by staying where she is.

[LostinVA]

44. Yup, in the Seante or on the USSC -- she's wasted in a Cabinet position

[bdamomma]

50. I would love to see her take Harry Reid's position.

[backscatter712]

9. Either a Repub or a DLC backstabber "leaked" this.

And I say "leaked" because I doubt Obama was considering Hillary at all - this is just a completely unsubstantiated rumor started by some asshole trying to stir the shit by starting infighting, and by implying that Obama's staffers are leakers and Obama doesn't have control over them.

[napoleon_in_rags]

11. Obama needs to make Hillary a voice in this administration one way or another.

She was so widely supported. Of course SOS may not be the right place, maybe its the senate or whatever, but regardless she needs to be a voice.

[napoleon_in_rags]

12. dupe

[Beacool]

13. I won't be disappointed, I couldn't care less who Obama picks to be in his cabinet.

Hillary has more power in the senate, why should she want a cabinet position?

:shrug:

[NanceGreggs]

14. Oh, yeah, that great DIVISION in our party ...

... I keep forgetting about that - almost as though it doesn't actually exist.

Thanks for reminding all of us to be suitably concerned.

[JVS]

15. You're right.

[NanceGreggs]

16. In what respect, Charlie?

And why is it you seem to be the one fallin' for the Media Buzz Kill every time?

[Cosmic Charlie]

60. oh, I'm not falling for anything. I know she isn't the pick.

[Firespirit]

17. I hope you are right, because there certainly will be division if she is picked.

I for one will be QUITTING if she is picked.

I have no problem whatsoever with his choosing Washington insiders for certain posts, or having Clintonites on board to help with the transition. It should have been expected.

But I think a certain amount of gratitude and respect is owed to John Kerry, and picking Hillary while he wants the job (I don't believe his official staff statement for a second; I used to be staff and the statements that are not outright lies are very carefully worded) would be a direct insult to him. No other pick would be objectionable, because no other prospective SoS has such a bad history with him, and I would not take any other choice (e.g., Richardson) as a slap in his face. But for God's sake, Hillary had him as #1 on her "enemies list" during the primary for his endorsement of Obama. She backstabbed him in late 2006 over his botched joke. To reject a person who has done nothing but help Obama, and choose a known adversary of his instead who spent a lot of time and money trying to hurt Obama, shows extremely bad judgment and a great amount of ingratitude. This Party already has a problem defending its own, and if this goes forward, it's the last straw for me.

[Metric System]

20. "Ingratitude"? Obama doesn't owe Kerry or Hillary anything. Geez, and some of you view Hillary as

entitled. This post reeks of entitlement.

[Firespirit]

21. Not anything, huh?

I said nowhere that Obama owed anyone a Cabinet seat. That would be quid pro quo. But if you don't think that he owes his best and longest-standing surrogates a little deference and respect, then I don't really know what to say. There is a standing enmity between Kerry and Hillary. I can say this with absolute certainty, having been an insider before. To turn down the one, knowing he wanted the job, and pick the other, is disrespectful. Then you add in the facts about who supported whom, and who tried to undermine whom, and it becomes even more so.

[Metric System]

23. Just because Kerry wants the job doesn't mean Obama has to pick him or pick someone that Kerry likes

instead.

As for your last sentence, Hillary supported and worked hard for Obama after the primaries.

[Firespirit]

24. Hillary was forced out of the primaries and jumped on board because she had to.

And it's really not a matter of picking someone that Kerry "likes." I couldn't say whether he "likes" Richardson, Holbrooke, etc. But it does not speak well of you to stomp on your friends, politician or not.

If a friend of yours was put in a managerial position in a company, had the authority to promote someone for a specific position, and you (among others with whom you had no quarrel) were qualified for that post, yet your friend chose a known enemy of yours who was arguably less qualified (but maybe more popular), and who had spoken against his ability to be an effective manager as well, would you not see it as a direct slap in your face? A rather sad attempt to ingratiate himself with the "in crowd"?

That is the situation here.

[Metric System]

25. As President, Obama can pick whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants. Period.

[Firespirit]

26. That is a variant of the "I have the right to say it" defense used in arguments

The right to do something does not confer the right to be applauded for it.

So sure, he can be dishonorable to his friends and advocates if he wants, certainly. But there will be consequences.

[Metric System]

29. Oh my. Consequences? Sorry but I'm having a bit of fun with this. If any of us Hillary supporters

went around using words like "owes" and "consequences" we'd be mercilessly attacked. Again, this truly does reek of entitlement.

[Firespirit]

31. Well, you hit one buzzword.

I've admitted to being a former political insider, so I'm a bit surprised that you haven't gone after that as well. It's generally quite easy for Internet types to do. But, I reiterate my point: You think it's bad to say that anyone "owes" something to anyone else. This isn't about quid pro quo. It's not about owing some kind of political plum to anyone. All that is owed is respect and gratitude to one's friends. Nothing material, just basic honor. Though I can't say I'm surprised Clinton supporters can't comprehend that, considering Bill's eagerness to use the entire Democratic Party for his personal advancement and then take a metaphorical dump on it, the stench of which ("Democrats are the party of immorality!") lasted for years until the Republicans managed to one-up him in that department.

[Metric System]

34. Ugh. I think we're done now.

[murielm99]

82. If you are such an insider, how did you miss out on the basic

idea that politics should not be taken personally? Your posts are attacks against other DUers and against the Clintons. They seem very, very personal to me.

The primaries were hard-fought. Everyone, including Hillary, got on board after Obama won.

You say you will quit if Clinton is picked for SOS. Don't let the door hit ya....

[wisteria]

79. And, I can honestly say that knowing how much Kerry defended Obama,

campaigned for him, and shared his wisdom and staff, that if Obama is allowing this mockery and does not treat Kerry respectfully- I will be very disappointed in our new president to the point of not supporting him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

28. I don't know if he's really that close to Kerry or Richardson. Maybe Kennedy.

n/t

[karynnj]

54. Did you watch the Convention on Wednesday night?

Teresa Heinz Kerry sat with Michelle Obama. That in and of itself was an honor for the Kerrys. What made it more than that was - - it was obvious that they were already friends happily enjoying the evening together. In addition, Kerry's self written speech was not vetted by them - a sign of incredible trust.

I doubt they are BFF, but there clearly was higher than usual friendliness.

I suspect that the Kerry/Obama relationship has been more extensive than Obama's relationship to Kennedy, who he obvious has huge respect for. Kennedy endorsed and did a few events with Obama, but Kerry worked very hard for him all year.

[politicasista]

64. Guess people missed that part n/t

[tekisui]

39. Hillary was NOT forced out of the Primaries.

She stayed in until the last state voted. And, she lost. Nice try at revisionism.

[karynnj]

48. She stayed in AFTER the last state voted

HRC quit a week or so AFTER the last primary long after it was clear that she would not win. She even spent the last few weeks trying to push an alternative metric, "the popular vote" - which makes NO SENSE in the primary season. Even after she left, she was still speaking both of winning the "popular vote" and sexism.

The point is she did not bow out graciously at the point where it was mathematically impossible for her to win more REGULAR delegates or even at the point where Obama had the total of delegates needed to win.

[wisteria]

103. Fine, but when people see how he rewards loyalty this time out,

he won't have much support in his next run. Loyalty should count for something- not all but for something. Besides, a president should want to surround himself with as many loyal people as possible.

[LostinVA]

45. Totally falling for the OP -- division within our Party (and on DU)

[karynnj]

51. Firespirit -

Just because you used to be staff, I doubt you know for sure what John Kerry really prefers. I know that I never knew the inner thoughts and preferences of people many levels above me when I worked. If you actually do (or did) have Kerry's confidence - it is very wrong of you to violate it. Given the value Kerry places on telling the truth, I also doubt he would appreciate you calling his statement lies - as I doubt they are. My guess, though I never worked for him, is that he thinks this is Obama's decision and he has not badgered him with pleas.

Kerry really does have two possible very good alternatives - if Obama was willing to give him SoS. He will be a very senior Senator and will likely chair the SFRC. It is also entirely likely that he will a key ally of Obama. This will be the first time in his career when there is a real liberal, progressive mood in the Senate. He has used a line many times that he did not go into to government just to stop bad things, but to do good things. Though many have suggested that HRC could be the next Ted Kennedy and in reality no one will be "Ted Kennedy" - Kerry is far better positioned to follow in Kennedy's footsteps. At his victory speech in Boston, he spoke of things that needed to be done. He is involved on a broad array of issues - all of which seem important to him and he is very well positioned on committees to do them. Maybe Obama doesn't want to lose Kerry in the Senate.

As to HRC, Kerry, who genuinely forgave Nixon, likely has forgiven HRC. He really does seem to have the ability to forgive - though I would assume that there was substantial joy as she lost primaries. He has never seemed petty. He is a better person than either Clinton will ever be. Obama is the person who will decide foreign policy. He will seek advise from anyone he wants. From his speeches, he sounds closer to Kerry's views than the Clintons', but only time will show how he actually governs. If he does respect Kerry's foreign policy positions, Kerry will be in the inner circle when he makes decisions. (If he doesn't, then it would be awful for Kerry to be SoS.) The SoS implements the President's policy - and if the SoS fails to do that he/she will quickly be the ex-SoS.)

This really is Obama's choice. He also has to make the decisions considering which assignments give him the best choice of succeeding. It is clear that he is friendlier with Kerry than the Clintons - but he may see that Kerry would be a very needed ally in the Senate. (It is even clearer who Michelle Obama favored - it was very clear that she and Teresa liked each other and Michelle's face during both Clinton speeches and the Kerry one was not hard to read.) I will be surprised if Obama picks HRC for two reasons - the first is the extreme vetting process and the second is the Obama no drama preference. The Clintons are both the OPPOSITE of No Drama.

[Firespirit]

91. If he is OK with this, then I no longer give one shit what he thinks either

Forgiveness is for idiots. People are scum and will roll you at every chance they get. My very people were rolled by this worthless, gutless "Democratic" Congress, more than happy to campaign on their deaths and ruination, but unwilling to do jack squat to help them out, or even to punish the alleged member of their caucus who refused to investigate what went wrong. I cannot respect anyone who has no respect for themselves. Time will tell whether this applies to Kerry, as it apparently does for everyone else with a D behind their name.

Clearly, I am in the wrong political party, and my gut instinct at age 15 was more accurate as to where I really belonged.

[beachmom]

59. I think you need to take a look at "Team of Rivals", Firespirit to understand

precisely why this may be a good choice. In the Senate, she will be left to her devices. At State, she will be part of the team.

As to Kerry, chairman of the SFRC is a great job, too.

[Cosmic Charlie]

63. Team of Rivals! Team of Rivals! that's the Meaning of Life!!!

[politicasista]

66. Yep. Where he will be marginalized and ignored

Just like his endorsement of Obama and DNC speech were. At least in the black media and press. While others get all the big press, credit or attention.

[wisteria]

106. I don't think it is a good idea for her to have this positon and as for "Team of Rivials"

he could place her in another positon and accomplish what he wants to do- if in fact she really is that big of a problem. And, there you go again pushing the idea that temporary chairman of the SFRC is as good a position as being SOS.

[Beacool]

62. Hillary had Kerry as the # 1 enemy????????

You surely must be jesting.

Obviously she would have liked his endorsement, but he was never considered an enemy.

Richardson is another matter altogether because they did have a friendship and his late endorsement was viewed by many as being self serving.

[pecwae]

83. So quit. Who gives a shit?

[Maru Kitteh]

84. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Buh bye.

Thank God Obama is a much bigger person than some here.

[niceypoo]

124. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of the party

Have fun sulking in your corner

[ruggerson]

19. I may be wrong

but I think most people who admire Senator Clinton would be happy to see her continue in her role as Senator from NY.

[Sensitivity]

22. Wish MSM would not spread these disturbing un-sourced rumors

[vanderBeth]

27. This is what I am thinking

And who started it? Andrea Mitchell? Hmph.

[ej510]

30. Or maybe Obama believes that she would bring a different opinion.

He knows that her wouldn't be a yes woman. He wants independent thinkers in his cabinet.

[Metric System]

32. Candy Crowley and Gloria Borger were on CNN breathlessly talking about working their

sources, and how supposedly there were certain indications this story may be true. So it's not just Mitchell claiming her sources are telling her this. Personally, I find it silly that they're reporting on gossip when they have nothing confirmed.

[vanderBeth]

35. Yes, a lot of people are getting worked up about rumors.

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36. What about KO starting his show with this story?

I'm not saying you're wrong but it's hard for me to imagine that KO is trying to divide the party too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Let's hope not. Hillary's strength lies in the Senate.

[Mass]

40. The media are trying to make NoDrama Obama full of drama, that is all.

I cannot even imagine why Obama chose her (and brings the risk of being seen managed by Bill on foreign affairs), or for her to go there where she has a potentially outstanding career in the Senate that she is just starting.

[kasjaws2]

41. I am a strong Obama supporter BUT

I think this would be a great idea. I think she would make a great SoS and the world would love it. Obama wants a "cabinet of rivals" and what better way than this? I don't think Kerry would be good at the job at all.

[karynnj]

55. Welcome to DU - but why critisize Kerry just to praise HRC

Why on earth do you think that Kerry who excelled on the SFRC for 24 years and who was one of the people Obama had with him at the fp debate would not be good at this. He was after all someone brought up as the son of a diplomat. (He even corresponded with Churchill's wife as a 10 year old.) He has little baggage. (His 1971 Senate testimony is a plus in the world, though not with some here.) He is well respected in the world.

HRC actually has far less foreign policy experience. In addition, the fact that she is Clinton's wife has both pluses and minuses. They are well known and well liked, but the danger is that it could be seen as a joint presidency - which it isn't. I really can't see the Clintons really giving Obama the deference he deserved as President.

Go back to HRC's op-eds, speeches and comments in support of Obama - all of the ones I've seen have been (I stood for this and did this) (Obama is for them too - vote Obama). I was more impressed when Kerry made the FP case for Obama - listing all the positions where everyone moved to Obama's positions (including Bush) - on Iraq and a deadline, Afghanistan, NK and terrorism. All of those Obama positions were (or were close to) long held Kerry positions. (that Obama in many cases moved to), but Kerry never said that in any of the many appearances he made. Kerry has a healthy ego, you don't run for President otherwise, but he had the graciousness and the insight to realize that his purpose there was to make the case for Obama, not himself.

[politicasista]

65. **crickets** n/t

[kasjaws2]

71. you are right

I apologize, but I would prefer HC

[wisteria]

78. How do you really know what Obama wants and needs.

Frankly, to much emphasis has been placed on that book, which by the way, I have read also. If he did want to go that way there are other more qualified rivals than Clinton. And as for Senator Kerry why is it that you do not think he would be good or the job as opposed to Clinton. How much do you know about Kerry and on what examples do you base your opinion?

[Marrah_G]

43. I want her to stay in the senate.

[LostinVA]

47. Yup -- Senate or USSC

Check your PM, btw.

[Arkansas Granny]

56. It appears that it whips up those opposed to Hillary as SOS more than it does her supporters.

I'm perfectly content to let Obama pick his own cabinet and will not be disappointed if Hillary is not picked for a position. I believe she will have an important role in Obama's administration even if it's not at the cabinet level.

Edit for clumsiness.

[Skwmom]

58. It will divide more than the party. My extended family is already arguing about this.

So much for a united front. :(

[Cosmic Charlie]

61. that is the sole purpose of this 'leak'

to stir up the hornet's nest again

[bunnies]

67. as is the sole purpose of this OP.

Obviously. :eyes:

[Cosmic Charlie]

68. no, the purpose of the OP is to point out that we have been through this before

why must we go through it again??

[bunnies]

69. The only ones 'going through' anything seem to be

the anti-Hillary people. Her supporters have done nothing to warrant the treatment they're receiving.

[Cosmic Charlie]

70. other than post a hundred threads telling us Hillary will be SOS based on 'leaks'

Did the Veepstakes teach them nothing?

Obama does not cave in to pressure.

[Beausoir]

72. Keep this kicked!

[Cosmic Charlie]

73. this will be a good place to celebrate when Richardson is named SOS

[Beausoir]

75. Bill Richardson believes that being gay is a choice.

Do you support him?

[Cosmic Charlie]

76. Obama doesn't believe in Gay Marriage. Do you support him?

What are you going to do when Obama picks Bill?

[Name removed]

77. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[marimour]

81. Did you just do a search for Richardson to add this to every thread? Lol

[Zombie2]

74. I couldn't agree more.....

Even Jay Leno mentioned it on his show tonight. "Hillary Clinton being considered as SOS". *crowd applause*

(edit: K & R)

:kick:

[TexasObserver]

80. This THREAD is just another attempt to drum up division within our Party.

[JoFerret]

85. Why would Obama want to drum up division?

.

[Beacool]

86. Shhh, don't confuse the haters..............

They live with this deep seeded hatred of anything Clinton, so they wouldn't recognize their talents or achievements even if Obama posted a list on a wall of the WH. Sad........

:eyes:

[JoFerret]

88. It's very pathetic indeed. If there is one thing

we have learned about Obama it is that he is better than that.

With all that besets him and (most importantly ALL of us)...may he choose the best possible people to work on the tasks that must get done, and done well

Let the divisives shrivel and fade away. This is too important.

The petty minded need to stfu.
The WORK must be one. And done well.

[Cosmic Charlie]

89. exactly, done well is the key. that's why we hired Obama in the first place.

I'm not worried now that I know Richardson is in the running too.
That's the choice of the Obama I know and love.

[JoFerret]

92. May Obama - and the rest of us - be saved

from those who "love" him.

[Cosmic Charlie]

93. exactly, I love Obama. you 'love' Obama because he beat who you really loved

and that makes all the difference

[Beacool]

94. Yeah, he's the savior of us all.

:eyes:

[Cosmic Charlie]

96. nope, just the Leader of the Free World

in spite of all your doubts

[JVS]

98. Our President and liberator from the wicked Bushes!

:patriot:

[Beacool]

100. Well, Bush was going out the door

regardless of who won the election.

:shrug:

[Beacool]

99. So were the Bushes, Bill, Reagan, Carter, etc.

What's your point?

[Cosmic Charlie]

101. their is a difference between a President and a Leader

a President can be a Leader,
but only when we're lucky.

watch and you will see the difference.

[Beacool]

102. Yep, we'll just have to watch and see.

Won't we?

:eyes:

[Cosmic Charlie]

87. Obama wouldn't. He's busy choosing his Cabinet. But the leakers would.

They leak to create an aura of inevitability.

But when we later find out that Richardson was interviewed as well, we realize that perspective is skewed.

[AJH032]

90. Oh I think she will be SoS

you'll see.

[LynneSin]

95. How is this drumming up 'division' and why bother now?

First, I think it's a respectable choice to have Hillary as SOS - she has the experience and is respected world wide

Second - election is overwith - no need to divide us for at least a year or so.

[wisteria]

97. The Clinton media are the ones hyping this. So who is really stiring up divisions within the party?n

[Metric System]

105. The Clinton media?!? FREEPTASTIC!

You know I wouldn't mind these attacks against Hillary if they didn't sound so right-wing nutty. Clinton-bashing is one of the media's favorite pastimes.

[wisteria]

109. Sorry, but I base my comments on facts. Just watch the politcal segments on CNN for

a day or two. There is constanct mention of the Clinton's. And, since Bill no longer hold office and Hillary is only 1 of 50 senators you have to ask yourself why would they push them so hard.

[Metric System]

110. Um, maybe there's constant mention because Hillary is a high-profile politician? And many of the

commentaries on CNN are not necessarily flattering to Bill and Hillary. "Clinton baggage" is a term I hear frequently on CNN. Interesting, I thought only freepers considered CNN to be the Clinton News Network.

[JoFerret]

125. Those freepers - they are EVERYWHERE

They are SOoo powerful. Be afraid. be very afraid.

[Beacool]

129. Who might the Clinton media be?

MSNBC? Nope, in the tank for Obama since last year. CNN? A little better than MSNBC, but not by far. FOX? They had no horse on the Democratic side, so at least they were fairer than the other two.

There's no such thing as "Clinton media", quite the contrary. They mostly were Clinton bashers.

:crazy:

[TexasObserver]

104. Hillary may well be SOS. She's certainly a top possibility.

[wisteria]

107. Say's who? n/t

[TexasObserver]

108. Says Obama.

[Cosmic Charlie]

111. Obama hasn't said anything.

But there have been an awful lot of words put in his mouth.

[TexasObserver]

112. Sure he has. He met with her to discuss the position.

By doing that, he signaled that he is ready to bring her on board for the position. He's too smart to bring her in to talk without offering her the job.

You should continue to live in denial, however, since the prospect of Hillary as SoS frightens you.

[Cosmic Charlie]

113. Bill Richardson was also interviewed for SOS,

but don't let that stop you from buying the 'leaks'

and when you find a quote from Obama regarding any of this, let me know.

[TexasObserver]

116. Bill Richardson was interviewed second, and Bill R didn't have a big smile for the TV cameras

[Cosmic Charlie]

118. so now you are reading body language and tea leaves? I thought Obama said something?

Guess not.

[TexasObserver]

119. Yes, he did, but you are unable to perceive it.

Don't worry. Your anxiety will end soon enough. Take few deep breaths. Try not to worry too much about Secretary of State Clinton.

[Beacool]

122. Obama met with Hillary,

his transition team met with Richardson. Big difference.

[TexasObserver]

126. The indications are clear: he offered SoS, and Hillary accepted it.

No one was more livid with Hillary during the primary season than me, but that was the primary season. Those who cannot separate the primary high jinx from the reality of ruling should sit down and watch, and perhaps learn how politics is really done.

Hillary is a top talent. The question is how to use her. I think SofS for her is pure genius. She'll represent Obama's policies, but she'll be a Sec of State whose stature is HUGE in the world.

[Beacool]

128. I still have some misgivings about the job.

I'm uneasy about her serving at his pleasure. In the senate she's independent to express her beliefs, as Obama's SOS she has to represent his and that of the administration. What if they disagree on policy and she ends up with no job? In the senate she may not have as much seniority as some other senators, but she sure as heck is far more influential than most of them.

Ultimately, of course, it'll be her decision to make.

;)

[LowerManhattanite]

114. I'll bookmark this thread...

...just to check back and chuckle over the “usual suspects” after they've gotten their long overdue pizzas some time in the near future.


Should be a hoot. :)

[Cosmic Charlie]

115. this OP will be renamed the Bill Richardson SOS Party thread at the appropriate time

[TexasObserver]

117. Yes, we'll celebrate the new Cabinet officer!

That should be fun.

[Metric System]

120. "another attempt to drum up division within our Party." You know what causes division? The kind of

posts you've been making about this SOS story. I've seen multiple threads today with your negative comments about Hillary. Even this thread here features innuendo ("He will not be pressured by 'leaks'"), insinuating that Hillary is trying to force Obama to pick her as SOS.

Look around, where do you see Hillary supporters here making a big fuss over the SOS story? The only people I see making a big fuss over it, starting multiple threads and creating a negative atmosphere is the Usual Suspects.

[Cosmic Charlie]

121. you got me, I'm Keyser Söze.

if you'll notice, this thread was posted a few days back when there were literally 100 SOS threads claiming it was already Hillary's

and then we hear that Bill Richardson got interviewed after all those 'leaks' of certainty occurred.

no fuss, Obama's got this!

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123. Obama will pick whoever he thinks is the best choice whether that be Kerry, Hillary, Richardson,

some other name, you or me (well, scratch the last two). Hillary supporters here never made a big fuss over the SOS story. In fact, many seem divided over whether they think she's better off in the Senate than in the cabinet. Ultimately it's Obama's choice, and I highly doubt you'll see any anger from her supporters if she isn't picked.