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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:54 PM
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Palin wasn't the problem. McCain was the problem ala Ron Christie on Hardball just
now. Smerconish disagrees. I disagree. Do you disagree? I think Palin ended them and hope they run her in 2012 as the rumble between her and Mittens would be a delicious appetizer to the President Obama landslide and spanking.

Does anyone disagree, or have a different take?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:55 PM
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1. repukes have been a disaster for America
to blame it all on Ms. Palin is to let all those bastards off the hook
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:56 PM
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2. Christie is just trying to stay on her good side in case she runs...
he could care less about McCain...he knows McCain won't be running for president again. They will say whatever...especially Christie. He's a dumbass.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:56 PM
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3. I think that McCain would have lost anyway
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 07:42 PM by ErinBerin84
He just wasn't a good candidate and the issues weren't on his side...his campaign strategy was all short term. But I do think that Palin helped pull some moderate Repubs over to our side. In any case, the idea that Palin was the solution and McCain was the problem (though he was a joke too) is laughable to me.
edit to add: hurt with independents, undecideds too bc took about experience issue. Made McCain look bad, but I think he would have lost anyway.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:58 PM
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4. there's enough blame to go around, actually. the McCain campaign picked her, after all
but still she didn't have to be such a nutjob meglomaniacal white supremacist, either.

But honestly, the republican "brand" was in trouble way back in 2006.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:58 PM
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5. Ron Christie, Mr. GOP Talking Points.
They are throwing McCain overboard, if Christie says that. What a buffoon.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:58 PM
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6. We're facing serious problems in this country
How in the world could the McCain campaign expect Americans to vote for that ticket when a dimwit was running as V.P.? She was/is not a serious candidate. It was/is a big joke. No amount of time is going to change her into someone who knows enough to offer solutions to problems. I wonder if she is literate :shrug:.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:59 PM
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7. I agree with Christie...
I think he is exactly right and the GOP should move sharply to the right. Please let them take his advice.

:evilgrin:
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 06:59 PM
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8. I don't know
I think she does have a future just judging from my experience with my family and their friends at a recent gathering (tx), and they love her. They won't stop loving her just because they lost. They defended her against the recent attacks on her.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:00 PM
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9. Palin's was and is a big problem. She's a RW nut.
Even if they would make he get a US law degree, her hard nose RW ideas are bad for this Country.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:00 PM
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10. I hope that they keep thinking like that and continue down that
moth eaten path.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:02 PM
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11. McCain picked her so I guess that makes him the problem.
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:05 PM
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12. Palin wasn't the problem.
She was the snot-filled nose that comes with a chest cold. She was the horrible sensation we all feel just before we vomit. But she wasn't THE problem. The problem was that McCain and his "handlers" chose to run an almost entirely negative campaign, little knowing that every time they mentioned Barack's name, they were giving him free airtime. Their campaign (still!) has no real platform beyond "the other guy stinks."

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign had plans. They had answers. If they didn't know something, they weren't afraid to say "I don't know, but I'll find out." They resisted the urge to respond to McCain's attacks in kind, instead speaking to the needs and desires of an anxious populace. And Obama himself carried his lanky frame with a quiet cool, coming across as a much better, more modern statesman.

Don't get me wrong: Palin had a great deal to do with the failure of the McCain campaign. She continues to be a laughingstock. But she didn't sink them.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:06 PM
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13. Here's my honest answer
I was motivated for Obama prior to Palin being announced as McCain's VP candidate.

I thought McCain was bad for the country, really bad, but not *AS* bad as that asshole that still festers in the White House, since he's a retarded form of Satan.

HOWEVER, when McCain announced Palin was going to be his VP candidate, the world stood still.

Here's how the reactions to her were from me, my family and my co-workers:

DAY 1: SHOCK. We couldn't believe it. We thought she was attractive in a surgically altered sort of way, but she sounded rather odd and didn't express herself clearly.

DAY 2: Disbelief as we realized the woman had the I.Q. of a mutant frog.

DAY 3: Outrage when we realized she was not only incredibly stupid, but was trying to flirt with the audience constantly by winking, touching herself all over, blowing kisses, touching her ear lobes, and giving seductive sideway glances at people

DAY 4: WE DID NOT WALK, WE RAN TO VOLUNTEER with the Obama campaign. If anything went wrong and that middle-aged dumbass ended up as President, our country would have ended up blown off the map.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:07 PM
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14. The smartest people in the gop had the choice of the smartest for the job, but, no,
They. All. Chose. Palin.

They didn't want John's first choices because they weren't wingnutty enough.

So, he went for the numbers at the public rallys. More short-sighted idealogical crap.

Until the GOP decides it wants to be a serious party of modern reasonable post 12th century leadership,

they'll keep stepping on their own dicks and Palin will be the best they can do.

And to think, these geniuses were insulting US for 8 long years.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:24 PM
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15. Perhaps, with a better VP pick, McCain would have run a better campaign.
He might not have had to swerve to the right so much, and would not have reverted to the dirty campaign he ended up with.

A better VP would have made him more confident. I think he never felt comfortable with her, and it showed.
It affected the way he campaigned, and his attitude toward the campaign.

This is not to excuse him or give him any points whatsoever. Just my way of confirming that I think the barracuda dragged him down, way down.

I think Obama would have beaten him anyway. But his campaign would have looked a lot better.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:39 PM
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16. McC's campaign was shaky to begin with. But Palin was its doom.
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 07:40 PM by tblue
McC had one strength going for him -- his perceived advantage in the area of foreign policy.

Palin's selection obliterated this trump card, and belied the entire premise that the Republican ticket was stronger on national defense and had years of experience that made it ready to lead on Day 1. That argument died the day she was picked and even they hardly had the gall to bring it up again.

Sarah appeals to only a very narrow sector and that's it. Her base will continue to adore her no matter what she does and that will not ever change. To them she is the best thing since Jesus.

But no one else is buying her b.s. Moderate Republicans, Independents, and so-called Reagan Democrats ran -- not walked -- away from McC/Palin. Those voters could have stomached McC, but Sarah Palin totally freaked them out.






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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:41 PM
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17. I think they are trying to rehabilitate her...
Good luck with that.
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Whoa20 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 07:45 PM
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18. Pawlenty would have gotten McCain
a lot closer to winning, if not victory. Before the banking meltdown, Obama wasn't looking too swift, and McCain had the momentum. Pawlenty had the age and a lot more experience to help him out. There would have been less media distractions too. However, he may have generated less buzz. I think the McCain campaign hoped for buzz out of Palin. I think if Pawlenty himself had won, the GOP may have had a good chance against Obama.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 08:07 PM
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19. I say good for them
they'll never attrack the middle again if they go further right to keep their base...we saw this last election when they stick to their base by going further fundie and less Republican...let them, the middle doesn't like the social conservatives any more than we do...no one but that 28% -30% wants the government to meddle in their personnal lives...and by 2012 I believe gay marriage and abortions will be moot arguements...I really think they'll be taken care of by then...
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