Anyone on DU give a rat's ass what Ralph Nader and Counterpunch have to say about Obama?

[wyldwolf]

No?

I didn't think so.

[Borgnine]

1. Ralph Nader has as much relevance as Joe the Plumber.

[TexasObserver]

6. Good comparison. They're of equal importance.

[Undercurrent]

26. LOL

Ralph the Plumber!

I could care less what he says.

[AlCzervik]

2. The same Nader that referred to Obama as an "Uncle Tom" that Nader?

Nader should go away.

[onehandle]

3. Yes. That's how I know to ignore them. nt

[mzmolly]

4. Not any more than I care about what McCain/Palin had to say.

:hi:

[BunkerHill24]

5. Who is this Ralph you speak of?

[jonnyblitz]

7. I do. I am sure the fanboys/girls want nothing but affirmation

and advocacy but I care what critics from the left have to say because i probably agree with them. I just don't have the need to bring it to DU at this time. :hi:

[cali]

18. nah, I just want reasoned, factual criticism not insane lying rants

from self-important assholes. simple enough really.

[Overseas]

8. I give a rat's ass but I already know.

I may have to join with others to push some of the more progressive agenda items.

[iamthebandfanman]

11. just dont make the same mistake as nader

and completely give up on the idea that progressive change can come through the democratic party...progressives must stay united in the cause.
so long as the political scene is corporate dominated, we must use the best means to push ideas... and because we live in this two party system, the democratic party is most suitable and most capable of that change. because of its national stature, it is the best means in which to get agenda accomplished ...

nobody said itd be easy.
by all means tho, participate with many many others in many many causes ... just remember to come home and bring those ideas and that passion with you.

[Overseas]

28. I've voted as a Yellow Dog Democrat for years. But we do need more progressive

Democratic ideas to be pushed more heavily. Perhaps the young people Obama brought on board will join us in pushing for universal health care first. I'd expect them to understand the economic logic of removing the burden of health insurance payments from US business and consumers, and be ready to push for it.

Maybe if I'd voted Nader the first time or the second time, when Gore was safe in my state, using the trade off thing, we'd have a stronger Green party to push the progressive agenda. But even then, I was too afraid of what I knew about Dick Cheney to even dare not voting for the Democratic ticket.

[IndianaGreen]

9. Who cares? Obama is our President-elect

and he is facing a crisis similar to the one FDR faced in 1933.

[...of J.Temperance]

19. Exactly, and those who would

Trash him at this incredibly difficult time need a kick in the ass.

Fact: Barack Obama won an EC landslide of 365 EC votes.

Fact: Barack Obama beat McNut in the Popular Vote by more than 8 million votes.

Those morons at Counterpunch etc need to STFU, NOBODY is listening to them anyway, hardly anyone has ever listened to the pathetic cretins.

[High Plains]

29. I'm sorry, but I disagree.

Criticism from the left is always welcome. We will be in a fight for the soul of the party, and I think its soul is on the left, not on Wall Street or K Street.

And why does Counterpunch need to STFU, as you so eloquently put it, if no one is listening anyway, as you claim?

Are you the voice of the Democratic Party. If so, it looks pretty ugly and intolerant, not to mention intemperate.

[...of J.Temperance]

31. Criticism is healthy, criticism is to be supported, when it's deserved

IE: If something occurs that people disagree with, then of course ANY politician should welcome criticism, we are afterall not Obamabots, so criticism is healthy.

What I don't support is TRASHING, and Counterpunch doesn't offer critique, they have a consistent record of trashing Democrats, they are a rag, they offer gutter journalism of the worst kind.

Counterpunch are not friends of Democrats nor of the Democratic Party.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

10. I'm always interested in what Nader has to say...

...and I do regard him as one of the more credible truth tellers of our time.

Recent Real News interview with Nader from the McClatchy offices in DC:

1/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-bC7F7gD4g

2/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5gaI-C0MfM

3/3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-lWu6Bvo0

[iamthebandfanman]

12. nader gave up on the party.

but i havent.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. I can't speak for Nader, but I believe his thinking...

...about the Democratic Party is more in line with the words of Doris "Granny D" Haddock:

"Part of the problem of the progressive left is that we have fragmented into dozens of organizations, each of which must struggle for funds and email addresses and all the rest. We need to fold ourselves back into the Democratic Party and thoroughly invigorate it. Do not worry that we will cause the Party to marginalize itself. If the Party can base its actions on good science, effective governance, and efficient delivery of the programs the people need, it will prosper across all the left and all the middle of the American political spectrum. But by splitting ourselves off into all these good government organizations we have left the party to the selfish elites, and they don't know how to serve the people or the truth, and that means they do not know how to win."

--Doris "Granny D" Haddock

[BlueCaliDem]

27. I like this Doris "Granny D" Haddock. She is right but Nader is too angry, too temperamental to

... bring her message to the Democrats. No one will listen to him until he learns the calm, cool, and collected composure of someone like Obama. See how temper hurt Pres. Clinton?

The old adage "You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar" applies in getting any message out, as Pres.-elect Obama has clearly demonstrated.

[...of J.Temperance]

13. Counterpunch is owned and run by deeply suspect people who

Hate Democrats and the Democratic Party, I never saw a Democrat that Counterpunch didn't trash.

Counterpunch is also prone to anti-Semitism, Alexander Cockburn is anti-Semitic, he is also a Conspiracy Theory oddball.

Counterpunch has as much credibilty as Drudge and Rense do, the only thing all of them are worthy of is to be used as birdcage liner.

[Dr Fate]

14. I didnt even know they were saying anything.

So I guess not. Much more interested in hearing how the President is going to turn a few things around...

[RollWithIt]

15. Ralph is dead to me!

I mailed him 3 foot dead fish and started stabbing my table screaming DEAD DEAD DEAD! when I read that stupid countersucks article.

[...of J.Temperance]

22. That's such a

Wonderful photograph, just sayin'

[grantcart]

17. You mean quoting Ralph Nader quoting Somebody's Dad about something

that is completely off point about something that happened 15 years ago.


Why yes of course I am completely interested -- what did the ass quoting the uninformed family member comepletely off poing about something 15 years ago have to say?

[pretzel4gore]

20. you guys don't like Sir Ralph?

hmmm....i know Nader's left field, but surely his bluntness helps Barack (the left is too darn quiet, doesn't anyone agree?) by countering all this 'non partisan' crap we're hearing. There are alot of vicious criminals in the gop/rightwing who need '5 in the noggin' as JohnGibson once kindly suggested....:)

[cali]

21. yes.

if only to fight against them.

I detest counterpunch despite the occasional good piece. it's akin to worldnut daily.

[...of J.Temperance]

23. I'm glad I'm not the only one who HATES the Counterpunch fuckheads

Seriously, they are disgusting, they feed on Conspiracy Theory paranoia and anti-Semitism, they suck.

[democracy1st]

24. those mf's act as if there's opposition whatsoever

[Medusa]

25. Look, even Faux News told him to STFU

this week. He's history, done, over with, finished, stick a fork in him. No one is listening to him anymore.

[graywarrior]

30. Especially not after the Uncle Tom remark he made a few days ago

[RBInMaine]

32. Nader's nutty. No need to mention him. His corpse will run for president.

[TK421]

33. Ralph who?