Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I still can not believe how well Obama did, just look at Texas

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:36 AM
Original message
I still can not believe how well Obama did, just look at Texas
Obama goes from a 2004 Kerry loss in TX of 23% to a loss of 11%.

Obama carried Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and of course Austin and the Latino rich south TX.

Amazing progress!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:40 AM
Response to Original message
1. Obama, and the rapidly increasing Hispanic demographic in TX, will
shift the state blue, it's a question of how many election cycles.

Right now it's the only megastate that the GOP can claim.

If TX even becomes a battleground, the GOP will truly become a regional party only unless they can figure out how to appeal to other people than right wing males in the South, Southwest and Plains/Desert.

Completely ceding both costs (not counting SC and GA, which is now a battleground anyway), AND all the major metropolitan areas that even reside within their own base states, is the dumbest thing ever. This is where all the population growth and economic resources for votes and donations are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. Awesome post! Exactly!
And you and I will both see that happen. Those 34 EVs of Texas will end up going to the Dem side in a few more cycles. Maybe less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. Texas will likely have 36+ more electoral votes from the next election
due to population shifts.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:40 AM
Response to Original message
2. Yep, I knew McCain would take Texas, but by a SMALLER margin
than Bush did. It gets smaller every time and Republicans who understand trends are shitting in their pants right now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. I think it was Cornyn who said after his win that he wanted the margin in his race
to not get close enough where the (national) DNC would feel a need to put their money into the race to help Noriega.. in another words, he meant: "maybe the DNC will continue to IGNORE TX". I imagine as long as that holds true, TX repukes will be happy/just fine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
4. Here's a graphic..

I hear your shout out for Texas, but I'm amazed at how much Obama beat Kerry's vote in Indiana. Look at the concentration of orangy-red in Indiana.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
5. While I agree with what you are saying, you also have to remember that Bush was on the ticket in 04
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #5
24. Exactly, it was actually a weak performance by Obama in Texas
Let's not kid ourselves. The partisan index barely moved from 2004 to 2008. In 2004, Bush won 61.1% to 38.2% in a national environment with Bush winning nationally by 2.46%. That meant the partisan index was +20.4% red.

This year McCain won Texas by roughly 11.8%, 55.4% to 43.6%, in a national vote that is currently 6.03% in favor of Obama. So the partisan index in Texas is currently +18.0% red.

A drop from 20.4% to 18.0% is less than the impact of a favorite son. A president atop the ticket is always worth many points in the home state, even for Gore in 2000. A generic Democratic candidate would have been blasted in Tennessee.

In other words, Obama performed worse than Kerry in Texas, when the related factors are considered. You can't blindly accept net margin A and net margin B without applying the logical modifiers.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
6. Obama, and the rapidly increasing Hispanic demographic in TX, will
shift the state blue, it's a question of how many election cycles.

Right now it's the only megastate that the GOP can claim.

If TX even becomes a battleground, the GOP will truly become a regional party only unless they can figure out how to appeal to other people than right wing males in the South, Southwest and Plains/Desert.

Completely ceding both costs (not counting SC and GA, which is now a battleground anyway), AND all the major metropolitan areas that even reside within their own base states, is the dumbest thing ever. This is where all the population growth and economic resources for votes and donations are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
7. Texas and Arizona will be in the Obama column in 2012. You heard it here first.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
8. what is really astonishing is Indiana. bush beat kerry by 21%
60 to 39.

Even Utah, the reddest state in 2004 (71 to 26) is up to 63 to 34 this time. Not great up an 8 point improvement is better than the country as a whole.

Now, if we could just figure out Appalachia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
10. Although McCain "won" Tarrant County :=(
We increased our voter turnout. In 04 the rethuglicons won by 25% in 08 only 12%

We worked really hard here for Obama, long before the Tarrant County Democratic Party we had Tarrant Obama and our grassroots organization was phenomenal:applause:

We are planning on keeping our group/network going to get more voters registered and become more involved.

NY Times actually made Tarrant County blue.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Voter turnout got Democratic vote totals to 2 ½ times what they were in 2000
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 03:32 PM by rainbow4321
Here's something that will make you feel good about all the TX voter registration drives and GOTV drives:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/110708dnmetburbvote.36c4bc9.html

But the lopsided results conceal what experts say was a major Democratic shift in suburbs both red and blue – even in bedrock conservative areas such as Allen, Denton and Plano.

In Collin and Denton counties, President-elect Barack Obama received 70,000 more votes than Sen. John Kerry did in 2004. Sen. John McCain, by contrast, collected 19,000 more votes than George W. Bush.

The numbers propelled some local races to their closest margins in years and Democratic vote totals to 2 ½ times what they were in 2000. Republicans also set voting records, though their gains were not as dramatic.

(snip)

"There were huge Democratic gains in suburban Texas, but they barely register because Texas is so Republican," said Robert Lang, director of the Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech and a leading expert on suburban politics. But, Dr. Lang added, "throw Collin County into the St. Louis suburbs and, all of a sudden, Missouri would be solidly blue and not red."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 11:53 AM
Response to Original message
11. Being a native Texan and now an Oregonian
it makes me wonder, since Obama won all the major cities in Texas and the Latino vote, was Texas stolen? My dad who lives in San Antonio and has work all his adult life to get out the vote, thinks it was.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. I wonder about Texas being stolen, too!
Perhaps a lot of the repukes that stole the Gubernatorial Elections from Ann Richards in 94 or 96 are STILL counting the votes in the Texas counties that they run.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. I won't doubt that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Could be...
Do it in a state that in the public's mind is going to be "red anyway" in the national election so who will think twice when it "stays" red in the end.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #23
27. Well of course that would be the way to do it.
But I think this should be looked into. I mean since Obama won all the major cities and he also won the Latino vote and he still lost, this make me go hmmmmm.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. Obame got more votes from Texas than from
all of New England.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
14. The area along the Rio Grande, on maps, showed some of the biggest "blue shift" in the US ...
By "blue shift" I mean the shift in voter tallies in a Democratic direction from 2004 to 2008. It is NOT to be confused with the "red shift" in the 2004 election between reported exit polls in a given area and the reported vote in those same areas in the same election!

I btw have never visited any of these areas, and wonder whether or not demographic changes will turn TX into a blue state over the next 10-20 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 04:35 PM
Response to Original message
16. Arkansas and Tennesse are regressing, not progressing.
Oh, well. Can't get 'em all, I guess.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
18. To see how much Obama improved in almost every state, check this out:
Just put your cursor on whatever state you're wondering about:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Wow! Obama outperformed Kerry and Gore in every single state
other than Louisiana, Arkansas and Tennessee! And where he outperformed, he really outperformed!

Incredible! :wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 06:42 PM
Response to Original message
19. You can partially thank Lou Dobbs for that. My relatives in S. Texas
some of whom could identify with Bush saw the Republican party of 2008 as virulently anti-Hispanic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TxBlue Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 07:41 PM
Response to Original message
22. DNC needs to work on OKlahoma....Northern Suburb of Texas
Alot of people, relatives, friends on both sides of Red River. Working on Oklahoma would drift south and vice versa.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
25. it's why I'm hoping Dems start campaining here
no more writing off Texas
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 12:14 AM
Response to Original message
26. Texas will be a swing state by 2016
The growing latino population and the growing youth population there is pushing it leftward. Texas could go the way of Colorado, going from a GOP state to a swing state. When that happens, the GOP has 0 safe big states left in presidential elections.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC