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torgos_pizza Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:42 AM
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Republicans think Mccain lost..because he wasn't Conservative enough. Are these people insane?
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 10:48 AM by torgos_pizza
Right wing Republicans have been saying that McCain lost the election because he was too liberal, and not conservative enought.....

One would think the fact Obama won would be an indication that the American people want a president who is more left wing than right wing....

But lets go with this...The right wants a super right winger to run in 2012- I favor this- in fact, they should change their party name to the 'National Christian Republican party'

In fact, encourage any and all Republicans you know to shift their party as far to the right as possible. Encourage them to vote for Palin in 2012.

The deeper they plunge into religious zealotry, the less likely they are to regain the seat of power- and in due course theirs will be dismissed as a party of religious nuts....


Republican moderates will leave in droves to become Independents, or form their own splinter party.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:43 AM
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1. Yes.
Or was that a rhetorical question?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:43 AM
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2. The only way they know to go is to the right..
..let them keep thinking it. They'll be out in the wilderness for a long time.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:44 AM
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3. I agree
I hope they run some wingnut like Palin or Huckabee. It will be an easy reelection for Obama.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:18 AM
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18. Huckabee, although a whack job is a likeable guy
I'd rather see Palin/Dobson of "focus on the family" as the 2012 standard bearers for teh GOP
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:45 AM
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4. The "let's move farther right" crew will win the coming debate w/ in the GOP.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:46 AM
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5. Yes. Yes they are... next question?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:47 AM
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6. They are true believers-- their religion teaches that if they are 'pure' they will prevail
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:50 AM
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10. Pure, as in
bathroom toe tappers. :crazy:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:47 AM
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7. I agree.
And I think Republicans will continue to lose until they actually practice what they preach -- until they actually carry out honest conservative policy, which is still quite popular with a lot of Americans.

Shameless plug: I outlined in greater detail what I mean by this in my latest HuffPo article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-sweeney/whats-next-for-the-gop-fo_b_141392.html

To quote:
"Conservatism meant the protection of individual liberties. Republicans gave us the Patriot Act.

Conservatism meant the avoidance of unnecessary foreign entanglements. Republicans gave us the Iraq War.

Conservatism meant fiscal responsibility. Republicans gave us the largest deficits in history under President Reagan, then broke that record under President Bush the Elder, and then broke that record under our current lame-duck president."


Where I break from the conservatives' argument about John McCain is that, while I agree that he didn't run on conservative stances, I disagree that he ran on liberal ones. He ran on a neoconservative platform, and that's one reason -- among many -- that he lost. The sooner the Republican Party gets back to its old-school conservative roots, the sooner they'll come in from the political wilderness.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:47 AM
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8. This shows their flawed logic.
First they claim McCain was a "maverick."
Now they claim he wasn't "conservative" enough.

"Maverick" vs. "conservative."
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:49 AM
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9. This is one of the issues Naomi Klein discussed
These ideologues, when faced with their failures, will ALWAYS blame those failures on their approach not being pure enough rather than the fallacy of their ideology in the first place.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:50 AM
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11. Let them think that. If they embrace this strategy, they will continue
to be the white, flat earth party that will never regain power again.

Let's not feel sorry for their stupidity, let's encourage it.

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torgos_pizza Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:52 AM
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13. I thought we should encourage the moderates to take back their party, but not anymore...
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 10:52 AM by torgos_pizza
If the radical right *totally* takes over the Republican Party,and purges all the moderates, then their political influence is over.....
A fragmentation of the Republican party- into moderates and hard line right wingers would further weaken their influence.
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yeswecanandwedid Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:52 AM
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12. yes, they are, going more conservative won't fix what's wrong with the repug party, nt
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 10:52 AM by yeswecanandwedid
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:54 AM
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14. That's one of the first things Pigboy said Wednesday
He said the same thing in 1992 and 2006.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:02 AM
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15. McCain did lose some votes from the far right
But he made up for it (a little) by getting more of the centrist vote than a far right candidate would have gotten. I think he lost a lot and gained back a little.
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Two Sheds Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:06 AM
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17. I don't know if he lost that many far right votes.
1) Barack Obama got them out to vote. Don't forget what the far right really is.
2) Palin got a lot of those votes back as well.

I don't think there were any more votes out there for the GOP.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:06 AM
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16. I agree ... Republicans should change their message to cater to the even
further right extremists ...

their pizza should read "Needs less regulation!!!"
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:27 AM
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19. This is Hannity's excuse - rather than realize that they are
completely out of touch with the American people, who want jobs, health care and fairness, they think we still want lower taxes and the govt to butt out of our lives, even if our city is drowning.

I hope they continue to think this :)
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