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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:32 AM
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DLC'ers go away for 8 years
plz k thx.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:33 AM
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1. forever they need to go forever
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:34 AM
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2. .
:popcorn:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:35 AM
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3. It's looking like they will be chief of staff, so no. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:39 AM
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7. As long as he is away from the Legislative branch
and strategy, all is well. I would like to see Pelosi take a cabinet post and leave the Legislative branch to those that would defend its proper role as well.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:48 AM
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17. What does the COS DO anyway?
:shrug:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:51 AM
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Highly influential. Usually more so than the Vice-President.
The White House Chief of Staff is the highest-ranking member of the Executive Office of the President of the United States and a senior aide to the President. The U.S. President's Chief of Staff is a very powerful position, sometimes dubbed "The Second-Most Powerful Man in Washington"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Chief_of_Staff
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:23 AM
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42. that doesnt say much since the VP
shouldnt have any influence on the president..
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:51 AM
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19. duplicate. nt
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 08:51 AM by onehandle

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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:37 AM
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4. Rahm Emmanuel is DLC to the bone.
Just sayin.
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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:40 AM
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8. I didn't hear him trashing Medicare
Or using stupid repuke buzzwords like "entitlements" like another thread i just saw here. Maybe he is reformed... and he won't be making policy anyway.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:42 AM
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10. No, and he won't do that. IF he even takes the job,
which he hasn't yet, Obama is the boss. But Emmanuel is valuable. He has been in the White House before so his experience would be very useful to Obama. And he's still a Democrat, and he is a tough bastard, which also might come in handy.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:38 AM
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5. Hopefully the DLC won't play a huge role in Obama's agenda, but you are here simply to divide
and spread the seeds of hatred, just like some of those who came here yesterday to rain on our parade...and some of them ended up getting banned for their feeble efforts.

I'd like to see you tell Joe Biden to go away for 8 years. Idiot.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:39 AM
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6. Big tent.
Many DUers don't get that.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:43 AM
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11. Exactly. I'm putting my trust in Obama to pick who he thinks is best to get the job done
It doesn't mean we can't hold his feet to the fire if he doesn't live up to his promises, but people like the clown who posted an OP like that are simply here to split DU in two. They are not who they make believe they are. You don't just go posting a one-liner with no explanation unless you're trying to create divisiveness.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:41 AM
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9. dude... they just won, what, five senate seats?
And Obama has borrowed so heavily from them policy-wise...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:45 AM
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13. Shh.
That's a secret.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:55 AM
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"Facts are stupid things"
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:37 AM
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31. The reason they need to go away...
is as much about their behavior in primaries. They played dirty pool to try to secure the (D) for Lieberman over Lamont here in CT in Lieberman's last Senate race (Ultimately it was this support which ultimately positioned Lieberman to run in the GE as an Independent.)

They've a long trail of pushing out Democrats in primaries to run GOPers they've converted...those seem to always bite the Democratic Party in the ass, either in that they go on to vote like a GOPer or that they turn out to be of questionable ethics (The sort of people who jump because your money is good tend to not have strongly-held personal values.) Tim Mahoney is indicative of both. Ultimately the reason they need to go away is not just Obama's win...it's also Mahoney's loss. That's a shitstorm that rest only at the DLC's feet.

DLC successes in gaining seats have been much the result of a disorganized progressive primary strategy. That has ended...progressives have learned something in 2006 and 2008...how to fight. We intend to take you to the fire everywhere with no quarter. You know...progressives and their grassroots efforts...those things that actually win elections, unlike DLC strategy. There will be more fight in progressives than you've ever seen before.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:40 AM
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34. it's politics.
is as much about their behavior in primaries. They played dirty pool to try to secure the (D) for Lieberman over Lamont here in CT in Lieberman's last Senate race (Ultimately it was this support which ultimately positioned Lieberman to run in the GE as an Independent.)

Which is why Obama and Kerry endorsed Lieberman?

They've a long trail of pushing out Democrats in primaries to run GOPers they've converted

Names?

DLC successes in gaining seats have been much the result of a disorganized progressive primary strategy. That has ended...progressives have learned something in 2006 and 2008...how to fight.

Which is why the DLC picked up so many House seats in 2006 and Senate seats this year?

We intend to take you to the fire everywhere with no quarter. You know...progressives and their grassroots efforts...those things that actually win elections, unlike DLC strategy. There will be more fight in progressives than you've ever seen before.

I'm sure they're shaking in their boots.



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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:44 AM
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12. Obama IS a DLCer. Hence his turn on FISA, welcoming Powell's endorsement,
and making REmmanuel his chief of staff. Consulting Sam Nunn and Jim Cooper, who prevented Clinton from being a progressive president was another clue.

People here that thought he was a big time progressive are in for a real surprise.

The good news is he has a more liberal senate than Clinton had, so he might be able to be a more progressive prez.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:46 AM
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14. he's a post-DLC Democrat - all the policies without the baggage
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 08:47 AM by wyldwolf
policy wise - on paper - he's as DLC as they come.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:46 AM
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15. DLC, Blue Dog, Progressive Democrat
We're not the Republicants... We're a big tent...

Why do people come here to divide us?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:48 AM
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16. hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk...
.. it's still rock-n-roll to me...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:57 AM
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32. LOL
First laugh I've had today.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:51 AM
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18. Because the Blue dogs backed abuses of power by a
unpopular Republican president and put all of our rights at risk. Are we to stand for anything if not for what is right?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:55 AM
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23. Of Course Not
But I don't think they, the DLC, or the Progressive Democrats should be drummed out of the party...

Look at how the Republicants have cannibalized themselves in the name of ideological purity...They are essentially a regional party or becoming one...
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:54 AM
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22. Some people are more concerned with their own egos
Still fighting a battle from almost six years ago. They need to get over themselves.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:15 AM
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33. The Constitution is an ego issue?
What laws have been restored? How many of the dead from Iraq and torture been brought back to life?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:56 AM
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24. Because if the Blue Dog's and DLC get their way we will have no
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 09:23 AM by harun
Health Care reform whatsoever. That is pretty important to me and my whole family.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:59 AM
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25. I Could Be Wrong But I Thought Hillary's And Obama's Health Care Plans Were Close To The DLC's
Maybe someone else knows...
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:04 AM
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27. Obama's is close to the DLC's
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:26 AM
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29. I liked Obama's better than Hillary's. I don't think the DLC publishes
a DLC Health Plan per se unless you call what we have today a plan.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:30 AM
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30. actually the DLC has numerous published articles on health care
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:04 AM
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35. Got a link to one?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:09 AM
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37. here's a handfull
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:40 PM
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43. Thanks for the links. I see them commenting on a number
of things but it isn't like they say "This is the plan" which would be stupid of them.

I just hope something happens, it is done right and we at least start down the path to where we need to be. The only people our current system is good for is Insurance Company's.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:06 PM
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47. Dave Kendall's plan is similar to Dean's from '04
The closest thing to an "official" DLC health proposal would be the one put out by David Kendall in the 2004 cycle. Kendall's proposal is essentially the same as the proposals pushed by Howard Dean and Joe Lieberman during the '04 race.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:18 AM
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39. Too funny!!
Hillary's health care plan is much better than Obama's.

:eyes:
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:19 PM
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46. Hillary's plan is better if you want to increase insurance companies
profits. Depends on your perspective I guess.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:52 AM
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20. Apperently President-elect Obama doesn't share your sentiment:
Emanuel likely to accept Obama job
by Politico.com
Thursday November 06, 2008, 4:59 AM

In his first major move as president-elect, Barack Obama has asked Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), a tough-minded tactician with West Wing experience, to serve as his White House chief of staff, Democratic sources tell Politico.

Emanuel has said to friends that he wants and will take the job, but aides said it was not a done deal as of late Wednesday despite cable news reports that Emanuel had accepted.

Emanuel is in the process of trying to decide if he will take the chief of staff post, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) told MSNBC.

Obama plans to move swiftly with his transition announcement and could name Emanuel this week, the sources said. He then plans rapid-fire announcements on his economic and national security teams.

If Emanuel a member of the House Democratic leadership with ambitions to one day be speaker were to turn it down, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) would likely get the nod, the sources said.

more: http://www.mlive.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2008/11/eman...
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:53 AM
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21. Give it a rest
Yeah, Governors Sebelius, Markell, Napolitano, Gregoire, and Richardson need to be quiet, right?

Get over 2004 and get over yourself. This was a win for EVERY part of the Democratic Party, not just a few self righteous internet windbags.
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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:03 AM
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26. Sorry i overreacted to another thread
full of right-wing framing and buzzwords.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:12 AM
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28. It's OK
Are you a Huey Long Democrat?
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:07 AM
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36. DLC or no DLC, if you think an Obama administration is going to be that different from Clinton you
are in for a big surprise.

Obama is going to govern from the center and look for consensus with Republicans.

If you are anticipating anything else you will be sorely disappointed.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:14 AM
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38. Aw, the DLCers can stay.
It's just their sad ideology that has to go.

We should welcome with open arms any who have seen the light of reason.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:19 AM
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40. Nope, we are half of the party and we are here to stay.
Sorry..........

:shrug:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:22 AM
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41. Obama is a centrist. He's not gonna sweep them under the rug
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:42 PM
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44. Oh hell...make the majority of the country..
go away. Let's use those encampments that Halliburton built. Maybe we can fill them by quota's.
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:46 PM
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45. Sens. Udall, Udall, Merkley, Shaheen, Warner and Hagan...
So long...you aren't welcome

:sarcasm:

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