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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:09 AM
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Reason why Bush's military service record matters
Yes, it was 32 years ago that he deserted; and yes, he's not using his personal military background as any justification for his candidacy. And he has at least nominally praised John Kerry for his service. (Not that he made the slightest effort to shut down Shit Boat Vermin for Lies.)

But still, Bush's own military service record matters because it tells us so much about why the man has been such a failed president. It tells us what happens when you go through life shielded from its difficulties and especially from its consequences. You think of yourself as apart from and above everyone else and not subject to the same rules and expectations that govern the rest of us. And, if you never have to face the consequences of your actions, you eventually come to think that not only will you never have to face any consequences, but that there ARE no consequences to be faced.

And this is precisely how Bush has acted as president. Nothing that goes wrong is his fault, and he is unable even to conceive that anything has gone wrong. When he is in trouble, he has surrogates and handlers and friends of Daddy's to explain things away. He has supporters who put their hands to their ears and refuse to hear any ill spoken about him. He can do anything he wants, and more to the point say anything he wants sublime in the certainty that it doesn't matter. He can oppose a policy, let it pass, and then take credit for it. He can propose a policy, garner the good will it engenders, then let it starve for funds, secure in the expectation that he will be credited for propounding it and never followed up to see if he actually put it into effect. He lives in a world of the privileged, who never have to clean up after themselves, who have servants for that sort of thing.

George W. Bush should not have gotten into the Texas Air National Guard, but as the child of privilege, he had other people to make sure he did (it's irrelevant if he or his father asked Ben Barnes to do it). He did not deserve to get into Yale, but as the son of an alumnus, he benefitted from the unquestioned affirmative action for rich white people that has been in existence as long as there have been rich white people. He did not deserve to survive his mismanagement in the oil business, but had Saudi friends of Daddy to bail him out. He did not deserve to be president, but had the Supreme Court justices his Daddy appointed turn him into a legal class of one, espousing the ridiculous and one-time legal doctrine that his rights somehow outweighed those of the people of the state of Florida.

He has never had to take responsibility for one blessed thing in his life, and it shows. And it goes back to his misspent youth, which he wasted in a riotous dissipation of drug and alcohol abuse. He learned his lesson well - he was uniquely privileged to do whatever he wanted and let others clean up after him. And he has governed as he lived, and we have to clean up his messes. A man like that should not be President - never should have been President - and certainly should not be re-elected.

Yes, 1972 was a long time ago. And yes, Bush is not running as a war hero (although saying for the record that he's proud of his service - and, for all I know, he may actually be proud of it, since he cannot conceive of him ever needing to apologize for anything he did). But some things never change; as he lived then, he governs now. It's time, for once in his worthless life, to have to pay the price for being a gutless, selfish, greedy, shallow fool. He didn't pay it then. If not know, when?
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:12 AM
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1. bush is running as a war hero...
he's the war president...he's pastic GIGeorge.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:12 AM
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2. contrasted with Kerry's use of his own wealth, power, and influence
not that Kerry had much of his own but the contrast is stark and condeming in itself.
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:13 AM
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3. HEAR! HEAR!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:14 AM
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4. I nominated this thread for the front page.
:toast: I hope others join me. (hint, hint.)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:15 AM
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5. Here's proof it does matter to most people
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:16 AM
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6. Bush is sending National Guard troops to do what he REFUSED to do.
THAT is what matters.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:21 AM
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9. Exactly!
The juxtaposition of those headlines should be devastating to the Bushists. They must be holding their breath, waiting for the storm to pass over.
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manic Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:19 AM
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7. "It's not what he did that's important, but that he lied about it."
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 10:21 AM by manic
And I stand by that statement. Because what he did isn't important (but what he didn't do is).

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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:19 AM
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8. Bravo, very well said! Our slogan should be: it's his character, stupid!
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:24 AM
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10. Here's why it doesn't matter.
*'s had 4 years in office. If his record as President isn't enough to get him kicked out, then this certanly won't be. Besides, nothing that I have seen published about his defaults in the Guard really measures up to the charge of 'desertion'. It is these kinds of baseless charges against *, (treason, Nazism, etc.) that are flung around that turn off many Americans who would otherwise vote for our guy.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:40 AM
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11. You don't think refusing a direct order...
...counts as desertion, when taking his flight physical was required for him to keep his pilot status? You don't think decamping to Alabama despite a transfer order qualifies as desertion? You don't think failing to sign up with a base in Massachusetts when he had agreed to do so is a form of desertion? During a war, when by law failing to follow any of the terms of his National Guard hitch was supposed to make him immediately subject to active duty? I dunno, I think that's all much closer to desertion than any man who wants to be president should let himself come (I realize Bush had no interest in being President until about 1998).

Here's the bottom line: Bush got out of a war he did not want to serve in by pushing his way (or being pushed) to the front of a line leading to a safer form of service before others who were in that line ahead of him (and he didn't even fulfill his obligations in that safer form of service). Almost certainly some men who should have gotten into the TXANG before him died in Vietnam, maybe who would not have died but for Bush's selfishness. And now he is ordering other young men to their deaths (granted, they are all volunteers, but it is still unseemly, to me). He was a coward then, and he is untrustworthy now.

Stop sounding like a Bush enabler and excuser. He's been hiding behind saps all his life. Don't let him get away with it any longer.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:21 AM
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14. I'm not going to argue with you, you
may be right. But it isn't going to play, and we need to concentrate on the issues instead of personalities. There's a reason we keep losing to these guys, and e need to figure out what it is.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:56 AM
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16. One is that we don't give dirt a chance.
And this is real dirt, not the phony crap Republicans peddle against Dems. The reason the Repubs are successful is that they don't stop flinging the mud for no one no how. Maybe we ought to smear this shit all over Bush until he cries like a Georgie man all the way home.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:06 PM
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17. Yes. Hit him till he screams, "Uncle!"
The presstitues are always pushing the "Bush is a regular guy" factor. Well this story is like a stake in the heart of his regular guy persona. bush is not a regular guy. He is a pampered wuss. He's not a real man, but he does impersonate one poorly on television.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:12 PM
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18. Well, I disagree with you on this issue, but
things will go along whether I agree or not. We'll see how it works out, but I think it's a mistake. Here's hoping that I am wrong.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:20 PM
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19. It should not be all the Dems focus on,.
But if this is how the Repubs want to play, then the Dems have to play harder and play to win.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:43 AM
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12. Read Eric Boehlert's summary of the charges in today's salon.com
It might change your mind over how serious these charges are.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/09/bush_guard_duty/index.html
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:04 AM
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13. Psychiatrists call it "living in the moment"
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 11:12 AM by rocknation
And it's a symptom of a sociopathic personality.

Kerry decided to lead his campaign with his military background because he knew that Bush could not follow suit. Bush decided to attack Kerry's military record anyway. He knew he could count on the mainstream media to run with it until the truth came out and they'd have to abandon the story to save face. And by then, the public would have no appetite for a repeat peformance if Kerry decided to retaliate.

By "living in the moment," I mean that Bush probably convinced himself that he was taking a gutsy all-or-nothing gamble with Operation Smear-Boat. But his real motivation was malice--he wanted Kerry's Viet Nam service to look just as tainted as his own. And his fatal mistake was not contemplating the possible long-term consequences--leaving a path from his campaign office to the Smear-Boaters, and releasing the same papers that CBS did after claiming he'd released all his papers in February. Now it's bigger than just a military matter--he's put his credibility and competence (both professional AND mental) on the line.

:headbang:
rocknation
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:27 AM
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15. but Tweety, GE and others like CNN say they can't talk about it...why?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:19 PM
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21. Because the Bush White House told them not to.
From Rove's lips to their ears...

They're trying to give this the "out of sight, out of mind" treatment.

:headbang:
rocknation
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:36 PM
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20. Colin Powell....speak your mind!!!
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

(Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 07:51 PM
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22. where is Colin lately... poor sell-out
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Diana52 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:29 PM
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23. IT MATTERS when, whether it matters is being questioned
I lost a brother in Viet Nam, so personally, IT MATTERS! The fact that anyone would question whether it matters, is the strongest possible proof that IT MATTERS!

When will this President, for ONCE, act presidential, or like a statesman, or even like a man, and address the issue. I should think that this self-proclaimed compassionate-conservative would jump at the chance to salve the gaping wound that is the American electorate.

I can dream, can't I?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:34 PM
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24. Yes Diana, It DOES matter
Even now after all this time. I'm sorry for your loss and hope that you will join us in trying to keep the sorry story from repeating.

And,

Welcome to DU!
:toast:
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:52 PM
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25. YES it matters
I also get tired of those who say Vietnam doesn't matter, it's history. There are plenty of us today whose lives have been changed by that war, and it MATTERS that Bush didn't learn the hard lessons it taught us.

Not only did he participate in combat, Kerry lost several of his best friends in Vietnam. Did Bush lose anything or anyone? Hardly a minute of his time, it appears, and if he lost any friend or loved one, he's never mentioned it that I've heard about.

So he was clueless about what it meant to go to war, and he's still clueless about the horrific situation he's created in Iraq for our soldiers and for the Iraqi people. Everyone should be shocked, but no one should be surprised by Abu Graib.

We learned these lessons once, within our lifetimes. But the president didn't. He was drugged or drunk or just sleeping late, who knows? But it's that lack of experience or willingness to learn from our own history that has created a "catastropic success"--a success for his ego, a catastrophe for this country.
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