Hardball: Barnicle, Jack Kemp and Dee Dee Myers - ALL beating up on Kerry

[mbali]

My, nothing like a little balance.

[gratuitous]

1. Golly, you mean Tweety has turned again?

Color me shocked. Shocked! I tell you.

[dennis4868]

2. Dee Dee Myers: He should not be windsurfing

but instead he should be playing basketball.....WTF?

[mbali]

14. Barnicle - attacking Kerry's service is "blood libel" - if he can't stand

up to defend himself against that, he doesn't deserve to be president...

Excuse me? Why is this all about Kerry? Why not "if the president won't stop the blood libel attacks on Kerry, he doesn't deserve to be president."

Kerry has been hitting Bush and hitting him hard ever since the convention. Yet all Tweety can talk about is how supposedly Kerry has screwed up SO bad by letting Bush turn him into the issue. But Bush and the Republicans didn't turn Kerry into the issue - they simply are doing what they always do, fighting as dirty as they can. It's the MEDIA that is deciding what the issue is, and to them, it's all Kerry all the time..

[blm]

15. Kerry should be himself. If he can relax a few moments windsurfing, let

him be.

[mbali]

17. If Kerry were playing pickup hoops, imagine what they'd say about him?

[Carolinian]

Should we start a rumor that Kerry was HEAD Cheerleader? Would

that will impress some Repubs or what!

[Andromeda]

62. That's what I thought...

What the hell is wrong with windsurfing. What a crazy thing to say. I can't believe it.

Bite me Dee Dee Myers!

[dennis4868]

3. Kerry's surrogates......

are the worst god damn fucking talking heads I have ever seen in my life.....

[cthrumatrix]

16. this is NOT NORMAL.... I can't believe this bullshit

[mbali]

19. I don't think the Kerry campaign is picking Harball guests - the nets

seem to purposely pick the weakest reps they can find...

And why put Myers on by herself with Kemp and Barnicle? What kind of balance is that?

[dennis4868]

21. Isn't Barnicle....

a long time friend of Kerry? Does not sound like it tonight but that is what I thought....

[lancdem]

45. DeeDee Myers doesn't work for the Kerry campaign

I'm glad. She's never been very effective, even when she was WH press secretary.

[CityDem]

50. Even Mary Beth Cahill could do better

Cahill could do a better job defending Kerry even after downing a gallon of Knob Creek.

[fdr_hst_fan]

4. Yes, and this is

NOTHING like it!

[cthrumatrix]

5. these people are all bought $$$$$$$...I'm convinced

[City Lights]

6. Sickening.

Dee Dee should STFU if she has nothing nice to say. She is disgraceful. I'd like to reach inside the tv and slap her.

[MoonRiver]

7. She's obviously the newest and lowest bought and paid for whore.

I simply will not participate in this media charade again.

[cthrumatrix]

11. who has a pair of democrat balls.... there is no spine on the whore talk

shows

[wtmusic]

13. They must have gotten a good deal on her

She flipped REAL fast

[MoonRiver]

22. Yeah, I can almost see the $ sign shining in her eyes.

:puke:

[Ripley]

8. Why are so many Dems turning on Kerry?

I saw Congressman Artur Davis on a local news program and he wasn't bashing Kerry, but said Kerry didn't really have any good ideas on fighting terrorism and making us safe. This is a pretty good Dem - black man with a lot of support in Alabama. But it is shameful he didn't point out Kerry's qualities instead of demeaning him.

[lancdem]

49. Maybe he was talking about that

because it's an issue important with Alabama voters.

[DemNoir]

9. Chris Matthews thanks DU

If it where not for DU, Hardball would never have achieved its .1 rating!

[David Dunham]

12. E-mail Hardball and complain about them!!

[mbali]

23. email address?

[City Lights]

35. [email protected] eom

[mbali]

36. thanks n/t

[xray s]

18. Ha! Truer words were never posted!

Nice one!

[zoeb]

32. where kind I find Hardball's rating? n/t

[sonicx]

10. Good for them, watch Kerry come back and win...

they haven't learned their lesson form 2000: polls are garbage.

[kstewart33]

20. Matthews and Myers are right

Kerry has no organized message. Matthews said he would beat Bush up on 1) his saying medicare was fine and the next day the premiums increase big time; 2) the middle class squeeze; 3) tax cuts for the rich; 4) sky high deficits and then hit him on Iraq.

He's right. I am STUNNED that Kerry has no well-organized message. If this guy cannot articulate a powerful anti-Bush message, he doesn't deserve to be president.

Don't flame me guys. I've given much $$$$ to Kerry.

[dennis4868]

24. Do you know that.....

A DAY AFTER THE CONVENTION KERRY PUT OUT A COMMERCIAL of Bush "saying medicare was fine and the next day the premiums increase big time" and Kerry has been talking about this but if yuo do not watch Kerry's speeches on C-SPAN you would have no idea....media does not wanyou to know Kerry's message....dont you get it?

[buycitgo]

27. sigghhhhhh...didn't hear about that

not only that, David Shuster mentioned the Texans for Truth ad, but didn't show it, after showing two nasty Bush ads

what a shocker, eh?

[mbali]

29. BINGO!

[sonicx]

25. huh?

where have you been?

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=69778



On the record Bush deficit:

QUOTE
"Only George W. Bush could celebrate over a record budget deficit of $422 billion, a loss of 1.6 million jobs and Medicare premiums that are up by a record 17 percent,'' Kerry said. ``W stands for wrong - the wrong direction for America.''

The Congressional Budget Office is predicting that this year's federal deficit will reach $422 billion, the highest ever . . . .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...4479213,00.html

On outsourcing:

QUOTE
"Because of George Bush's wrong choices, this country is continuing to ship good jobs overseas - jobs with good wages and good benefits,'' Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery at town hall meeting. ``All across America, companies have shut their doors, putting hardworking people out of a job, leaving entire communities without help or hope.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...4479213,00.html

On Bush's role in increasing terrorism:

QUOTE
"Terrorists have secured havens in Iraq that were not there before. . . . Violence has spread in Iraq, Iran has expanded its influence, and extremism has gained momentum."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04246/372204.stm

On wrong choices in Iraq:

QUOTE
"The most catastrophic choice is the mess that he has made in Iraq," Kerry said. "This was his choice. He chose the date of the start of this war, he choice the moment, and he chose for America to go it alone. And today, all of America is paying this price."

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040907_805.html

On the cost of Bush's wrong choices in Iraq:

QUOTE
He called the administration's claim that there were coalition forces fighting alongside 125,000 Americans troops "the phoniest thing I've ever heard."

"You've got about 500 troops here, 500 troops there, and it's American troops that are 90 percent of the combat casualties, and it's American taxpayers that are paying 90 percent of the cost of the war," he said.

"This president rushed to war without a plan to win the peace, and he's cost all of you $200 billion that could have gone to schools, could have gone to health care, could have gone to prescription drugs, could have gone to our Social Security."

[mbali]

28. Kerry DOES have an organized message - no one is reporting it

They would rather talk about the horserace handicap bullcrap they've been talking about for the last 20 minutes on Hardball.

[cthrumatrix]

30. exactly...can he get 10 minutes of airtime

[dennis4868]

33. THIS IS WHAT THEY DID TOO....

Gore.....disgusting....Kerry all day today was right on message and the media fucking ignores it....

[buycitgo]

39. yep.....maybe he HAS to offer himself up to these shows

EVERY night to get his message across

he and/or Edwards

FORCE them to cover his message

MAKE them cover him live, for ten minutes at a crack

will they REFUSE?

Kerry should start doing this, and have some boilerplate answers to EVERYThing they ask him, including stuff about Bush making people sign LOYALTY oaths to see him....SEARCHING peoples' clothing; he should DEMAND that Bush make himself similarly available on TV; start talking about the utter quagmire in Iraq (after bulletproofing his answer about his IWR vote, etc); hammering him about raising medicare premiums; how Bush IGNORED the warnings in August 2001, and WENT FISHING...stuff that RESONATES with people

[kstewart33]

34. Kerry's message is not getting through and it's not just the media's fault

Remember in '92? Clinton and Gore said again and again, "It's medicare, medicaid, social security and the environment." They said it so much on every program that people were singing it.

If you could reduce Kerry's campaign message to a phrase, what would it be????

He doesn't have one. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. And the media is not responsible for that.

[sonicx]

42. you are nuts

I've heard Kerry talk about those things in every televised rally i've watched. the media is not covering it, period.

[kstewart33]

46. Then capture his campaign message in one phrase

Do it, because Kerry certainly hasn't.

[sonicx]

54. doesn't matter, he's talking in small enough sound bites for them to cover

They hate him, plain and simple.

[mbali]

57. They have absolutely NO interest in what Kerry has to say

They'd rather talk about the horserace.

[mbali]

56. Our world is too complicated to reduce this campaign to ONE phrase

That's one of the problems - lazy mediawhores and gullible voters (including, obviously, some Democras) expect Kerry to boil our complex frightening domestic and international issues into one sentence. That cannot be done. But Kerry's message is a concise one . . .

He'll win the peace in Iraq and bring strength and security to a new world
He'll turn the economy around and get it back on track
He's a grownup who won't play cowboy with America's future

[City Lights]

58. Plus, it's easy for shrub to dumb down his message.

Terra is all he knows.

[mbali]

48. OK - 'splain to me how Kerry gets that message to the people if the

media doesn't cover it?

Skywriting?

[DoBotherMe]

31. THOSE are his messages ...

I just watched the Cleveland labor day rally on cspan ... as I have all the archived stuff; Sen. Kerry hits on those point each time he speaks. How much national coverage are his events getting? From what I read here at DU, very little.

[juajen]

44. He is saying all of these things

The media whores are not covering it; then they say he doesn't articulate these points, when they know very well that he does, or else they're just stealing from what someone else has said to keep from doing their own homework. The dem talking heads need to be beaten. They should be saying this, but then, maybe, they're not doing their homework either. Can't the campaign hand out talking points and rebuttals, for God's sake?

[mbali]

51. The guests the cable nets put on are too busy kissing butt

in hopes of getting future airtime they aren't going to criticize the host.

[mbali]

60. They DO hand out talking points. The Dems the nets invite on are

completely off message - which is probably why they're invited on in the first place.

[Carolinian]

52. But all that was in Kerry's speech immediately. He just isn't getting

on national TV.

[lancdem]

53. Hasn't he tackled all those issues the past few days?

[Jawja]

59. Kerry does and is

giving a well organized message on the stump, every day. But unless you attend it in person, or it happens to be televised on C-Span, you are not going to hear the substance of his message.

Big Media will come back and tell you every day, after every Kerry speech, that "he's not getting his message out" and "he's letting * define him."

Nooooooooooo, BIG MEDIA is not covering Kerry's message and BIG MEDIA is presenting *'s snotty comments as "real debate" night after night after night. There is no clearer example of this strategy than what happened on CBS Evening News tonight with John Roberts reporting. Instead of playing the substance of Kerry's speech today on the failure of the Iraq War, CBS focused on the line Kerry said that echoed what Dean had said. CBS then showed * claiming that Kerry had yet again changed his position. Then John Roberts says that Kerry is allowing * to define who he is, because Kerry can't get his message out. End of report.

So blatant, blatant, blatant, what Big Media is doing. They are helping the GOP frame Kerry while shrugging their shoulders and wringing their hands over "why can't Kerry get his message out and define who he is??"

It is a truly disgusting chapter in the history of journalism and politics in America.

[mbali]

61. Thanks for providing a specific example - people need to see this

to understand what we're talking about here - and to understand that Kerry is not the problem.

[Andromeda]

63. That's not true.

Kerry has addressed all of those issues, and the Medicare premiums are in one of Kerry's ads.

[zoeb]

26. Hardball cut Kemp...

off. Kemp was trying to explain what Cheney was saying and Chris went to DeeDee. You go Chris

[City Lights]

38. Please keep us posted.

I turned it off after getting too angry.

[dennis4868]

37. D D MYERS: KERRY HAS THE GORE PROBLEM

i give up!

[jezebel]

40. They are literally making me sick. I think this is even worse than it was

in 2000, with the constant Gore ridicule. I'm going to have to turn off the TV. I can't take 2 more months of watching this crap. And it pisses me off that people who aren't that tuned in, will start to accept all of this as fact.

[City Lights]

41. DesertDem: Dee Dee has the whore problem. eom

[RobertDevereaux]

43. Outrageous! n/t

[Jawja]

47. Yeah.

It's full blown destroy Kerry time. I watched all I could stand and then noted that BP Oil was one of the "Hardball" sponsors.

I am soooooooooooooooo surprised. :eyes: :puke:

[Raya]

55. Kerry integrity has been undercut EVEN MORE than Gore by Smears

Many sat by smugly while the Kerry campaign let it happen without
the kind of counter-attack that was needed. Pointless complaining
that the media is going with a winning incumbent -- that goes without
saying.

Kerry should have finished Bush during the Dem convention. Whoever
decide that Dems should be "nice," failed the entire progressive
movement. That was our only real chance to show Bush for the
lying, incompetent, mental defective that he is.

[seabeyond]

64. from the sound of them, we might as well quit

what 1 person says, well they have maybe ten days to turn it around. the other two lost. that is it, the end. and what about those electoral polls

it has been creepy on the news today

[sandersadu]

65. Kerry's Message

Kerry can have all the press releases, and scattershot campaign events he wants, and we can all blame the media, but Kerry can't answer 2 simple questions, and that's why he's behind:

(1) I, John Kerry want to be President because ________.

(2) The 4 things I'm going to do when I'm elected are _________.


Until he answers those questions, and keeps the same answer, and repeats endlessly, he's toast. Period.

[dennis4868]

67. welcome to DU.....

ummmmm....he answers those questions every day.....if you do not watch his events on C-SPAN you would not know it....big media is hiding his message and I think you are falling into their trap...thanks corporate media for even fooling a member of DU....

[seabeyond]

68. have you once listened to kerry

go to his website. the answers are there

[Thrill]

66. I could careless about Polls

Bottom line is Kerry needs minorities and young people to come out in droves to vote for him to win. If these two groups have low voter turnout he won't. Its pretty simple........

[NightOwwl]

69. Dee Dee hasn't been the same...

since she got a facelift.

Hey, some people say...