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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:27 AM
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Powell made me cry
when he said, regarding whether or not Obama was Muslim, the correct answer is no he is a Christian, and the even more correct answer is so what if he is?

But when he told the story of the mother mourning at her sons grave with the Muslim crescent on it, (as a mother who's son did make it home from Iraq)I totally broke down.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:28 AM
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1. Made me cry too
when he lied in front of the UN and got 5000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed.

The man has blood on his hands and it goes right up to his armpits.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:34 AM
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7. Yes, WE KNOW! But TODAY, Powell did the RIGHT THING.
This endorsement will only help Obama garner more votes. Let's accentuate the positives, not so much the negatives. Atleast until Nov. 4th. Ok? Thanks.
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Left 0f Center Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:57 AM
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12. Perfectly stated.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:01 AM
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14. Very good -- sell your principles for a handful of votes. That's the American way.
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:09 AM
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19. Would you get off it already!....
I am so tired of Democrats killing ourselves from within. We had a gift give to us today - and are you so free of mistakes and judgment errors in your own life but so ready to throw stones at another? Powell knows he made a mistake - he mentioned it today. You cannot blame Iraq solely on Powell - have you forgotten about Bush and Cheney. They buffaloed many people over Iraq. And just who IS responsible for the war - the American people. We allowed it to happen.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:13 AM
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23. Oh shut the hell up.
:eyes:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:45 AM
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28. that's not what's going on here
perhaps you think someone cannot do something right if they've done something wrong in the past.

you've got a lot to learn!
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:51 AM
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32. Yep, they are pushing the liberal grassroots under the bus..
..and the election isn't even over, yet!
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:54 AM
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34. If you insist on putting your emotions ahead of good strategy in the critical final stretch than
please. Get the hell out of our way.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:16 AM
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24. I am very torn on Powell's endorsement... but you do have good advice and I will take it.
at least until Nov. 4.


thank you.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:04 AM
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16. Do you think Obama should refuse and repudiate Colin Powell???
Or those two fucking words hillary joined up that everyone uses now -reject and condemn - refute and reject- shake and bake -
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:12 AM
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22. If he helps Obama to get elected, then we can bring an end to this war.
So please, save your bitterness for another day.
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nannycee Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:29 AM
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2. Me, too! n/t
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:30 AM
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3. and unlike all these other clowns..
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 11:11 AM by livedemocarticordie
who are supposed to be on our side... Powell seemed genuinely disturbed by the whole MUSLIM thing. He is literally one of the few persons I have heard say....: No the answer REPUBLICANS is not Barack is not a muslim. The answer is Barack is a Christian--- AND so what if he wasn't? So what if he was a MUSLIM? This is America.

God---mit
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:05 AM
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17. that's exactly right.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:47 AM
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30. It was the strongest denunciation of the "anti-Muslim" political attacks/tactics
and he identified the source of them.

nobody of his stature has come out as strongly and clearly against this as he.

he deserves tremendous credit for that.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:31 AM
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4. I also liked it when Powell said that....
..."all towns have values, not just small towns have values."

The total message is that a Muslim-American in a big city is just as American as a Christian-American in a small town.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:35 PM
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38. Or a suburb
like the ones in St. Louis county that Obama was courting at the Arch yesterday.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM
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5. Some here might call you a wimp, but you are obviously a compassionate and forgiving
human being. Who here at DU if they were able would not choose to go back and correct a huge mistake they made in their lives? I am sure that Colin Powell would do the same. Unlike some, I believe in redemption and forgiveness, and not perfection. I would hope I would be offered the same opportunity.
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:37 AM
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8. If you were directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents..
..I would be hoping that you'd fry.

I'm sorry if my outmoded sense of justice is not suitably zen for some on DU.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:52 AM
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9. Ahh, now that's the attitude that I am sure will help you to live long and prosper.
I am happy that Obama is way smarter than that. Fortunately, I will no longer be able to read anymore of your posts.
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:54 AM
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10. I'll be reading yours.
Because I'm not an intellectual coward who is afraid of differing ideas.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:09 AM
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20. Your excessive negativity during this morning has been most unpleasant
What a grump.
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JSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM
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6. me too.
Goosebumps.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:54 AM
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11. I got tears in my eyes, too.
He was saying just what this country needed so badly to hear. He's pretty near redeemed himself in my book.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:13 PM
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35. Colin Powell could have shut up and never given
us any idea who he voted for -- He could have come out for McCain-but he came out for Obama.


I for one was thrilled to hear him say things in an eloquent manner that could be understood by all Americans and the world.

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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:57 AM
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13. It does make you think...
Why are we such a fearful country?


:hug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:02 AM
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15. Me too.
Sad story.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:05 AM
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18. My dad and I choked up while watching that segment too
That was powerful and is why I am considering forgiving Powell.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:10 AM
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21. I had tears, too...
such a poignant story...
as the Mom of young men,
I could relate to the grief...

and as a citizen of the US,
I am glad he spoke of the religious
freedom, which is the basis of this country.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:32 AM
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25. Here's the photo he described.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 11:32 AM by Phx_Dem
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:38 AM
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26. Me too! n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:43 AM
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27. Powell choked up as he told that story
Put tears in my eyes.

He gets it. He is usually quiet about politics but this so moved him that he came out and took a stand.

These kind of endorsements matter. But in the end, endorsement or no endorsement what Powell said to stop the xenophobia towards American Muslims was absolutely necessary to defend a maligned community and therefore to defend any community maligned simply for who they are.

Good on ya Mr. Powell. That was wonderful and necessary.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:47 AM
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29. I've said it before. HE IS NOT A BAD GUY. HE IS NOT A NEOCON.
He is a military man. He does what he is ordered to do.

Even they have their limits though and know when they have been used...Johannesburg, getting booed for parroting Neocon lies was the final straw IMHO.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:48 AM
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31. and he is not perfect
and a lot of Democrats screwed up on Iraq as well.


But he is an authentic person with his own ideas and his own contributions - and sometimes he makes mistakes.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:52 AM
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33. Yes.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 11:55 AM by YOY
The time has come to admit to it. Or fall into the dustbin of history.

I think the funny thing happening to the Republican party right now is we are seeing those who have the common sense and ability to look at the facts and say "We were wrong." The Neocons never will. The fundies and ultra-nationaistic "patriots" are too stupid (I do mean that 100%.) The fiscal conservatives and libertarians are the ones waking up. I hope they are the new strong voices of their party and not the Reagan worshiping dopes.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 12:19 PM
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36. I cried, too.
That was very powerful.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:05 PM
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37. I cried, too. That was beautifully worded. I have newfound rerspect.
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