Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Welcome the Powell endorsement, because IT HELPS US WIN.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:26 AM
Original message
Welcome the Powell endorsement, because IT HELPS US WIN.
I tend to agree with many people here who criticize Powell for his enabling of the Bush administration's ability to go to war in Iraq and other dark matters.

But Colin Powell's endorsement can only help Obama.

In a calm and deliberative manner he absolutely savaged Palin and nasty Republican tactics.

Powell still garners respect amongst many people--deserved or no. I must admit I still respect him for some things while recognizing his failings in others.

Powell helps Obama win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
1. Win at any cost -- sell your soul for a handful of votes -- sounds like a good idea
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. You finally get it. Welcome.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. MY ASS.
Obama isn't worshiping at the feet of Colin Powell.

Obama has not in any way indicated that his policies will change because of the Powell endorsement.

Powell isn't campaigning for him.

Powell is free to say whatever he wants.

It is moronic to shun his endorsement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
16. Powell talked about how the Republican party was "narrowing" as part of the reason for his defection
They are leaving people out of their party. Those people have to go somewhere. Some will continue to bang their heads against the wall with the GOP. Some are going to be looking for other options.

Now is not the time for OUR party to be narrowing. We need to be all inclusive. We need to be the BIG TENT party...and welcome people that we may disagree with on specific issues, but are looking for common ground.

My parents are Christian Fundies. They have said they WON'T vote for McCain because they think he is insane. There is a slight possibility they may vote for Obama even though they disagree with him on abortion, gay marriage, and they suspect he is a socialist, a muslim, and possibly the anti-christ. But even they are starting to wake up to the realization that the Republican party is not the way forward... that if we don't have some significant change in this country we are in for a shitstorm economically, globally, militarily, socially, etc. Now I'm not saying PANDER to the social and other issues they are so clearly wrong on. But if they are willing to put those issues aside and vote for Obama because they recognize it's for the good of the party, isn't that precisely what we are working so hard for?

All Powell did was say that he was voting for Barack and gave the most clear, concise, poignant explanation of the factors that led him there. He skewered McCain's campaign. What else do you want from him?

Rejecting Powell would be a "narrowing" of our party and is precisely the politics of division that the last 8 years brought us. The Republicans focus on the things that DIVIDE us. We need to focus on finding areas where we AGREE and using that as common ground to move forward. That's how we're going to win. That's how we could MAYBE win by a landslide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
3. He might pull in non-fundy fiscal conservatives like my parents.
There are lots of people just like them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM
Response to Original message
4. Obama was going to win anyway IN SPITE of the war criminal
endorsement.:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 AM
Response to Original message
5. We didn't need this endorsement to win...
..and acting like it won the election for us will make it that much easier for the new admin to disregard the liberal netroots, come January.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
6. I totally argree and may I say I was the FIRST
to post this on DU on October 15th. I was met with disapproval from my peers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7459530
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
8. Powell is probably terrified at the thought of a Palin Presidency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. I certainly got that impression!
I am too terrified of the thoughts of a Palin President.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:35 AM
Response to Original message
10. Correct. Probably at this point it nearly guarantees a win.
I will take it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
11. Yes, it does
I don't get why people are upset about it here. Would they rather he endorsed McCain? Are only "the right kind of votes" good enough?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:38 AM
Response to Original message
12. Are we allowed to both welcome it and still hate Powell. Is that ok?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Me, personally, I'd say yes. Absolutely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Sure. The important thing is that it will helpus win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:46 AM
Response to Original message
14. This is why I am proud to be a liberal.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:47 AM by liberalmuse
I am one of the people who is thrilled with Powell's endorsement, only because I've talked to a lot of moderates and right wingers who idolize the guy and respect his opinions.

Like a scene in the movie, '12 Angry Men', many liberals are unwilling to win if it's not in what they feel is in an honorable way. In other words, Republicans can justify any means to an end, lying, cheating, torture, and even murder, but Dems are the exact opposite. It's how you get there that counts.

I do respect people here for scoffing at the Powell endorsement. I just think that even though the man did not behave in an honorable manner by towing the Bush line in the Iraq war, he does have a right to endorse anyone he wants. Am I a bad person to be very glad he endorsed Obama?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 06:38 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC