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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:05 PM
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I voted today - was accused of VOTER FRAUD!
I had just read a post about people seeing their votes change on the touchscreen before I went over to vote. So after I had the screen completed, before printing, I pulled out my cellphone and snapped a picture. Actually, the risk is probably less with the print-verified machines, but I figured what the hell. Then if the printcopy differed from what had been on the screen, I had something to substantiate a claim that was not what I had entered.


So the guy in the next booth says 'did you just take a picture?' - I looked at him and said 'yeah' and went back to what I was doing. He called the election judge over and protested my doing that. The judge said "so what? - there's no rule against it"

So the guy says "this is a sign of voter fraud. They pay people to vote for their candidate, and require photo proof. They send them in with a camera, and check the photo before they pay them the $5." *

I just said, in my most booming voice "I am a WHOLE lot more concerned about ELECTION fraud than I am about anybody buying votes one at a time. I am concerned that these machines will flip hundreds or thousands of votes!"

The judge told the guy to finish his business, stayed there and "coached" me in printing, seeing that it was working right, told me I had done a good job. :) He was a nice old guy, and handled the situation quite smoothly. I just thanked him and left - didn't tell him I could program the damned thing myself if I wanted to.

Soooo.... is this an isolated incident or perhaps a sign of things to come?

To keep people from using cameras to check on the machines, accuse them of fraud, get the word out, intimidate the neighborhood?

In my case, it was laughable - Illinois is a slam dunk for Obama; my county will be red but so what. No point in spending $5 to buy a vote here, nor in employing any voting machine chicanery. They can't steal Illinois by making this county even redder. But had this guy been reading up on tactics, perhaps some primer on "things to watch out for?" Or was he just a jerk who'd heard "vote early/vote often" one too many times?



*this practice is the reason liquor stores are closed on election day. People used to gather up the town drunks, tell them how to vote, and give each a halfpint in payment. I have no idea why they thought people wouldn't just buy the stuff the day before.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:08 PM
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1. If someone WERE to buy votes and require a photo as "proof"...
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 08:08 PM by IanDB1
You could always photograph a ballot filled-out as you were paid to, and then tell a poll worker you made a mistake on your ballot and request a new one for your ACTUAL vote.

In fact, you could get BOTH sides to buy your vote that way, if BOTH sides were corrupt.


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applexcore Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:08 PM
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2. You should have offered:
"The election judge can watch me delete it once that I see that my ballot has printed correctly."

orrrr a "Mind your own fucking business" would have worked if it happened to hit a nerve with you.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:15 PM
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7. oh, he detected the "mind your own fucking business", I can assure you
between my "imposing demeanor*" and deeeep voice I expect he may have needed to go change his shorts.

*Can't help it. I just LOOK mean. And I expect I could have picked him up, spun around a few times, and bodyslammed him if I'd been inclined.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:09 PM
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3. This is all they've got. You should've laughed in his face.
Actually, what you did was just fine.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:10 PM
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4. Uh...how did that guy know about people being paid to vote & the whole
convoluted process, UNLESS the Repukes are doing it all over the place? Think the guy just showed his hand!

I've never heard of, or even thought of anything like that. That type of cheating is straight out of the Repuke play book!
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:13 PM
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5. You did well. You stayed calm, which is very important, and confidantly stood your ground.
:thumbsup:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:13 PM
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6. Sounds to me like you handled the situation well too!
:toast:
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:17 PM
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8. I plan on snapping a shot of my ballot as my personal "receipt". Seriously...
why can't they make voting machines spit out a receipt like an ATM...the same companies that make voting machines make ATM's...it would only make sense.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:21 PM
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11. well, they do, except you can't have it
this machine had a paper verification that used paper like the atm receipt printer - except it scrolls back into the machine. Then in case of need to recount, they take out the paper and read it, rather than just ask the machine to tell the same lie it did the first time.

But I guess getting your own personal paper copy would be over the top - there have never been such even with the old lever-pull machines, or real "ballot boxes."
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:41 PM
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24. Gotcha...well, I'm still snapping my pic...it will make me feel better. In my precinct...
we fill out the paper ballot and feed it into the machine that reads it. During the primaries, my sister went to the machine and the poll worker said "oh, just put it in this basket...the machine is down right now, we will put the ballots in when it is back up and running"...my sister said "uh, NO. I'll wait" (we live in a VERY red area)...she stood there for 45 minutes until she could watch them feed the pile of ballots into the machine.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:44 PM
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25. good for her
I would not buy that scam either
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:18 PM
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9. You should have told him to fuck off or get his ass beat...
Violence and vulgarity are all that idiots and bulies like that guy understand.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:19 PM
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10. You handled that obvious Mkkkain voter well!
I'm surprised he didn't try to make a scene out of the situation though.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:22 PM
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13. see #7
:)
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:22 PM
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12. I have long thought that
closing liquor stores on election day is truly idiotic. If your candidates win, you want to celebrate. If your candidates lose, you need to drown your sorrows. :)

Actually, I believe that now in many places (most, maybe?) liquor stores are open on election day.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:24 PM
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15. yes, I think that is an archaic practice that never made sense anyway
'way back when, the voting place might have been the Long Branch Saloon, and they had to close while everyone in Dodge voted. Then they'd count, then they'd turn the piano back on and start pouring!

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:24 PM
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14. Fox News
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:25 PM
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16. ??
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:49 PM
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26. that's where the guy got..
the notion that you were committing 'vote fraud'.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:00 PM
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27. ah - ok
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:28 PM
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17. Are liquor stores still closed on election day?
I may have to do more planning ahead than I thought.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:29 PM
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18. I would have been so condescendingly sarcastic the guy would have attacked me
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 08:30 PM by Awsi Dooger
Let's see, an uppercut to the jaw is always a nice counter :)
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:37 PM
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23. see #7
he wasn't going to attack me. I could have screamed in his face if I'd been inclined.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:30 PM
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19. like a homeless person is going to have a cellphone- with a camera no less....
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 08:32 PM by kerry-is-my-prez
n/t
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:32 PM
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20. I hope that people understand that the turnout this election is huge!
It is very important that things run smoothly so that everyone gets to vote. Anything you do to slow things down, hurts Obama's chances.

As you may notice, poll workers are usually eighty year old women who aren't too speedy and get flustered easily. You're not helping Obama buy creating any problems that interfers with the process.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:35 PM
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22. WHO created problems????
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 08:34 PM
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21. hey, maybe I should post the photo here!
looked good - big old check mark next to Obama/Biden.

the screen clears away all the others when you make the selection. Makes it painfully obvious to even those with no familiarity whatsoever with CRT screens, check boxes, anything more technical than their front door key, what selection they have made. I actually like it. With the paper verification it is probably pretty tough to spoof. I mean, obviously they could jigger the numbers so the initial reports were off, and unless there was a recount nobody'd ever know.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:09 PM
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29. "With the paper verification it is probably pretty tough to spoof." NOT! Watch this vid...
UC Computer Scientists Release Video on How to Hack a Sequoia Touch-Screen Voting Machine
Link above is as reported on BRAD BLOG.
Watch the video embedded at the end of the article. Please.

And it sounds like you did a really good job in the voting booth.

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:08 PM
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28. Hi frogcycle! I voted at St. Daniel the Prophet church behind Danada West shopping mall
until I moved in July. So this time around I'm out in Kane Co. at a whole new location. No experience out here in Denny Hastert land but we'll see..... anyway, my story....

Last time I voted in '06 the scantron machine at St. Daniel's spit out my ballot (Dem) 2 times before it accepted it. After 2 rejections I was concerned and asked the election judge if this were normal behavior. He assured me that the vote would count and all was well even though the machine was malfunctioning. Before loading the ballot for the third time I asked him if I could take a picture of it with my cell phone. He amicably agreed (and I know you know my former location - deep red Wheaton IL, at one of the reddest spots in Dupage). I snapped it and voila! the scantron machine finally took my ballot on the third try AFTER I took the photo.

I mildly looked over at the gentleman and wondered aloud about what had happened. He blandly looked back at me and said "huh, weird." Tammy Duckworth lost by a hair to the despicable Pete Roskam of robocall infamy. Bottom line: the rethugs in Dupage have long, tangled roots in election fraud. Be careful out there and thanks for voting Dem AND being educated enough to know your rights. That's what it will take to turn the tide of corruption there.

Peace!

:hug:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:47 PM
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33. hi rider!
I was at the County Building. Early voting is limited locations.

But it's not Denny Hastert land any longer! I worked for Laesch and wish he'd won, but at least Foster is a dem of sorts! He's my congresscritter now.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:10 PM
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30. They'd likely accuse me of assault.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:54 PM
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31. I would have asked, "How do YOU know so much about how voter fraud works?"
"Is that what you are doing?"

I'm guessing he answer would be a lot of hemming and hawing.

Sorry you had to go through that!
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 09:57 PM
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32. What a jerk that guy was! I'm glad the poll worker was more sensible. n/t
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:34 PM
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34. to top off the irony of the whole thing...
Chances are very good that he would get a good tax cut from Obama's plan, whereas based on Obama's description although I would not get an increase, I'd get a negligible cut, if any.

I had just donated to dem candidates minutes earlier, as I have several times.

Like I either needed to or would want to "sell" my vote! But paranoia is evidently indiscriminate.


He evidently heard some horror story on fox news about the evil vote sellers and felt he was doing his civic duty. But it was so illogical it was laughable.
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Iodine99 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM
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35. snapping picture in Polling places
In Texas - I am 99.9% sure that it is ILLEGAL.

Also, you cannot use a cell phone in the Polling Place - in Texas
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