Well, I'll be damn! JOE " the PLUMBER" RELATED to Charles KEATING!!! Oops! WTF?

I did some searching and found this:

Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher related to Charles Keating. Oops.
October 16th, 2008 . by Marty

John McCain did great tonight in the debate. But every time John mentioned “Joe the Plumber,” some of us in the campaign banged our heads against the wall. If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John’s debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). “You idiots - he’s related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!” They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who’s spurned Barack Obama’s tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher’s background.

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But on a night when McCain accused Obama of guilt-by-association, this isn’t going to look good for us. Hello, but on a night when John goes full bore on William Ayers and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five, the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America.

This might remind you of the Paris Hilton scandal - where one side of the McCain campaign attacked her in an ad, not realizing that her family were huge donors. I was the first to warn the campaign of the perils of miscommunication, and that story flared for a week.



http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumb... /

EDITED TO ADD: Here's some more info from the DailyKos--http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845

...according to Thom Hartmann on Air America Radio.

It explains why he's a single dad.

Oops!

thusly;

Joey: It's a moo point

Chandler(?): Moo point?

Joey: Yeah, moo point, you know a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter

Note: May have been someone other than Chandler in the exchange

Suffice it to say that he's a Republican.

but if the OP is accurate, would Steve Schmidt be yelling about an 8th cousin? I mean sure with a common name like Wurzelbacher anything is possible, but I'm not seeing it.

And just what was this poor shmoe "Joe the Plumber" who lives in the Cinncinati area doing in Toledo coincidentally on the ONLY day that Barack Obama was campaigning there? They are 200 miles apart! There is NO Joe Wurzelbacher in Toledo but there is one in Cinncinnati.

Nieheisel is the Kim of Cincinnati.

a suburb of Toledo.
And he is the "Joe the Plumber" guy.
Plus:

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher age 34, lives in Holland Ohio, has lived in
* TOLEDO, OH.....Holland is a suburb of Toledo
* MESA, AZ
* TUCSON, AZ
* NORTH POLE, AK
* GRAND FORKS AFB, ND
* GRAND FORKS, ND
* SYLVANIA, OH

It seems perfectly reasonable, to me; and I'd think a campaign negligent, these days, if they *weren't* trying such tactics.

Most are Republican, in that weird German-Catholic-Conservative way of ours.

meaning that the phrase "KEATING 5" will be back in the news cycle for a day or so which is a plus for us.

Oh poor McCrash he just CANNOT land his pander plane without incident, can he??

I thought he always crashed them back to earth.

who was killed in that Amish school shooting a while back. I'm not Amish, never been in Amish country, never even knew I had distant Amish relatives until a couple years ago, and I'm an extreme technophile.

I'm about as non-Amish as it gets, but my 133t geek credz must be tainted by this Amish relation.

kind of sad that McCain is always the last to know who the people he chooses to exploit really are.

and didn't care because he thinks we're all too stupid to figure it out.

many are dupes though - eg, people with multiple phone lines, 2 addresses, etc.

Doug Wurzelbacher raced dogs in 2000.
http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/davehar...



R.M. Wurzelbacher made a Repug, political contribution from Alaska.
In 2000
but also in 2000 made political contributions from Ohio addresses.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=ANO...

lists 68, plus 2 unlisted. That wouldn't count unpublished, obviously.

Reports have said said Joe the Plumbers full name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. There is a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher in Maricopa ,Ar. I found it on Ancestry.com I let my membership go on the 12th so I can't get details. Anybody have an Ancestry.com subscription?

If the son in law is married to the daughter, then the son in law's son is the daughter's son, too, ergo, the grandson.

You could not make this stuff up.

This is exactly the kind of stuff KO loves.

GAME.

OVER.

his campaign gaffes. Yet, Mcshame is still done. How about that? lol

McCain campaign:

"Open mouth, insert foot."

Heh, even if we're just being gullible and there is no relation, this is still hilarious.

to the Obama campaign!

The ones Joe the Plumber is scheduled to be on tomorrow.

They need a couple of hours to research this, and if confirmed, I'll bet tomorrow morning could be... interesting

Damn shame for McCain, damn shame

joe the plumber is a plant. he was put in the obama rally by the mc crap campaign. how did mc crap know about joe the plumber? were mc crap people at the obama rally? mc crap looked as though he was going to crap in his pants when he found an opening to bring joe the plumber into the debate. joe is a plant. this is mc crap's problem, he misjudges the intelligence of ordinary people. we do know how to put 2 and 2 together and we have good senses to know when something smells bad. joe the plumber is a phony.

I could go out, find an 8th cousin, fuck her brains out, and nobody would give a damn accept Joey Nazinger. It's funny, but it's meaningless.

That is why you had to chime in.

busted

with mc crap in office, where does joe the plumber think he is going to get the money to buy a business that makes over 250,000?

being a Republican campaign contributor, and why he's not voting in this election.

...can this be a coincidence?

There's just...no way.

I'm stumped.

i know... wth?

he seemed like a plant -- like he was on a mission with Obama. Seems all too contrived.

I saw him on the news talking with Obama and something in my gut said this guy "ain't right." His body language was defensive by crossing his arms. I actually was afraid for Obama. Where was the damn secret service?

long and sincere explanation. In fact, he interrupted Obama who had to say, "Wait - let me answer
your question."

Ulterior motive, anyone?

... be attending an Obama rally?

send it to Keith Olbermann

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com /

Some interesting follow up in the comments section.

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/a-keating-c... /

Only 173 Wurzelbacher in US census (!)

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plu... /

Pic of the "business".

I have to go to work soon and will be off DU until 1:00 Pacific time. Arg! I hate missing stuff.

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON,

A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.

The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.

Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel

The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln's parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating's daughters.

Mr. Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty before United States District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer to three felony counts of misapplication of federally insured funds. The charges were not among those made against Mr. Wurzelbacher in last year's Federal indictment.

His guilty plea involved charges arising from $13 million in loans and advances made by Lincoln Savings, which was based in Irvine, Calif. The money went to a limited partnership that owned and operated the Hotel Pontchartrain in Detroit.

Mr. Wurzelbacher and other officers and employees of Lincoln and American Continental, including Mr. Keating and his son, were partners in the limited partnership, according to court documents.

The prosecutors said that in pleading guilty Mr. Wurzelbacher admitted that he and other Lincoln and American Continental executives had made the loans and advances knowing that they probably would not be repaid and were not in Lincoln's best interests.

Prosecutors said that the hotel suffered large losses, but that the limited partnership generated substantial tax benefits for Mr. Wurzelbacher and the other limited partners.

In all, Lincoln suffered losses of more than $23 million on loans to the hotel, according to a civil suit against Mr. Keating filed last year by the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal savings and loan bailout agency.

Mark Beck, a lawyer for Mr. Wurzelbacher, said that in pleading guilty to three counts his client would not be subject to the strict sentencing guidelines that would apply to the charges in the indictment.

"It was not an easy decision, but he had to keep in mind that as the father of two grade-school children he faced substantial consequences if the defense was unsuccessful at trial," Mr. Beck said.

Lincoln was seized by Federal regulators three years ago just after American Continental filed for bankruptcy protection. Lincoln's collapse is expected to cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Mr. Keating, unfairly in his view, has come to embody the political influence peddling, mismanagement and fraud that pervaded the savings and loan industry.

As part of his plea, Mr. Wurzelbacher agreed to cooperate with the continuing investigation of Lincoln by the United States Justice Department and a host of state and local law-enforcement and regulatory agencies, said David A. Sklansky, an assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case.

Mr. Sklansky said the Government had also agreed to move for dismissal of all the counts against Mr. Wurzelbacher in the Federal indictment. Mr. Wurzelbacher could be sentenced to as many as 15 years in prison and fined as much as twice the loss caused by his actions.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DF...

When I worked at Lincoln Savings for the RTC in 1991-1992, that was one of the most active files. I can't tell you how many times I lugged those enormous books out of the file room, copied hundreds of pages, and handed them to the lawyers.

And yes, I remember a substantial amount of the details.




Tansy Gold, silent for the moment.

I would love to hear more details. I've been keeping a research journal about a lot of these scandals that rethuglicons always seem to be involved with.

He is CLEARLY in the tank for McCain and trying to conjure up some sort of story to impress his freeper friends. I bet he did do it spontaneously but now regrets it because all his bullsh!t is going to come out and I'm sure it will piss his family off to no end given they are big Republican donors.

Everyone should listen to the Couric interview to hear how in the tank for McCain this guy is while trying to pretend his isn't. He is nothing but a racist wingnut who tried comparing Obama to Sammy Davis Jr., and got shot-down while trying to stump Obama on his tax plan.

and never even thought about how his name might be a problem.

http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1465/p...

Exclusive: Obama – ‘Spread the Wealth Around’ Reveals Socialist Plan for America
Interview with Joe Wurzelbacher

One of my all-time favorite McCain photos:

the onion out of work again.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/16/the-plumber /

So Joe's Company, which is in his name, is presumably not needing to be purchased. And its revenue is less than Obamas 250k anyway.

Link no longer works!

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=WUR...

Just in case it disapears also, I'm posting the contents, it is his campaign contributions:


Contributor Candidate or PAC Amount Date FEC Filing
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD , OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $3,000
primary 04/04/03
Wurzelbacher, Robert M. Mr.
Milford , OH 45150
Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 03/27/03
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED PERKINS, ANTHONY RICHARD (R)
Senate - LA
PERKINS FOR SENATE $200
general 11/04/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
RETIRED TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
Senate - MO
TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $200
general 10/31/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $200
general 10/29/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
Senate - MO
TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $250
general 10/17/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 10/09/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED PERKINS, ANTHONY RICHARD (R)
Senate - LA
PERKINS FOR SENATE $250
general 10/09/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert Mr.
Milford, OH 45150
Retired STATON, CECIL POPE JR (R)
House (GA 11)
STATON FOR CONGRESS INC. $200 10/09/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45750
RETIRED SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
Senate - OR
GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $200
general 10/08/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED COLEMAN, NORM (R)
Senate - MN
NORM COLEMAN FOR U S SENATE $250
general 10/08/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $250
general 10/07/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 08/23/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
None/Retired BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
primary 06/25/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED COLEMAN, NORM (R)
Senate - MN
NORM COLEMAN FOR U S SENATE $250
primary 06/18/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 GANSKE, JOHN GREG (R)
Senate - IA
GANSKE FOR SENATE $250
general 06/17/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
None/Retired BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
primary 04/17/02
Wurzelbacher, Robert M. Mr.
Milford, OH 45150
Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/16/02
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $-500
primary 10/01/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MRS
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $-500
primary 10/01/01
Wurzelbacher, Robert
Milford, OH 45150
-/Retired
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/30/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/27/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 04/25/01
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
THE CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD PRODUCT
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $250
primary 11/06/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED FEDERER, WILLIAM J (R)
House (MO 03)
FEDERER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $200
general 11/03/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED FEDERER, WILLIAM J (R)
House (MO 03)
FEDERER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $200
general 11/03/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
general 11/01/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 10/27/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $250
general 10/25/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $350
general 09/18/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
THE CINCINNATI DOWEL & WOOD PRODUCT
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $250
primary 09/01/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $2,000
primary 08/30/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $200
general 08/11/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED LAZIO, RICK A (R)
Senate - NY
LAZIO 2000 INC $1,000
primary 08/09/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED LAZIO, RICK A (R)
Senate - NY
LAZIO 2000 INC $1,000
general 08/09/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $200
general 08/08/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
MILFORD, OH 45150
CINCINATI DOWEL-WOOD PRODUCTS CO
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS/ SAVE AMERICAS FREE ENTERPRISE TRUST $200
primary 07/10/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL (R)
Senate - OH
DEWINE FOR US SENATE $1,000
general 06/30/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 06/21/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $500
general 05/08/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MR
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
DICK ARMEY CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (R) $500
general 05/05/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED GIULIANI, RUDOLPH W (R)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF GIULIANI EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE $250
primary 04/27/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED BARR, ROBERT L JR (R)
House (GA 06)
BARR FOR CONGRESS $250
primary 04/20/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $1,000
primary 02/23/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150
RETIRED
OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY STATE CENTRAL & EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $500
primary 02/17/00
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MR
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) $1,000
primary 10/20/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45158
RETIRED GIULIANI, RUDOLPH W (R)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF GIULIANI EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE $250
primary 09/14/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M MRS
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $500
primary 08/06/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT M
CINCINNATI, OH 45213
RETIRED
FRIENDS OF PHIL GRAMM PAC (R) $500
primary 08/06/99
WURZELBACHER, ROBERT
MILFORD, OH 45150 ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
Senate - MO
ASHCROFT 2000 $200
primary 04/28/99
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From:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DF...

A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.

The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.

Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel

The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln's parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating's daughters.

Mr. Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty before United States District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer to three felony counts of misapplication of federally insured funds. The charges were not among those made against Mr. Wurzelbacher in last year's Federal indictment.

His guilty plea involved charges arising from $13 million in loans and advances made by Lincoln Savings, which was based in Irvine, Calif. The money went to a limited partnership that owned and operated the Hotel Pontchartrain in Detroit.

Mr. Wurzelbacher and other officers and employees of Lincoln and American Continental, including Mr. Keating and his son, were partners in the limited partnership, according to court documents.

The prosecutors said that in pleading guilty Mr. Wurzelbacher admitted that he and other Lincoln and American Continental executives had made the loans and advances knowing that they probably would not be repaid and were not in Lincoln's best interests.

Prosecutors said that the hotel suffered large losses, but that the limited partnership generated substantial tax benefits for Mr. Wurzelbacher and the other limited partners.

In all, Lincoln suffered losses of more than $23 million on loans to the hotel, according to a civil suit against Mr. Keating filed last year by the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal savings and loan bailout agency.

Mark Beck, a lawyer for Mr. Wurzelbacher, said that in pleading guilty to three counts his client would not be subject to the strict sentencing guidelines that would apply to the charges in the indictment.

"It was not an easy decision, but he had to keep in mind that as the father of two grade-school children he faced substantial consequences if the defense was unsuccessful at trial," Mr. Beck said.

Lincoln was seized by Federal regulators three years ago just after American Continental filed for bankruptcy protection. Lincoln's collapse is expected to cost taxpayers $2.6 billion. Mr. Keating, unfairly in his view, has come to embody the political influence peddling, mismanagement and fraud that pervaded the savings and loan industry.

As part of his plea, Mr. Wurzelbacher agreed to cooperate with the continuing investigation of Lincoln by the United States Justice Department and a host of state and local law-enforcement and regulatory agencies, said David A. Sklansky, an assistant United States attorney who is prosecuting the case.

Mr. Sklansky said the Government had also agreed to move for dismissal of all the counts against Mr. Wurzelbacher in the Federal indictment. Mr. Wurzelbacher could be sentenced to as many as 15 years in prison and fined as much as twice the loss caused by his actions.

Linky?

OP link was all I had to go on, the text from that link is posted in OP but I have no way of confirming that the two are actually brothers.... What I AM finding about this character is DAMNED FASCINATING and IF he is indeed the Plumbers brother..... if not I live up to my namesake!

It worked just fine earlier

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/

OP link still gives me 'Not Found' yet yours works just fine! Must be a bug in my system somewhere

when I go to the link I posted in the OP, it says not found, but when I go to the above link it does

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumb...

someone beat me to it because I got sidetracked on a search trying to find more about the possible relationship.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845

Look for joeyess's comment near the bottom entitled: "BLUEGA!!! You've been vindicated!!!"

seriously, i work on wall street in a very data driven environment, i'm not one to jump to conclusions but this whole Joe thing is odd on so many levels. It just doesn't smell right, this could wind up being a big hoax played on the entire country for the sake of some loser's 15 minutes of fame and some fodder for GOP talking points. The mainstream media will probably be behind the curve on this, I hope the bloggers and independent investigators can figure this out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I had to go to bed shortly after this, but woke up thinking about it first thing.

Missing Puzzle Pieces… •October 16, 2008 • No Comments
aren’t turning up. Actually there are some holes big enough that they may change the narrative. Double checking some assumptions made early on and looking into the mysterious presence of a spectre resembling Pan. More to come.

Posted in Circus '08, Joe the Plumber, Uncategorized
Tags: Charles Keating, hoax, Joe Wurzelbacher, John McCain Joe the Plumber, Richard Wurzelbacher, the Keating five

Confirmation of Joe’s Identity and Link to Keating •October 16, 2008 • 6 Comments
2:15 am Thursday October 16. 2008

Ok, this is the big one. We have confirmation that the last name we were using is in fact correct so I will now reveal the connections since the name has been said on MSNBC and CBS.

Joe the Plumber is Joe Wurzelbacher. There is a Jan Wurzelbacher associated with a Joe and the address with the building I have pictured below. Earlier tonight I called the number associated with that address and the name Wurzelbacher Bros. and the machine message made no mention at all of any business.

Now to the Keating connection. As mentioned in a previous post the name Wurzelbacher is fairly uncommon so it’s not hard to track down potential connections just using geography and ages to make the likely connections. There is a Robert Wurzelbacher who died in 2004 (possibly deceased is more accurate) who is in the same area and is of an appropriate age to be a parent or uncle to Joe who according to reunion.com is 33. This Robert Wurzelbacher not only had a history of campaign contributions to republicans but is implicated in the Keating Five scandal. The full text of the article relating to this is below. There are other Wurzelbacher contributions to McCain and other republicans in other parts of the country. We are looking into those now. With the confirmation of the last name and the limit number of family members this looks very bad. There is also no such plumbing business listed or advertising and the number I called (I only called one so as not to disturb at a home number late at night) makes no effort to tell you that you have reached a business. This is looking very, very much like an act.

http://citizenworm.wordpress.com /

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com /

I hope the usual suspects at DU have already sent this to the morning shows that "Joe Werzelburger" (as McCain called him) is going to be on.



Hekate

'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...

By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY
BLADE STAFF WRITERS

The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night.
And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest.
Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics.
"Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues."

He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate.

more at above link