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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:07 PM
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Are republicans freaking out over John Glenn's "Hitler" comment?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0409040123...

Former Sen. John Glenn of Ohio, campaigning with Kerry in the town about 25 miles east of Columbus, urged voters "to separate out fact from fiction." He accused Republicans of making false claims against Kerry and engaging in the kind of propaganda once employed by the Third Reich in Nazi Germany.

"That makes this a very, very tough fight because too often, too often in this country, if you hear something repeated, it's the old Hitler business," Glenn said. "If you hear something repeated, repeated, repeated, repeated, you start to believe it."
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:09 PM
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1. The truth can be painful and these poeple don't know truth anymore!
Glenn was at the Akron rally, he still looks good for an old guy!
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:09 PM
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2. Well he should know
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 04:09 PM by DaveSZ
He was a veteran of WWII right?

My grandfather who is a WWII vet says the same thing about Bush; reminds him of Hitler.
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:10 PM
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4. Korea for sure, I am not sure about WW II.
nt
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:20 PM
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10. I think he was a Pacific Theater carrier pilot
during WWII. again :" God Bless John Glenn "
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:41 PM
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19. Yep, both WWII and Korea...
And he was a fighter pilot in serious combat both times. I remember a picture in LIFE magazine years ago showing him standing next to his F86 Sabrejet in Korea with a BIG shellhole under the wing. He was grinning, of course... there's a guy with the RIGHT STUFF!

:toast: :loveya: :yourock:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:09 PM
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3. let 'em come. he's john fucking glenn
we *want* to get into THAT argument.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:12 PM
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7. the only question...
how (not whether) will they smear him? Suggest his time in space caused brain damage? I nominate Charles Krauthammer to issue the diagnosis.

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Dimsdale Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:25 PM
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12. Dr. Kraphammer?
Yes, eminently qualified....And Rushbutt will arrive at an identical diagnosis on his next spewfest.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:10 PM
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5. Certainly hope that they
are going to bring this up, that's how these statements make the news and get people thinking. God bless John Glenn!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:11 PM
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6. I keep fighting the idea to identify the Bush regime with Hitler but....
I cannot get rid of the thought that continues to peek out somewhere in the recesses of my subconscious...It refuses to die.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:13 PM
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8. Well, when I read stuff like this...
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm

Published on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times
Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:24 PM
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20. The normal have nothing to fear.
I have no doubt I would end up in one of these camps if certain people had their way.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:13 PM
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9. I keep trying to ignore this elephant in my kitchen
if only it didn't stink so much.



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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:25 PM
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13. Its just a matter of degree. Bush is not as smart or competant
as Hitler was. Nor was he decorated with the Iron Cross second class for courage under fire. For that matter Stalin was smarter and more competant than Bush.
He would be as evil as they were if given the opportunity - espccially since God speaks to him directly.

I am coming to equate bush supporters with Brown Shirts however.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:26 PM
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14. cheering at Arnold's UN bashing
that was scary.

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:29 PM
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15. Der W ist der sieg!
Too bad Albert Speer could not have helped stage the 2004 Party Rally.

" Fill in the Ranks and keep the banners flying
Homeland Security Troopers march with silent steady tread"

to paraphrase the Horst Wessel Song.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:23 PM
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11. the kind of propaganda once employed by the Third Reich in Nazi Germany.
I hope more people wake up to this FACT
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:31 PM
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16. Turn about is fair play and we still speak the truth. To f**king bad
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:34 PM
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17. There will be some sort of "astronauts for truth" group
Claiming John Glenn didn't really orbit the earth, he only faked it knowing he was going to run for Senate as a Democrat.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:08 PM
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27. "Mercury 11 Astronauts for Truth"
and the stunning new book "Unfit to Orbit". I think Alan Shepherd is leading this group
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 04:37 PM
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18. I wonder when John Glenn found out about Operation Northwoods?
If I were him, and had the knowledge that my own government was considering blowing me up in a rocket to justify the invasion of Cuba, I think I would be inclined to think of them as Nazis.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:38 PM
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21. Karl Rove was the first person to compare Bush to Hitler.
Of course, Rove did it in a complimentary and admiring way.

I love pointing this out to Brown Shirts for Bush when they claim that comparing Bush to Hitler is irrational. I always emphasize that if anyone would know whether Bush was similar to Hitler it would be Rove.

It really annoys me that democrats never mention this on television.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:52 PM
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24. Whoaaaa. I must have missed that.
Any chance that you have a link for Rove saying that?

sw
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:01 PM
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26. The only link I have handy is from Drudge, but here it is.
Drudge excerpting from Woodward's book "Bush At War:

ROVE THOUGHT POST-9/11 WORLD SERIES GAME LIKE NAZI RALLY

"The president emerged wearing a New York Fire Department windbreaker. He raised his arm and gave a thumbs-up to the crowd on the third base side of the field. Probably 15,000 fans threw their arms in the air imitating the motion.

He then threw a strike from the rubber, and the stadium erupted. Watching from owner George Steinbrenners box, Karl Rove thought, Its like being at a Nazi rally." (p. 277)

http://www.drudgereport.com/wood.htm (emphasis added).
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:17 PM
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29. Thanks! I don't need to click on Drudge, though.
knowing that it's from Woodward's book is a good enough source.

Thanks again,
sw
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:45 PM
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22. Hitler and Bush....
both cheated to take the offices they served

both use fear to get more power

both talked out of their asses and repeated the lies so much people began to believe it

both started illegal wars

I COULD GO ON......ENOUGH FOR NOW....THIS IS SO SAD!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:48 PM
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23. If the truth hurts,
to damn bad! If he didn't act like Hitler, if his administration wasn't a mirror imagine of the Third Reich ....No One would be saying that. Tough shit if they don't like it. Let 'em freak out.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:59 PM
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25. I hope his Hitler reference gets legs!
This is the first I have heard about it and I love it! Sen. Glenn keep up the good work! :toast:
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rullery Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:13 PM
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28. Karl Rove, the strategist for Bush, admires Hitler's tactics.
Now we know what I have suspected for some time. I'm glad that John Glenn pointed it out. As a national hero, people cannot just dismiss what he has to say. I only hope enough folks wake up to what is going on before election day. If Bush manages to stay in office, we may never have another chance to rid ourselves of these Fascists! Truly, this could be America's last free election.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:17 PM
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30. I love John Glenn
He would make a wonderful governor...he was a great senator, and dammit, he would have been a fine president as well.

He makes me proud to be a Buckeye.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:18 PM
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31. God Speed, John Glenn!
Thank you for stating what needed to be said. Whenever the country needed a hero, John Glenn stood up and said, "Reporting for duty."



President Kennedy and John Glenn check out Friendship 7.
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:22 PM
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32. If anyone can say something like this, it's John Glenn
I dare the flyboy in chief's frat buddies to call Mr. Right Stuff - who REALLY flew fighter jets and THEN flew rockets - unpatriotic.

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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:26 PM
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33. I don't know how the republicans are reacting, but I think its GREAT!!!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:29 PM
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34. The Hitler comparison is..
true. I took many German WWII history classes in college, and I've thought the same thing about BUsh for some time now.

I would love to read a comparison by a good scholar of Nazi propoganda.

Even right now, I see Bush using one of Hitler's greatest tactics. People didn't really like him or support his policies, but they felt a sense of inevitability which lulled them into complacency and hopelessness. They just gave up fighting and accepted him.

I see shades of that happening right now. Look at the strong reaction to these most recent polls. Look at the number of threads started recently (it doesn't matter if they are plants or genuine) declaring Bush the victor, the conclusion foregone.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:48 PM
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35. Hermes-Press: Nazification of America
The folk who run Hermes-Press seem smarter than the average puke -- lot smarter than me, too, come to think of it. Like you and many DUers, today's parallels to NAZI times cannot be ignored.

Nazification of America

Phase 1: Hitler appointed Chancellor. Bush appointed Resident.

Phase 2: An atrocity to subdue the people. Reichstag fire and WTC/Pentagon attacks.

Phase 3: The leader destroys elections and appoints himself dictator.

SOURCE:

http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm

There's a lot of info and plenty o' links for the readers amongst us.

Gee. Sounds like we're in some kind of hot water.

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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:52 PM
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36. Huey P. Long
"If facism comes here, it'll be wrapped in the American flag."
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:54 PM
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37. I am not a stupid moron,
I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron, I am not a stupid moron!

I am not a stupid moron!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 04:55 PM
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38. LOL
good one
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