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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:32 AM
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For WHAT insane reason would McCain bring up Ayers in the debate tonight?
He has GOT TO know by now that there is a HUGE Republican connection ~~ the Annenbergs ~~ to the board both Obama and Ayers sat one. IMO, it says more GOOD to Pubbies about Obama that the Annenbergs would approve of him on the board than it says bad about Obama that he and Ayers sat on the same board about educational issues.

:shrug:

So....WHY in the hell would McCain bring this up????
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:33 AM
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1. I really don't think he would.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:33 AM
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2. I don't see McKlan as MUCH more informed than Palin is outside of his circle. He's blatant
...disconnection from the real world is showing and this makes his Palin pick more obvious
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:34 AM
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3. Well, because he already basically promised to. Stupid. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:35 AM
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6. Yeap and after seeing how on Sunday he was still promoting this Ayers shit I wouldn't doubt he'd do
...it but do it real subtly
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:02 PM
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25. Exactly. He'll do it in code words.
That will allow his base to say that he stood up to Obama. That then puts Obama in the position of making a decision whether to respond to the code words and how.

I think Obama will and should take any possible opportunity to jump down McCain's throat about the Ayres thing, even if McCain only slightly brushes the issue using code words.

He has McCain in a real box here. He has him dead to rights on the facts. Clearly this is a gross distortion, and one where McCain has much more to lose than to gain, considering McCain's associations with Keating and Saddam Hussein.

Obama can and should make that case, but then turn it to the more powerful moral case with "OK, we expect that kind of distortion in politics. I wasn't born yesterday. But let's look at the real problem. Instead of engaging in helpful, constructive discussion about the problems Americans are facing, all we here from "this one" are character assassinations. Instead of talking about the issues, their campaign events are all about whipping their supporters into a mad frenzy. This is not benign and it is not good for America. Just yesterday morning, I had a campaign office receive a threatening letter that appeared to a deadly substance. This is what happens when our efforts are on generating more heat than light.

"This is not what America needs now."
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:35 AM
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7. Sooooooo.....if he does NOT, the base is not gonna vote Obama-Biden...
...but if he does, IMO, it is a total loser for him.

Man, talk about painting oneself into a corner! :hi:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:34 AM
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4. Because he never turns down a dare. That would make him a coward.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 11:35 AM by sparosnare
Obama called him out and by golly, he's got to make good on it or he might not ever live it down (within himself). It was a genius move on Obama's part.
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AtomTan Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:34 AM
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5. Since when has he needed a reason to do anything stupid, reckless, or inexplicable? nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:35 AM
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9. Good point....
...:hi: and welcome to the DU!
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:35 AM
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8. If he doesn't, he's a big chickenshit hypocrite.
*crossing my fingers that McCrankyPants mentions Ayers*
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:36 AM
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12. It's a loser IMO either way he goes. n/t
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:00 PM
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30. Yep, he'll look scared if he doesn't bring it up and if he does bring it up
he'll be made an ass out of.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:36 AM
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10. He won't have to Scheffier will
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:36 AM
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13. Yep. Schieffer's the one who HAS to.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:37 AM
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14. Seriously....
...you really think the mod will bring it up? Why do you think so?

TIA for your thoughts on this...:hi:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:51 AM
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22. Because Scheiffer is a Bush Crime Family tool
His brother is Chimpy's ambassador to Japan. Ever since the debate schedule was announced, this was the one I was most worried about. Tom Brokenjaw is a tool as well, but the "town hall" format kept him from doing much, apart from consistently cutting off Obama's responses using the "time" excuse.

This "debate" is probably going to be reminiscent of that last primary debate on ABC, where Gibson and Snuffleupagus wasted a whole hour on flag pins and other irrelevant bullshit. And the Ayers crap fits that category.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:04 PM
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27. OK....I see why he is suspect....
...but I am still wondering if he cannot see that bringing this up is not really that good for McCain ~~ at least that is how I see it.

:hi:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:36 AM
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11. I don't think he'll bring up Ayers. Suits McLiar better if it isn't confronted.
Works better for McLiar and Failin if it is all mysterious and not clarified.

He doesn't want Obama to ask if he has shared his concerns with the Annenbergs, prominent Republican donors.

He doesn't want Obama to ask if he has told his Republican colleagues to return the donations from the Annenbergs.

He doesn't want Obama to ask if he has repudiated the endorsement of Lenore Annenberg because she consorted with Ayers and gave him millions of dollars in funding.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:40 AM
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15. He can't resist the Triple Dog Dare
Of course, if he doesn't resist it, he'll end up with his tongue stuck to the frozen flagpole.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:41 AM
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16. he's a maverick....bwahahahahahaaaa
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:41 AM
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17. McCain sat on the board of the ultra right wing 'Nazi' USCWF
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:41 AM
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18. It's pretty much a lose-lose for him.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 11:42 AM by deadparrot
If he follows through with the promise to mention Ayres, a topic for which the Obama campaign is undoubtedly prepared, he'll receive a prompt smackdown, while undecideds will be turned off by his negativity.

If he chickens out again, his base is pissed.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:45 AM
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20. That is how I see it, too....
...he loses either way he goes on this issue.

IMO, tho, the loss is bigger if he mentions it because while his base might be pissed if he does not, that is not gonna bring them around to vote Obama-Biden. Doing, however, might bring some undecides or weak McCain votes over to Obama.

Man, raking over Obama for what some guy did when Obama was 8 years old? What total stupidity IMO.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:42 AM
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19. Because his wingnuttiest supporters want him to.
It's an issue of VITAL importance to them, because it supports (in their little pea-brains) their "Obama's not one of us" meme without being, you know, TOO overtly racist. Damn the actual issues, full speed ahead with the dog-whistle innuendos about Obama's "otherness." Basically, it's all they've got.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:50 AM
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21. McCain will bring it up OBLIQUELY so on Thursday he can say "See I said it to his face."
He won't make the charge directly, and may not even mention Ayres' name. He will probably say something like "I just believe that it is important who one associates with. And I will never buddy up to any terrorist."
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:52 AM
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23. My guess...The moderator will arbitrarily give McCain the last closing statement
McCain will then be able to work Ayers into "who are you going to trust?" and not have to worry about Obama giving him a smack down.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:00 PM
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24. Because Obama double-dog dared him to, and a REAL man doesn't
back away from a challenge. If it goes bad, well he'll just have to get back up, brush himself off and get back into that cockpit. Never back down, no matter how often you crash and burn!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:04 PM
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26. I think one thing mccrap has failed to realize about Obama is....


:-)

Plus, he's been truthful.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:24 PM
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28. Because he is insane..
He does whatever his staff tells him to, he is not in charge of himself...I don't think he ever has been...last night when they did that show on PBS on him and Obama, they showed a picture of mccain when he was doing research for the government on why we lost the Vietnam war..his eyes were totally devoid of any intelligence and I thought to myself, that's why he thinks we could have won if it had been better run, he's lacking even a clue of intelligense....so I'm thinking he has always just done what he's been told to do...most of the time he couldn't even tell you how he voted on different bills in the Senate...
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:44 PM
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29. Because he has asked all the RW pundits to harp on it and they'll want some
backup from him. nt
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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:10 PM
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31. . . .
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:14 PM
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32. because he must..
otherwise he is a coward.
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