WTF is this?!? MoveOnForAmerica.com

[NewHampshireDem]

http://www.moveonforamerica.org/

Someone tell me this is a joke. Please.

[Florida_Geek]

1. The Repugs answer to MoveOn

question is will they be as successful as MoveOn...

[Richardson08]

36. The Moveon ads have been very disappointing

A few of them were on the Fox New Channel during the RNC convention.They are not hard hitting at all.They need to set up their tone and start hitting back.

[still_one]

2. I am waiting for Kerry to set the agenda

Kerry needs to ATTACK THE BUSH LIES NOW!

[Ruffhowse]

3. The Repug slime machine expands. Time to pull out all the stops

and fight fire with fire. We can't afford to take the high road with this stuff, we HAVE to respond in kind. I don't like it, as I'm sure most Dems don't, but history has shown us that if you try to turn the other cheek in politics, you lose. As for these particular ads from this group, they are cheap and amatuerish looking, and not very effective, but slime sticks no matter what the quality I'm afraid.

[NYC Liberal]

4. Good name.

We DO need to "MoveOn" from Bush "ForAmerica"'s sake.

[blondeatlast]

14. Good name? It's not exactly original. The real deal is here:

www.moveon.org

www.moveon.pac

They've been all over the news lately...

Again, wishing DU had a <sadly shaking head> icon...

[Sydnie]

44. Just correcting the link

http://www.moveonpac.org/

[DarkPhenyx]

5. At least they are consistently unimaginative.

I'm still trying to figure out why we aren't better at predicting their next move. They are all but bloody well faxing us their memos.

[mazzarro]

6. Need to start pre-emptive action against them NOW!

Start by finding out the clowns behind the site and to go after the organization and whatever information that can be gleemed about them.

[incapsulated]

7. Like that will help

Did uncovering the "truth" about the Swiftboat liars stop them? Did the media stop giving them interviews or running their ads? They are going to be running new ads all through the election, now that they've got millions more in donations.

NO. It's time to fight BACK.

Where the fuck are OUR 527 hit men??? All it takes is some goddamn money, and we've been throwing cash at Kerry. Why doesn't the MoveOn 527 wing do something equally hard hitting right now?

People, we have to realize we are dealing with folks that will do anything to win. ANYTHING. The question is, who wants it more and what are the consequences of deciding not to "go there" this time around? The Fire Rumsfeld ads won't cut it. We have to show the kind of shit that Bush has all over him that would make people hide their children from him.

And don't tell me about it supressing voter turnout. It will engergize the base to see the Dems fighting back, for once! The amount of potential Democratic voters outnumber fundie right-wing nutcases. Our non-voting base is stronger and larger. We have to go on offense against Bush and go after that base!

[blondeatlast]

15. They don't even show up in Google--fugedaboutit. nt

[Lovecrafty]

8. This isn't going anywhere!

I mean, there are TONS of anti-Bush websites across the net and I never see anything come of it. Likewise, there are tons of anti-Kerry websites with little men with dreams of granduer at being the one who took a national hit at Kerry...but most are doomed to fail. Remember the big Kerry Intern Scandal the Freepers were drooling over?! You see how far that got! Or those "stolen" FBI files that supposidly proved Kerry's ties with some radical groups plot to kill some Senators! Those stories simply died on the vine because they were too outrageous to believe. Even FOX never really tried to pick up on that Kerry Scandal Story, especially when the parents of the alleged intern started coming out publicly praising Kerry! They realized they would be turning it into a Kerry lovefest on their airtime!!

So don't worry about these fringe websites. The Swiftliars are going down every week! And Sunday is when 60 Minutes begins the Barnes bashing about getting Bush into the national guard!! ONE MORE DAY PEOPLE and we begin dropping the Hammer!!!

[incapsulated]

10. They are going to run on the AIR

Starting Sept. 13. This isn't just a "fringe" website. They are going to put this shit on tv.

[SayitAintSo]

33. Please tell me you are kidding....

I just viewed them... incredible...

[ET Awful]

9. LOL . . . yeah, Kerry's a big bad man because

he did his job as a criminal attorney. WAAAAAAAAAA.

And he's friends with Al Sharpton. BOOOO FUCKIN HOOOOOOO.

Do they really want to start running ads about FRIENDS of the candidates? We could do a few juicy ones about Ken Lay.

[NewHampshireDem]

11. It just seems too 'over the top' to be real

I mean, the Willie Horton ad seems to me to be more damaging to * than to Kerry, as it recalls the dirtiest of the dirty tricks of the past. The Sharpton video, as was pointed out, only invites the question, "Who is * friends with?" It almost invokes the images of the *ies cavorting with the Saudis in F9-11.

I don't know. :shrug:

[incapsulated]

12. That's what I thought when I saw the Swiftboat ads...

The Republicans never make the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the average voter.

[incapsulated]

16. I'm trying to google this Marks guy, to see if this is legit...

So far all I've got is that he was a Buchanan staffer... Penthouse article...

[Democat]

47. Here is another match

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2002/20020524murs.html

[Lovecrafty]

19. Any serious voter who values their selection of a candidate..

will have already discovered on the internet enough information discrediting the Swiftliars! Let's get real people! Most EVERYONE that is going to be voting this Novemeber made up their minds looooong ago. I doubt seriously there is a large segment of our population that has been unaware of Iraq and the fact NO WMD have been found, or Enron, or all the myriad of other Bush failures the last three years. Those voting for Bush wouldn't vote for a Democrat NO MATTER WHO IT WAS!! It could be Kennedy himself and they would STILL vote for Bush! I mean seriously, can you think of anyone who was all ready to vote for Kerry, having weighed the issues and counted the dwindling money in their own bank accounts from lower wages and higher health care costs, but suddenly saw that Swiftboat Ad and said "Well damn I guess I better vote for Bush because these guys MUST be telling the truth...who needs money and healthcare anyway!"

I know that most people that actually get out and vote are NOT stupid people and can research and study the candidates honestly. And we ALL should know the damning evidence available already that clearly says Bush has GOT TO GO!! And what is the liklihood of a voter never seeing Bush seriously screw up on camera with another Bushism!! That alone makes a person skeptical of his intelligence!

[Julien Sorel]

13. OMG OMG OMG. KERRY MUST DEFEND AGAINST THIS RIGHT NOW.

He has to pull out all the stops and crush these ads immediately. He must personally issue a denial against any and all charges, and then he has to smear the people who started this 527. He has to start a nationwide ad campaign counterattacking against these charges. If he doesn't they will take off exactly like the Swift Hoax ads did!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do something Kerry! Stop acting like Dukakis and dooooooooooooo sooooooooommmethingggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[incapsulated]

18. yeah, cause..

Nobody ever heard of the Swift boat vets, right? I mean that just disappeared in, what, 48 hours.

[Julien Sorel]

21. So what do you suggest?

Since every attack is guaranteed to take off, Kerry must defend against every attack. So defend against this one which, after all, actually has some basis in reality, so it should be even more of an issue. Here's your chance! Line out the strategy that will squash this like a bug before it ever takes wing.

[incapsulated]

24. No, he can't defend against every attack

Just the major attacks, like the swiftliars. He waited far too long for that story to grow legs and start running around town before taking action.

He also needs to go on the offense. I know you completely disagree with that strategy, so I'm not going to bother trying to convince you. You've read all the arguments, I won't do any better.

I've got to go in few minutes, anyway! :hi:

[Julien Sorel]

30. I completely disagree is right.

The Swift Hoax thing took off with media help. No one could accurately predict beforehand it would turn out to be big. If this thing turns out big, which I doubt it will, the exact same people who are now wailing about the Swift Hoax will be doing the same here. Hindsight is a beautiful thing that turns ugly when combined with not-too-bright people and the free speech environs of a message board.

He also needs to go on the offense. I know you completely disagree with that strategy, so I'm not going to bother trying to convince you. You've read all the arguments, I won't do any better.

Please show me where I disagree with the idea Kerry should go on the offense. What I disagree with, for the umpteenth time, is the idea that there is only one way to go on the offense. Too bad you have to go -- I'd sure love that example.

[blondeatlast]

17. They don't even come up on Google. Forget 'em.

I'm not losing any sleep if they can't afford to pay Google for a pushed search.

Try it--I've tried 5 different searches and they don't show up at all.

How'd you find it, anyhow?

[incapsulated]

20. They just registered Aug. 25th

Whois lookup:

Domain Name:MOVEONFORAMERICA.ORG
Created On:25-Aug-2004 17:06:35 UTC
Expiration Date:25-Aug-2005 17:06:35 UTC

Registrant Name:Stephen Marks
Registrant Organization:Move On For America
Registrant Street1:2200 Wilson Blvd #49
Registrant City:Arlington
Registrant State/Province:VA
Registrant Postal Code:22201
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Email:[email protected]

[blondeatlast]

23. Interesting, but I still don't see them as a threat.

Registered 8/25?

That gives them about 75 ds before the election to raise enough funds to run an ad.

Unless people will actually confuse them with the original MoveOn, which I find extremely doubtful.

BTW, how can you find this information? Very useful at times. Thanks.

[BootinUp]

25. How do you know they

don't already have funds? 527's are not limited by size of contributions they can accept from wealthy donors as far as I know.

[blondeatlast]

29. I hadn't thought of that. Still, I would think they would buy advertising

in Google.

But that's just me.

[NewHampshireDem]

22. I'm a Freeper troll, so I know all the good sites ...

j/k ... :)

I found it on The Raw Story this morning
http://www.therawstory.com/

[blondeatlast]

27. See, I knew it all along!

Sorry about that...

:hi:

[VOX]

40. A-HA!!!

So **that's** the story!

:):bounce:

[MaineDem]

26. I'm not going to give them the web hit

So I'm not sure if the argument here is against the name or something on the site.

If people think Kerry should complain about the similarity between this and moveon.org, remember that MoveOn is a 527 and there can be no coordination between the party and the 527. I don't think Kerry can legally say anything.

If there is something on the website that is offensive, that's a different story. Because I'm not going to go to their site I can't comment on that.

[BootinUp]

28. I don't think those ads are very strong myself

But then I never could predict what kind of garbage people will believe.

[Julien Sorel]

31. Sure you can.

You just have to be smart like the people here who knew, after the fact, the Swift Hoax ads would take off.

[Democat]

45. After the fact? Many people said it from day one!

Now you are going to rewrite history?

Try doing some searches!

[AnnInLa]

32. kick

[jackson]

34. Negative campaigning works! Kerry MUST

attack bush from here on out. He should even bring up the woman who filed a rape lawsuit against bush and died of a gunshot wound last year. More info on that is on my site at http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/know.html

[Neecy]

35. hmmm

Seems like they're using MoveOn's name in a deceptive manner. I wonder if MoveOnPac can take legal action against these people?

I'm going to email the link to them -

[Armstead]

37. Repugs doing this on a grand scale

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52857-2004May24.html

GOP Creating Own '527' Groups
Unregulated Funds Can Be Raised
By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 25, 2004; Page A15


Top Republican operatives have launched an effort to compete with Democratic groups for large sums of unregulated presidential campaign funds by designating a group with close ties to the Bush administration to serve as the main conduit.



Republicans who once vigorously opposed the fundraising and spending activities of mostly liberal groups who have been working to defeat President Bush are developing ambitious plans to raise unregulated "soft money" before the November election. The Federal Election Commission earlier this month cleared the way for liberal groups to continue raising millions in unrestricted contributions, and now GOP groups are joining in.

James Francis Jr., who put together the 1999 to 2000 Bush Pioneers, one of the most successful fundraising operations in U.S. history, has been asked to chair the lead GOP organization, called Progress for America (PFA), Francis and other Republican activists said yesterday.

Officials of the organization indicated they are actively considering major purchases of television ads in roughly 18 key battleground states that praise Bush administration policies. PFA and other conservative organizations are vowing to match or exceed fundraising by liberal groups that did not wait for FEC clearance, and which have spent millions to elect the Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.).

MORE

[Richardson08]

38. John Suununu

I saw on John Suununu on MSNBC with Joe Scarbourough and told Joe that he would begin the process of putting together his own 527

[Suzi Creamcheese]

39. I'm sure John Kerry will quickly refute these charges

ridiculous that he should have to do that, but I'll bet he won't be caught sleeping again

[Democat]

41. MoveOn needs to immediatly sue them - they are trying to confuse voters

They can run all the ads they want - they cannot use MoveOn's trademark to confuse voters and donors.

MoveOn needs to sue them to change their name before they run a single ad.

This is serious - imagine all the idiot voters who will see this and think that the real MoveOn is now running anti-Kerry ads. Remember, many people are ignorant and they believe anything they see on TV.

[johnfunk]

42. More importantly: a restraining order!

The whore media would ignore a lawsuit -- but a restraining order preventing them from broadcasting the commercials citing their misleading name -- that extends to broadcasting them during news and cable news programming -- strikes me as a better way to get headlines.

[jbm]

43. "Willie Horton" may backfire on them..

I think most people associate "Willie Horton" with campaigning that's not only negative but untrue. The reaction from this ad might work in Kerrys favor.

[Norquist Nemesis]

46. whois.net says (who is Stephen Marks and how is he

connected to Bush?)

Domain ID:D104805873-LROR
Domain Name:MOVEONFORAMERICA.ORG
Created On:25-Aug-2004 17:06:35 UTC
Expiration Date:25-Aug-2005 17:06:35 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R71-LROR
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:C42832396-RCOM
Registrant Name:Stephen Marks
Registrant Organization:Move On For America
Registrant Street1:2200 Wilson Blvd #49
Registrant City:Arlington
Registrant State/Province:VA
Registrant Postal Code:22201
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Email:[email protected]
Admin ID:C42832396-RCOM
Admin Name:Stephen Marks
Admin Organization:Move On For America
Admin Street1:2200 Wilson Blvd #49
Admin City:Arlington
Admin State/Province:VA
Admin Postal Code:22201
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:[phone]
Admin Email:[email protected]
Tech ID:C1-RCOM
Tech Name:Domain Registrar
Tech Organization:Register.Com
Tech Street1:575 8th Avenue
Tech City:New York
Tech State/Province:NY
Tech Postal Code:10018
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:[phone]
Tech FAX:[phone]
Tech Email:[email protected]
Name Server:DNS19.REGISTER.COM
Name Server:DNS20.REGISTER.COM

[Capn Sunshine]

48. Name is so common, it will take a week to find the connections

In a smear campaign, the damage is done by then.

No one get ir, Kerry is perfect for this, the campaign is so accurate , deliberate and afraid of making amistake, they say nothing until they have ALL the evidence, and by then , the public has moved on .

[Nashyra]

49. Drunk Driving adds

When we get hammered we respond with tough shit, it's the truth live with it

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. Found it! It's at the bottom of the page *DOH!*

MoveOnForAmerica.Org is a group of citizens created by its president, DC-based GOP political consultant Stephen Marks. Specializing in opposition research and media, Mr. Marks has consulted dozens of candidates at all levels from presidential to congressional, including consulting for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the Republican Governors Association. Mr. Marks has also been a press secretary in GOP campaigns , as well as an investigative journalist for such publications as Penthouse and New York Newsday. Mr. Marks also currently hosts The Stephen Marks Show heard weekly on KFNX Radio in Phoenix, and has appeared regularly on TV and radio, including The O’Reilly Factor, and Hannity & Colmes. Mr. Marks’ created TV ads in 2000 spotlighting Al Gore’s record, and now in 2004, Mr. Marks and MoveOnForAmerica.org. will do the same with John Kerry on a much larger scale.

Okay, now I'm pissed. Kerry people need a pre-emptive strike out there on this one...somehow. Dammit, it's a catch22. If they pre-empt, it gives more publicity to it for free. If they don't, they have to spend time defending it and using valuable resources.

What needs to happen is Moveon.org needs to fight them hard and fast mano a mano. Keep it at the same level of 527 against 527. :mad: :mad: :mad: Kerry needs us to fight this one for him through 527s.