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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:37 PM
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Do We Need a Dem Pres. and R Congress?
That's what the pubbies are saying. That with Obama in the WH the country needs a R congress... to balance things. Its almost like they concede to Obama!

So what do you think? Can the country get along just fine with pubbies controlling congress?

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RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:38 PM
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1. Are you high?
I realize you are posting this probably sarcastically in response to the talking bobbleheads.

We need a constitutional amendment majority in Congress AND a Dem president.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:38 PM
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2. Easy question...No
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:38 PM
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3. No.
They didn't have a problem with having an R pres and an R Congress.

Fuck them.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:39 PM
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4. NO! but the Dems will have to deliver.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:40 PM
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5. Go take your meds . . . now. nt
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:41 PM
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6. They have been huffing
And hell no, they are complete obstructionists.

Seventy-six (?) Republican filibusters.

Republicans spinning it as a "do-nothing Democratic Congress."

The media is their lapdog.

They all need to be tarred and feathered and shipped OUT OF THE BELTWAY!

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:41 PM
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7. We don't need gridlock, we want change........
2 years from now, that is when one would entertain whether the direction of this change is a good one.....not one minute before (and that might be not enough time yet).
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:42 PM
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8. Didn't seem to be a concern of theirs when the R Prez and R Congress
ran roughshod over the country for four years.

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:44 PM
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9. Hell no! They're just afraid of losing all power
Hopefully we won't blow it like in 93-94. Now that was terrible.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:45 PM
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10. They didn't give
a rat's ass about balance in 2000, 2002 or 2004.

Screw 'em.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:45 PM
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11. Republicans say "Blah blah" - Agree or Disagree? on Democratic Underground?
hoo boy
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:54 PM
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22. lol. nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:45 PM
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12. Absolutely not. Counterproductive.
Let the few Republicans who survive learn how to work for the best of the majority of the people, instead of serving the huge corporate donors and lobbyists.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:46 PM
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13. no. n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:46 PM
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14. Is this a serious question?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 04:47 PM by CakeGrrl
Ask Bill Clinton how that worked out for him.

:eyes:

Repubs didn't say a damned thing when they controlled the WH and Congress. They're just afraid some of their crap will be overturned if Dems have full control for a while. NOW they want to "balance" things. B.S.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:48 PM
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15. Wow... um... I can't answer this without being a smartass nt
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:49 PM
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16. FUCK no
We need a solid Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. Beyond that, we need to throw out the current spineless Congressional (lack of) leadership, and replace them. No DLC'ers need apply for the job, and let this serve as notice that voting with the Repukes shall NOT be tolerated any longer.

We cannot move this country forward when those who claim to be on our side are stabbing us in the back.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:49 PM
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17. The repukes controlled Congress AND the White House for 6 years.
NO!

Look at the worldwide mess they made! They need to crawl back into their holes. I have spent 28 years of my life under them and I have had

ENOUGH!

Time's up!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:50 PM
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18. You must have issues if you ask that question.

what do you think about the question you asked?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:31 PM
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40. I think
No. We need a Dem congress to go along with our Dem president if we are to make any progress at all. But we Dems are not the whole country, and the press along with the pubbies are saying "it may be a good idea". So yeah, its an issue that needs some discussion, and this is a discussion board, eh?
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:51 PM
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19. They just are desperate to get ANY Republicans elected
They clearly have given up on McCain winning, so they're desperate to save the chances of their down-ticket candidates.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:51 PM
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20. Did they call for Kerry to be elected in '04? Did they call for Dems to win in '06/'02? No?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 04:51 PM by Occam Bandage
Then ignore their whiny asses.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:52 PM
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21. Is this a trick question?
We need 2 generations of Progressives in order to clean up the mess that the republicans and conservatives have caused in the the last 8 years alone.

That's PROGRESSIVES I said. That DOES NOT INCLUDE Blue Dogs or DLC. - we are going to have to start purging Blue Dogs and DLC Immediately after November

Get a phucking grip
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:59 PM
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23. This is an article of faith among many 'small government' folks
The ones who are really honest would even say they favor a Dem congress with a Republican White House. Wyoming is a great example - we have a heavily Republican legislature and a strong and popular Democratic governor. This reflects to common feeling in the electorate here that it's best to make it hard for government to do anything, regardless of what party favors it.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:04 PM
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32. Richard, good answer, but
what do YOU think? are you a small government supporter? do you think it should be hard for Obama to do anything?
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:39 PM
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36. I'd be happy with a Democratic White House
Senate, House of Representatives, every governor's mansion and every state legislature in the country; also mayors, city counsels, boards of alderman and the governing bodies for every municipal body down to the hamlet. I part company from my fellow Wyoming folk on this topic as I believe that government can and should work to improve things for all citizens.

As long as it's the right Democrats. For instance I really don't mind Lincoln Chaffee and would prefer him to a few Dem's from the Deep South.

Did I pass?

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:47 PM
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38. Ya done good
Your first post is the kind of reply I was looking for. There is some appeal for the division with indies and that needs to be understood by us, eh?.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:00 PM
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24. There's a banned DUer who used to argue that Obama must lose
to have balance.

Glad she's gone.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:01 PM
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25. In a less imperfect world, yes.
Or the other way around... Normally, I don't trust -any- side to have 100% of the power. I personally feel that a check and balance would be theoretically good.

However...

The Republicans have soooooo screwed the pooch (and have become so obscene and twisted in their ideology) that they need to go to the time out corner for 10-16 years. Then they'll be allowed to sit at the adult table and participate. Maybe.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:01 PM
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26. No. No, no, no. By the way, No.
Why weren't they calling for balance during six years of a Republican administration and a Republican-controlled Congress?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:02 PM
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27. So, they hated not having a balance when the repukes ran it all?
I don't buy that for one second. They loved it.

It the Dems' turn.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:03 PM
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28. Well with all of the DLC Dems even with the majority there will be some rightwing garbage
coming out of Congress.

I think that in order to have balance we need an equal split of the American Socialist Party, and the Democratic Party.

Republicans can go the way of the National Socialist Parties who ruined other countries in their day by pursuing Far Right nazi bullshit.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:03 PM
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29. Some forms of humor I just don't get
I am sure in another dimension that this was a real laugh getter
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:01 PM
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42. Ummm
Its all over the news and its said to be a question that independents are pondering. So if it helps any one here to have a quick answer if they are ever asked then it will have been useful.

Actually there are a few useful responses on this thread, but the majority are more like yours.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:03 PM
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30. lemme see
you mind passing over whtatever you've been smoking???

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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:04 PM
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31. That's BS
If you want Obama to make the changes he's promised, he needs a majority in Congress. I've never bought that balance crap. It sounds fair to some people, who get it mixed up with the concept of "balance of power" among the branches of government. There's nothing in the basic prinicipals of governing that says there has the be a balance in the ruling parties.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:13 PM
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33. You have to be kidding
The Republicans are so unhinged, their ideology so failed, and their interest in the people is so minimal that they do not belong anywhere near any power.

In fact like another poster has said we need such a majority of actual progressives that we can single party a Constitutional amendment if need be.

How is it not getting through peoples skulls that the entire Republican philosophy has utterly failed? They have nothing to offer a liberal democracy...nothing.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:18 PM
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34. no
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 05:18 PM by Poseidan
We need an (R) tombstone, or a Constitutionally mandated restriction on the size of political parties in Congress.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:25 PM
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35. The mean between "pretty good" and "really horrible" is still mostly bad.
I don't want balance between good and bad. I want good.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:40 PM
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37. Good Lord NO. They fuck up everything they touch
They shouldn't be elected dog catcher, much less to Congress.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:55 PM
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39. Do we want to do anything at all?
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:41 PM
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41. NO.
The pubs had their chance and screwed it up big time!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:04 PM
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43. Of COURSE they're saying that... They want to attack Obama the
way they attacked Clinton. They want to tie up his hands in whatever they can find lying around the floor and make it hard for him to help America recover from the neocon disaster we have been living.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:05 PM
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44. Why, so Repubs can obstruct and then try to impeach Obama? nt
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:09 PM
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45. No
That would only result in a mess, the Republicans wouldn't allow anything to get done.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:10 PM
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46. Translation: McSame can't win; We're shifting resources to save the Hill
Traditionally, dividing government takes place at the bi-election, which will be out next project.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:12 PM
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47. Gee, that isn't what they have been saying for the past eight years. n/t
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VoodooGuru Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:12 PM
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48. Frak no.
Check out Thomas Frank's The Wrecking Crew for more information, but that is how they have been operating for a long time; if they can't control everything, they at least try to prevent our side from accomplishing anything.

There is a lot of work to be done and the GOP needs to be pushed out of the way for it to get accomplished. They will gum up the works and prevent necessary growth in government because they have Reagan's nonsense that "government is the problem" stuck in their heads. Big Government needs its groove back, and for that to happen, they need to be put out of commission for a while.
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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:16 PM
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49. Sound like recent McCrash talking point
Coincidence?
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