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How likely is it that the W Administration will concoct some international crisis as a hail mary?

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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 07:09 PM
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Poll question: How likely is it that the W Administration will concoct some international crisis as a hail mary?
Polls clearly show that the more the election focuses on the economy, especially an economy in crisis so easily laid at the GOP's feet, the better Obama does. By contrast, it is argued cogently by many that the more people are focused, in fear, on international relations, terrorism, war, etc (other than simply getting out of Iraq), the better it is for McCain. Clearly the reality than an atmosphere of "security crisis" of some kind might be the ONLY way that McCain could even come close enough to winning at the polls for the election to be stolen is not lost on the W Bush Administration.

Also, the notion of accusing the president of starting some major crisis situation, when he cries "emergency" is apt to be treated with outrage in the MSM, and in turn pose a serious problem for 'swing voters' in swing states. The temptation might be enormous.

But there are a mere two weeks and several days to go until election day -- so any international MILITARY/SECURITY and/or TERRORISM crisis would have to be concocted fast, if it is going to happen.

What are the chances of such a crisis "happening" in the next 2 1/2 weeks?

Poll result (90 votes)
0-10% chance -- Even if W is unethical enough to do that, the ruling class wouldn't let him (28 votes, 31%)Vote
10-30% chance -- a serious possibility, but not anywhere near a likelihood (5 votes, 6%)Vote
30-50% chance -- it's a strategy no doubt being seriously considered by the GOP leadership as you read this (9 votes, 10%)Vote
50%-70% -- More probable than not, W just needs to think he can get away with it (28 votes, 31%)Vote
70%-90% -- unless something happens now to stop it, it's practically a done deal (12 votes, 13%)Vote
90%-100% -- the question isn't IF, but WHERE? (7 votes, 8%)Vote
It's the apocalypse (0 votes, 0%)Vote
Other (see comment below) (1 votes, 1%)Vote

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   But we're already in an international crisis?  in search of sanity   Oct-11-08 07:11 PM   #1 
   I guess not.  Warren Stupidity   Oct-11-08 07:18 PM   #5 
   I said 30-50%: there's a reason McStupid keeps "warning" us about the Ukraine  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-08 07:11 PM   #2 
   I guessed 50-70%  frogmarch   Oct-11-08 07:14 PM   #3 
   They are talking something we can deploy troops to resolve  TheKentuckian   Oct-11-08 07:15 PM   #4 
   By the time the "crisis" is past, you won't need...  drb   Oct-11-08 08:07 PM   #6 
   KICK  cloudythescribbler   Oct-12-08 06:49 PM   #7 
   George Bush has no power anymore  gravity   Oct-12-08 06:51 PM   #8 
   DING! DING! DING!  Bullet1987   Oct-12-08 06:53 PM   #9 
   Slim to none, and Slim just left town.  RichardRay   Oct-12-08 06:55 PM   #10 
   They can't afford to do anything that might shake the economy up even more.  truthisfreedom   Oct-12-08 06:56 PM   #11 
   These bank failures have them honestly scared. I think that it is more likely  grantcart   Oct-12-08 06:59 PM   #12 
   I'd say it's even money right now  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-12-08 07:00 PM   #13 
   another kick  cloudythescribbler   Oct-13-08 01:55 AM   #14 
   With the economy in collapse, his numbers at 24%, I don't think he has the stomach for it.  TexasObserver   Oct-13-08 03:04 AM   #15 
   You're being generous. MSNBC had him at 19% Favorability rating. n/t  vaberella   Oct-13-08 04:53 AM   #19 
   three months ago I would've said 80%... now near zero  crankychatter   Oct-13-08 03:58 AM   #16 
   Do you mean a crisis that would swing the election to McCain, or...  regnaD kciN   Oct-13-08 04:14 AM   #17 
   The idea would be to transform the political landscape (w/"emergency" as a limited possibility)  cloudythescribbler   Oct-13-08 07:41 AM   #20 
   0-10%: W has absolutely ZERO credibility.  vaberella   Oct-13-08 04:52 AM   #18 
   KICK KICK KICK  cloudythescribbler   Oct-13-08 04:10 PM   #21 
   they know they've weakened the military too much  Overseas   Oct-13-08 04:12 PM   #22 
   Bush_Cheney have had 9/11, "shock and awe" and the "surge".  CJCRANE   Oct-13-08 04:24 PM   #23 
   AnOTHER kick -- can I get to 100 respondents?  cloudythescribbler   Oct-13-08 10:20 PM   #24 
   30 more respondents needed  cloudythescribbler   Oct-14-08 05:45 AM   #25 
   makin progress -- now need 20 more respondents  cloudythescribbler   Oct-14-08 08:50 PM   #26 
   Not very. Bush doesn't give a fuck anymore.  swishyfeet   Oct-14-08 08:59 PM   #27 
   Getting closer -- my goal is 13 more votes  cloudythescribbler   Oct-15-08 08:31 AM   #28 
   Ain't happenin' cuz....  Hepburn   Oct-15-08 08:33 AM   #29 
   Just TEN more votes needed!  cloudythescribbler   Oct-15-08 09:05 AM   #30 
 
Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 07:11 PM
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1. But we're already in an international crisis?
Doesn't this one count?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 07:18 PM
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5. I guess not.
How many global crisis does it take?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-11-08 07:11 PM
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2. I said 30-50%: there's a reason McStupid keeps "warning" us about the Ukraine
during debates--he wants to go on record for being prescient.
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frogmarch (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 07:14 PM
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3. I guessed 50-70%
I can't help but think there's going to be some kind of terrrrr alert soon.
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 07:15 PM
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4. They are talking something we can deploy troops to resolve
I think it will be an epic fail for them to try this though as it will likely just create more distrust for the GOP.

Eventually, their is a cumulative effect of the constant crisis that are usually evidently self created. They should be wary of this move as Obama has closed the CiC gap considerably and has significant advantages in most other areas. Another crisis at this point might actually further doom the entire Republican brand.
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drb (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-11-08 08:07 PM
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6. By the time the "crisis" is past, you won't need...
...to worry 'bout no fuckin' election.

You'll just need to worry about three things:
  • Guns
  • Ammo, and
  • Food

    Dick Cheney will see to it that there won't be an election. W will have to be quick on his feet to avoid gettin' in Cheney's way.
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:49 PM
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    7. KICK
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    gravity (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:51 PM
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    8. George Bush has no power anymore
    He couldn't create a crisis if he tried.
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    Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:53 PM
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    9. DING! DING! DING!
    Bush isn't going to create anything anymore. This is 2008, not 2004...Bush is lamer than a lame duck.
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    RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:55 PM
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    10. Slim to none, and Slim just left town.
    They don't have anything in the bank, the tank or the ranks to use to react to any kind of a surprise, manufactured or otherwise, that's one of the damning indictments of the Current Resident and his cronies. All that would ensue now would be a groundswell of disgust at yet another failure; they'd probably have to move the Inauguration up to Thanksgiving.
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    truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:56 PM
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    11. They can't afford to do anything that might shake the economy up even more.
    It's so ridiculously unstable that there's no room for shenanigans.
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    grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 06:59 PM
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    12. These bank failures have them honestly scared. I think that it is more likely
    that to Bush administration is so scared about what is happening that they would be more likely to do something to help Obama get elected because they are so scared
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    Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-12-08 07:00 PM
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    13. I'd say it's even money right now
    Chimpy will pull something. I don't know if it will be before November 4 or after, but he's going to pull something before he leaves office.

    Chimpy's entire pResidency has been about trying to one-up his Daddy. And Daddy left Bill Clinton the "going away presents" of Somalia and NAFTA. What will this piece of shit leave for President Obama?

    The obvious guess would be war with Iran, and nobody is going to deny that the Likud pieces of shit in Israel will pressure Chimp to do exactly that, because they don't believe Obama will be as receptive to their warmongering, so they would rather have him inherit a war he didn't choose, than be able to avoid one.
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 01:55 AM
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    14. another kick
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    TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 03:04 AM
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    15. With the economy in collapse, his numbers at 24%, I don't think he has the stomach for it.
    My read on Bush is that he's ready to go home and screw off, probably get drunk for days at a time.
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    vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-13-08 04:53 AM
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    19. You're being generous. MSNBC had him at 19% Favorability rating. n/t
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    crankychatter (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 03:58 AM
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    16. three months ago I would've said 80%... now near zero
    It won't help

    The GOP is responsible for a near decade of horrific crap culminating in the current economic disaster

    people ain't going to get conned into placing an iota of confidence in them anytime soon

    they're done
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    regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 04:14 AM
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    17. Do you mean a crisis that would swing the election to McCain, or...
    Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 04:14 AM by regnaD kciN
    ...a crisis that would allow Bush to invoke Directive 51, impose martial law and cancel the election?

    If he can do one, he can do the other. And I don't think anyone within the current White House has any great affection for McCain, or desire to give up power so that he can take it over.

    Personally, a crisis dramatic enough to change the course of this election would have to be something huge like a bigger terror attack than 9/11, or the stock market dropping another 3,000 points and the entire economy melting down. And, given either one of those, my guess would be that Bush would invoke Directive 51, suspend the Constitution, and only drop martial law after the "crisis had passed" (and lots of opponents had been "disappeared") in a couple of years or more, so that we'd just decide the next election would be held in 2012, with Jeb carrying the G.O.P. standard.

    :tinfoilhat:

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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 07:41 AM
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    20. The idea would be to transform the political landscape (w/"emergency" as a limited possibility)
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    vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-13-08 04:52 AM
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    18. 0-10%: W has absolutely ZERO credibility.
    Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 04:52 AM by vaberella
    There's too much going on now. The economy is "cratering", Rice was on television because of the whole breaking the Geneva Convention laws and discussing "torture", Palin is a mess and shoes of scandal are raining down on McCain, McCain has been bashed by numerous Repubs because of racist incites. It's a mess. There's no way that W would be able to do it without Americans taking pause and asking a bunch of questions, and the Democrats going nuts on their ass. Pelosi would get her gang together of Merry Men and highjack the US from Bush because everyone would know what this was about. No way.
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 04:10 PM
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    21. KICK KICK KICK
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    Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-13-08 04:12 PM
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    22. they know they've weakened the military too much
    to really do anything serious.

    I hope.

    But now that they've privatized so much with their reckless mercenaries, perhaps I'm mistaken.
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    CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 04:24 PM
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    23. Bush_Cheney have had 9/11, "shock and awe" and the "surge".
    I don't think the military top brass will allow them to have another big set-piece.

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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-13-08 10:20 PM
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    24. AnOTHER kick -- can I get to 100 respondents?
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-14-08 05:45 AM
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    25. 30 more respondents needed
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-14-08 08:50 PM
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    26. makin progress -- now need 20 more respondents
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    27. Not very. Bush doesn't give a fuck anymore.
    The end just isn't coming soon enough for him.
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    cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-15-08 08:31 AM
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    28. Getting closer -- my goal is 13 more votes
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    29. Ain't happenin' cuz....
    ...the Pubbies are running FROM Dubya...and he would need them to pull of some stupid stunt.

    JMHO
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    30. Just TEN more votes needed!
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