Hate to bring this up AGAIN.......but it's that pesky ACORN thing....

[a kennedy]

D*mn, fox noise has been "discussing" it every hour or so, and I know I don't watch faux as a rule, but just want to keep my finger on what they're all saying.....and D*MN this ACORN thing is NOT gonna be an easy thing to dismiss with all the new voters being registered en all. I'm very nervous about this.....how will Senator Obama's campaign handle it??

[marmar]

1. Tempest in a faux teapot......

n/t

[Occam Bandage]

2. "How will he handle it?" He won't. It's inside baseball.

It's too impenetrable and too inconsequential for anyone to care about but the freepers and us.

[SoonerPride]

3. Elections in this country are monitored and determined to be free and fair.

Remember, they called us whiners after 2000.

So they should shut the hell up.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. By turning out millions of more voters than Grampa. I love ACORN They are a good group.

How do you think FOX will handle it when Obama is president? Will they blame ACORN? :)

[Essene]

12. I know ACORN. They can get self-righteous and can get slimy. Obama needs to stay above the fray...

I haven't followed this story at all.

If there is ANY fraudulent stuff, Obama just needs to call it what it is... regardless of party.

[John Q. Citizen]

46. Just call a hatchet job a hatchet job, OK? Quit legitamizing the Repos untrue charges.

ACORN has registered millions of people nationwide. They are howling about, what, .00000001% of the registrations done by ACORN?

Can you spell D-I-S-T-R-A-C-T-I-O-N?

[BuyingThyme]

5. Why is it a problem for Obama?

[RichGirl]

6. Who cares!!!

The people who watch FOX and believe their crap were never going to vote dem anyway.

[Ganja Ninja]

9. That's right.

Anyone that prefers to watch FOX is a brain dead zombie that will never be convinced to vote for any Democrat. ACORN isn't an issue for anyone other than Rupert's little band of snake oil salesmen.

[Alter Ego]

34. Not necessarily.

My father is a diehard Democrat, thinks all Republicans are brainless scum, and is voting for Obama, but he watches Fox anyway.

Why? Because he knows it pisses me off when I call home and he goes "HAY DOOD I HERD THIS ON FOX".

[Neecy]

7. my local FAUX station was pushing this today

...although the local anchor had to grudgingly admit that ACORN isn't associated with either campaign.

I think FAUX is pushing this so hysterically (note that ACORN barely gets a mention on any other news station) is because the GOP powers are afraid that a landslide defeat this November - not just for the presidency, but the House and Senate - will reflect a rejection of Rethug policies on the part of the majority. Mark my words, they'll blame McCain's defeat not for his and their bankrupt policies but on election theft. They won't care that the stage will be set for a divided country just like 2000 - division benefits them.

[Sugarcoated]

13. I may be wrong

but I thought the Repub strategy here was that through a trumped up controversy it would allow the GOP to throw out legitimate voter registrations.

[AndyTiedye]

19. They Are Using It as an Excuse to Do Massive Voter Purges

In some states they have thrown off twice as many voters as we have registered.
That is how they intend to "win".

[Sugarcoated]

50. Where do you get that information?

What's the proof that they've actually thrown away that many registrations, and in what states?

[EFerrari]

53. Go to Amy Goodman's site and watch her show today.

They did the whole hour on this.

[AndyTiedye]

54. The New York Times

States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and remove the names of voters who should no longer be listed; but for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.

The six swing states seem to be in violation of federal law in two ways. Michigan and Colorado are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.

Indiana, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio seem to be improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters.

In addition to the six swing states, three more states appear to be violating federal law. Alabama and Georgia seem to be improperly using Social Security information to screen registration applications from new voters. And Louisiana appears to have removed thousands of voters after the federal deadline for taking such action.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html

[BuyingThyme]

8. So, you were concerned enough to post, but not concerned enough

to participate in your own thread?

[a kennedy]

24. I'm participating.....

[AlCzervik]

10. Faux doesn't get to set the agenda, mmmkay? Turn it off or else pretty soon

they'll be telling you how your toaster is homicidal.

[Alter Ego]

35. "DOES YOUR TOASTER HAVE IT IN FOR YOUR KIDS? TONIGHT,

ON HANNITY AND colmes!"

[DefenseLawyer]

11. Do they pay you to fuck that bear? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

14. Thanks for spreading the lie - we all appreciate it!

[The Wielding Truth]

15. I have not seen anything except accusations. They are nonprofit

but did not say they were non partisan. They have helped many low income families.

[Feron]

16. Here's what I understand:

Each state has their own procedure for registering voters. ACORN didn't know that, brought in people from out of state that didn't know the procedure, and a misunderstanding occured.

Years ago ACORN members committed voter fraud. ACORN officials found out about it and turned them in.

Much ado about nothing.

Fox news would discuss a booger in Obama's nose if they thought it would help McCain.

[jsmirman]

28. Ugh, seriously, this story is nothing and is so misunderstood

A couple rogue employees - these voters never made it on the rolls, the real attempt to defraud was by the employees to defraud ACORN - they tried to turn in fake reg's to up their tallies and they got paid per new reg (which is not a plan I approve of, and duh, encourages this sort of junk, but you hope people will do right) - again, this was an attempt to defraud ACORN into paying out more, not an attempt to mess with the voter rolls.

And the idiots who did it should have thought about what the extrapolations would be, but it's rogue employees looking to get paid, not an organization looking to subvert the process.

Period.

And btw, most of what ACORN does is really positive and goodness knows they're not the only org to have corruption problems - and these were tiny - how about ABRAMOFF and the whole Congress, maybe focus on that for subversion of the process.

[cbc5g]

17. Fox has been pushing anything and everything to get the campaign topic off the economy

[TwilightGardener]

18. Srsly, no one outside of the rabid right gives a shit about this. Voter registration

is not on the issues radar, and the attempts to whip up hatred of minorities by blaming them for defaulting on mortgages didn't work, except for those primed to blame minorities, and they're already not voting for Obama.

[a kennedy]

25. Thanks and I love your wienerdoggie title.....I have a wiener dog too

and I should just turn off faux it just makes me crazy. :hug:

[TwilightGardener]

26. Let's just go snuggle our crazy wienerdogs

and lower our blood pressures for a while...:pals:

[a kennedy]

29. Now that sounds like a plan.......

and thanks.

[DevonRex]

20. Why do you keep posting this? Why do you think Obama has to "handle it?" nt

[a kennedy]

because it could have a direct result in the counting of votes....

and I guess I'm worried too. Worried with all the new voters being registered and purged in some states (Some states may be blocking eligible voters) http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/10/whats-new-4.html Sorry I keep posting it I'm just nervous and I would like Senator Obama to address it because it could steamroll.....

[YvonneCa]

31. I worry about this sometimes...

..too. But Obama is VERY GOOD at getting the truth out there. He has shown that MANY times. I hope others here are right, that this is a 'non' issue, inside baseball etc. But I'm pretty sure he and his people are up to speed on this stuff. I trust them to deal effectively with this issue...and all the other 'distraction' issues that are thrown their way.:patriot: Three weeks. Breathe...:)

[EFerrari]

42. It is already up at the fight the smear site.

And you're right to worry about voter purges. I just heard this morning that 1 in 5 voters have been dumped off the rolls in Colorado alone. One in FIVE.

But ACORN has nothing to do with that. That's a Republican plan that BushCo put into action when they wrote and passed the "help America vote" act. They've been planning this for years.

Instead of worrying about ACORN, find a way to help retain our voters in the swing states! That's what this election will come down to, imho. :hi:

[taddles]

43. It's not anything that Obama can address.

Acorn has nothing to do with the Obama campaign so his "addressing the issue" would make them look like they were part of the Obama campaign which would be EXTREMELY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. your worried, fine, but stop posting about it and demanding action from the Obama campaign, there's nothing that they can or should do and you histrionics are just getting silly.

[gravity]

21. If you can't explain the issue in one sentence, it ain't going to stick

No one cares

[Tinksrival]

22. Well, I don't understand why you are being attacked for posting

DU'ers want to stick their heads in the sand on this? Ignore to your own peril. This is bouncing out of the right echo chamber into mainstream and I hope the Dems are prepared cause Obama's win is based on new registration. I put nothing past them...This has Rove all over it. I hope this isn't being ignored by the Obama campaign like those on this thread are suggesting.

[BuyingThyme]

23. How does registering fake voters translate into votes for anybody?

[Tinksrival]

27. Beats me. I was just surprised that my F-I-L dumped this into my mailbox this morning

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2375

snip>>>>

It’s time to shut down ACORN, work against voter fraud
By Ross Balano, Midwest Voices Columnist 2008

Federal authorities are investigating the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, otherwise known as ACORN, in at least ten states including Missouri.

Thousands of fraudulent voter registrations have surfaced after having been submitted by ACORN. In some parts of Ohio, over half of the registrations submitted by ACORN are at least questionable. ACORN even admits that it is unable to insure there is no fraud. In the Kansas City area, one name, Monica Ray, registered 20 times.

It is time to put a stop to ACORN and restore some integrity to the election process.

So now we know what a “community organizer” is. ACORN is a left wing organization that Barack Obama used to work with. They pay people to solicit voter registrations and quotas must be met. This is a formula for fraud. The only thing that matters is how many registrations are submitted, not how authentic they are.

snip>>>>>

Groups like ACORN are trying to steal the election. ,They are threatening to turn the whole process into a joke and action must be taken immediately.

ACORN and other groups like them must be shut down.

Photo ID should be required of all voters. Give them out for free. Come to the homes of those who cannot get out to get one. Make them an ID on the spot. Provide rides for anyone who needs one to get to the polls. But no ID, no vote.

Eliminate early voting. Eliminate mail in voting. Eliminate absentee voting except for the military and special cases. The constitution is specific about when and how the election should be held. Let’s get back to the basics and restore integrity to the election.

snip>>>>>>



WTF?????????

[EFerrari]

45. TRANSLATION: Politicized Bush Justice Department harrassing ACORN.

There's no there there. There IS a problem with voter suppression. There is NO mass problem with voter fraud.

It's bullshit. And more than that, in any city where ACORN is being attacked and where there is noise about "voter fraud", you can bet your boots you're going to find vote SUPPRESSION. Because Republicans use this bs to challenge legitimate votes and to scare people away from the polls. Nice trick, isn't it?

[cottonseed]

37. That's my view of this whole "issue".

I've seen the cute story about registering the Dallas Cowboys, but that's about it. It's just Republican projection. They're working overtime on purging so this cute little story gets put out there and beat on... trying to inject it into the echo chamber while they whittle away at American's right to vote.

[BuyingThyme]

40. Yeah, how many people are going to show up and vote as Roger Staubach?

Maybe one.

Registering fake identities is certainly some kind of fraud, but that fraud is not committed against an election.

[cottonseed]

44. The only fraud is kids signing on a few extra names. No different than Wall Street CEOs.

Actually, it's much much less than what these Wall Street CEOs where doing. This is not voter fraud. What the Republicans are doing right now is voter fraud.

[PA Democrat]

30. Has anyone besides FOX been covering this "story"?

The only people who seem to mention it are FOX Snooze watchers. Have I missed something?

[YvonneCa]

32. No...barely. This is a faux distraction issue. Period. n/t

[DevonRex]

47. A few of those crazy anti-Obama sites have hitched their wagons

to this. After all their other tinfoil hat conspiracy theories failed to pan out, this appears to be their last hope. Of course they're still on about that birth certificate thing, especially after Corsi was deported from Kenya.

But nobody with any credibility is pushing it. Just the ones who want to bring Obama down with something, anything. Pretty soon they'll be saying he's really an alien from another planet that wants to take over the universe.

[EFerrari]

48. Greg Palast and Amy Goodman talked about it today in passing

as a Republican tactic to cover purging legit votes. If you didn't catch Amy's show, you can stream it at her site. The whole hour was dedicated to election fraud.

I hope you're ready in PA, because the Thugs seem to be gunning for you all big time this year.

[Alter Ego]

33. Ya lost me at Fox Noise, there, pal.

They've had McCain surrogates on all day desperately trying to paint Obama and Ayers as BFFs, and now this.

[Overseas]

36. Those damn Get Out the Vote efforst bugging the Republicans again?

They don't do well when the millions of Democrats get out there to vote. Poor fellas.

[azmouse]

38. Thom Hartmann was just saying the PUMAs are trying to keep this alive.

Those fools are claiming Obama 'stole' the nomination from Hillary.

Thom is wondering why (hmmmm.... I wonder) Hillary isn't speaking out against this group and their delusions.

[ProSense]

39. "that pesky ACORN thing" is aimed at

these losers

[EFerrari]

41. When they say "ACORN", you need to hear "VOTE SUPPRESSION"

because that's is what is going on here. There is no "pesky ACORN thing". There is only Republican propaganda meant to cover up suppressing DEMOCRATIC votes. Got it?

And if you haven't donated to ACORN yet, do it today. They're doing great work registering our voters, helping people with foreclosures, fighting for affordable housing and on top of that, they have to deal with this right wing smear.

www.acorn.org

[Buck Rabbit]

49. ACORN will cost Obama the Freeper and PUMA vote!

I am afraid we don't have a chance with the ignorant and the fucktards. We might as pull all our ads from Fox and Clearwater.

[Every Man A King]

51. go look for a pbs poll or something jesus nt

[DevonRex]

52. Okay. You made me laugh. Thanks. And welcome to DU!

[Fire_brand]

55. summary: millions of new obama voters are being registered and they're mad n/t