National Review: Obama will kill scientific research in biology because it will prove white

[cali]

superiority. And this isn't in wingnut daily or newsmax. it's in what is considered to be the most intellectual and respectable right wing journal. Of course it's a repulsive reactionary rag, but its rep is that it's the thinking conservative's journal.

Racist fucking pigs. I hope they all choke and have apoplectic fits on November 4.

"Will Obama kill science?"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2U5YTJiMzhjNDNhZTcwZGYyZjcyMzQyZWNmNjJjN2E=#more

[mucifer]

1. wow trying their best to start a race war

[Boz]

8. Its a movie called "enemy" Its straight from the script, right down to the race war

[Canuckistanian]

62. Sort of like an establishment Helter Skelter

Only much more efficient.

[blogslut]

2. Derbyshire is a self-admitted racist

No surprises there.

[KewlKat]

3. According to this DNA study that National Geographics is doing

"DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who—about 60,000 years ago—began a remarkable journey."

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/


We are ONE people and science will prove it! I'm sure this would make HER head explode.

[quantass]

20. "Doing a study"? That is a known fact for the last 30 years.

..and National Geographic is one of the people that already knew that. Havent checked the article yet but i find that if they are putting in funds to discover what they've already known by scientific reports numbering in the thousands, if not millions (several by even National Geographic), then they are using donated funds very poorly and those in control should be fired. Let's get some advancement in science and not tred on old territory like testing the effects of gravity on screws in space.

[bullimiami]

31. but whatever 'white' gene mutation that came along im sure made them 'better'.

they want to show that the whiter they are, the better they are.

[Heather MC]

38. THIS IS GREAT NEWS......

All the intelligent educated white people vote Obama
Woo hoo You go White Supremacy will be smart enough to put a biracial man in office!!!!

:woohoo:

[Celebration]

74. LOL

You are right!! Of course they forget that he is half white, too. What in the heck is a cultural Marxist anyway? Maybe someone who wants people to be able to put food on the table?

[Unsane]

4. Derbyshire: "I am a homophobe. . .and a racist"

http://collectedmiscellany.com/archives/000047.php

[Orsino]

47. 404. n/t

[WeDidIt]

5. Natrional Review No Longer Hides White Supremecist Philosophy

They've admitted they believe in white superiority.

[theothersnippywshrub]

18. In the !950's and 1960's National Review was extremely proud

of its White Supremacist philosophy. Buckley later claimed to regret having opposed civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

[MagickMuffin]

6. Well Obama did include that "earmark" for the Planetarium overhead projector

I guess they choose NOT to listen to Obama's speeches where he SAYS he wants our to children learn more about Science and Math to keep up in the world. In hopes that they will have a brighter future and keep create jobs here in America.

I'm guessing they ARE to "superior" to listen to a Black man.

[barack the house]

7. They don't even make any sense it's their party that has held back science.>

To my mind superiority comes through humbleness kindness and generosity, which they might well be lacking. We should more ridicule their small mindedness than give it any credibility, they are being small people who are not reaching for everything that, if there is a god, he enabled us to be.

[barack the house]

9. The way to combat these people is always link their scripture to their actions. Which calls for>

humanity and not barbarism and not the creation of their own god complex.

[mucifer]

10. whites are superior thats why the races can't mix and blacks can't go to Harvard and be

in charge of the law review and... hey wait a second?!

[theothersnippywshrub]

11. How very republican. n/t

[Essene]

12. JUST IGNORE IT... SERIOUSLY.... DO NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE IT

[billyoc]

16. No.

[Essene]

25. This is a ploy to change the discussion towards race. IGNORE IT.

[billyoc]

32. Ignore an article about white supremacy in NRO. Really.

Just ignore it?

[Essene]

39. "The Bell Curve." Are you old enough to remember? Just IGNORE IT (flaming me doesnt help)

This stuff is not new.

Do not pretend you're gonna "discredit" this nonsense during this election.

This is merely an attempt to shift the discussion towards race...

[chascarrillo]

46. "You probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac before this crisis"

Nice argument, dude.

[cali]

26. yowza. why are you having hysterics about this? Look, you shouldn't [

try to control what other people post here. It's futile and offensive.

[Essene]

28. im not the one being hysterical (and nor am i insensitive to racism). This is baiting.

[cali]

35. My post about this is race baiting? Get outta here. That's just pathetic.

Grab a fucking clue: This post is indicative of something roiling in American culture. Sure, it's long been there, but a black man within an inch of the presidency is clearly bringing to the surface overt racism. And if calling it out is what you think race baiting is, you really are hopelessly clueless.

[bowens43]

56. Ignore it? That's ridiculous n/t

[AllentownJake]

13. Right and their idea the earth was created by magic

isn't hurt by science. Interesting that the National Review is now repeating Nazi philosophy on evolution.

[Essene]

14. AGAIN.... PLEASE JUST IGNORE IT...

[billyoc]

17. No.

[chascarrillo]

19. Sorry. I'm not going to ignore racism.

Filth like this needs the light of day to expose these fuckers for who they are.

[Essene]

24. Will will not defeat racism THIS MONTH. This is 100% a ploy to change the discussion to race. Stop

[billyoc]

42. I want Derbyshire on his back in a bloody pool, "defeating racism this month"

would just be a "distraction".

[chascarrillo]

44. In other words, you're too chickenshit to confront racism.

Good to know who our friends are.

[cali]

27. Don't like it? Get off the thread. But do try and stop throwing a hissyfit.

[Essene]

40. flame flame flame... very sincere and thoughtful reflection on my points

[cali]

41. Let me repeat:

The NR article is indicative of something roiling in American culture. Sure, it's long been there, but a black man within an inch of the presidency is clearly bringing to the surface overt racism. And if calling it out is what you think race baiting is, you really are hopelessly clueless.
The fat lady is singing loudly. Listen up.

[Raschel]

82. Your posts are great

(because they're exactly what I've been saying!). This is the final barrier to legitmacy for minorities in this country. The final exclusion. (and not that I believe it will cure all)

We are right to confront this.

And I find it hilarious that White supremacy and Sarah Palin are mentioned in the same article. Now that disproves it right there!!! lol

[chascarrillo]

45. You have no points. You are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

[uponit7771]

61. Obama can ignore it and should IMHO but I'm not, the way to fight racism is to shine a light on it

...and let others know it's not acceptable.

[Bill McBlueState]

68. Dude, this is an internet discussion board

Not a presidential campaign.

Posts in GD-P don't make the polls move.

[Solomon]

15. You know what kills their argument dead?

If whites are superior how come there are stupid whites? Doesn't make any sense at all. Totally fucks up the whole theory. And I don't mean "ignorant", as in, they can get smart, but "stupid" as in, just stupid.

[hobbit709]

22. How does their "theory" explain freepers?

A cockroach displays better learning ability than the average freeper.

[OneGrassRoot]

33. What cracks me up is their use of language....

Since dubya, and now with Palin, it's preferred to be ignorant and to at least sound uneducated to be a favorite of the wingnuts. Joe six pack and all.

If you speak properly and pronounce words correctly, it's elitist...liberal elite. And, they are trying to make the word "liberal" translate to "terrorist."

What's so damn ironic is that they claim white superiority and that our country has been degraded due to the ignorance and inability to educate anyone NOT white...yet they're the ones promoting and fostering intellectual ignorance.

The thought process of the crazies never ceases to amaze me.

The neocons/theocons have turned everything upside down and their followers are clueless. Give 'em a talking point for the day and let them run with it; heaven forbid they ever have an independent, coherent thought.

Dangerous shit, IMO.

[sarge43]

49. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY),

"Well, I really think he (Bush) shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all."

[Raschel]

83. You mean like Sarah Palin? n/t

[quantass]

21. Ironic since Obama is Very Pro-Science and very well versed in it and McCain isn't

Obama even knows we evolved...that's a REAL thinker folks!

[TheZug]

23. HOLY SH*T.

[regnaD kciN]

29. NR ceased to be "intellectual and respectable"...

...when William Buckley died. I may have hated his politics (in most cases -- remember, he did oppose the Iraq War), but he did bring a degree of mental rigor to the right. Now that he's gone, it's just the children trashing the playground.

[bullimiami]

30. that is some heinous racist bullshit.

these bastards want to pick up where hitler left off and they want genetic science to provide the justification.

of course bushco is the most anti-science administration ever, unless the 'science' advances their political aims, and this crap is exactly the same.

Palin libertarian my ass.

[Liberalboy]

34. OMG!

How utterly disgusting!

[JI7]

36. isn't this the guy who said Chelsea Clinton should be killed ?

[sarge43]

43. Yes he is.

He's pond scum and my apologies to pond scum.

[Zech Marquis The 2nd]

37. ???

I suppose those wingnuts forgot that Obama's mother was white, not to mention his grandparents are also white. So wouldn't such a fucked up idea be akin to self hatered? :eyes:

And sadly, we haven't seen nor heard the worst from these clowns yet :-(

[H2O Man]

48. Wow.

There are some really sick people out there.

[AtomTan]

50. Well, something we can agree on.

Sarah Palin wasn't raised stupid. She was born that way.

[goodboy]

51. "Intellectual and Respectable" and right-wing should NEVER be used together (nt)

[cali]

53. please re-read.

Here's what I wrote:

it's in what is considered to be the most intellectual and respectable right wing journal. Of course it's a repulsive reactionary rag, but its rep is that it's the thinking conservative's journal.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

52. The guy cites an anonymous blogger in his piece. Sheesh.

[GoesTo11]

54. Where to start?

Obama will be more intelligent than any Republican president ever. So they are bringing up this race-based intelligence stuff to try to hint that the two bozos on their ticket are really the smart ones.

This idea that because of his racial background, a candidate would support one approach to science or another is one that became famous when Germany rejected "Jew science".

Finally, we've got their whole repetition of the faulty Bell Curve argument and related articles. They selectively list several articles by these types, and ignore the vast SCIENTIFIC literature rejecting the "Bell Curve" conclusions and even the logic of its arguments.

I think they've gotten their marching orders for racial agitation. And they're only following orders. Shameful.

[seasat]

55. Obama's IQ > McSame + Palin

Seriously, Obama is clearly one of the most intelligent folks to run for president. McCain and Palin have demonstrated that they have little intelligence. Palin has less knowledge of national security, economics, and science than most of people posting on this forum. McCain can't remember his own statements from one day to the next. If someone had come out of a time capsule and listened to the statements by either of the Repub candidates then listened to statements by Obama, they'd overwhelmingly agree that Barack Obama is much more intelligent than those idiots. That flies right against the premise of this idiotic article.

[WCGreen]

57. Thinking conservative... Oxymoron of the week....

[Tatiana]

58. Bumping this.

:kick:

[FloridaGrl]

59. Wow

I can't wait until Nov 4th.

[uponit7771]

60. WOW....just fuckin.....WOW!!!

[DevonRex]

63. I must need more coffee. My brain shut down at the first paragraph.

I think there's some self-preservation going on, too. I simply cannot accept that an influential magazine, even a conservative one, would print such garbage.

[NHDEMFORLIFE]

64. Frighteningly incredible

Have American conservatives become so arrogant that they are unashamed of their ignorance, or are they just too ignorant to have any shame?

[nc4bo]

65. Since when did the right-wing nuts ever care about REAL science anyway?

Hard to believe the desperation of the Mccain campaign.

I still can't believe how low they're willing to go.

[Aloha Spirit]

69. demography is the most mavericky life science of them all.

[Bill McBlueState]

66. Wow, satire really does write itself these days. n/t

[elkston]

67. WTF. I am truly speechless. I knew they were conservative ...

but to court legitimacy to these vile white supremacist claims?

I cannot believe the true colors coming out now.

(Not to mention how patently FALSE it is. There is no greater champion of science than Obama)

[Vinca]

70. I thought this was a joke - apparently it's not. The Republicans,

during this campaign, have managed to expose - in neon lights - the most ignorant, hateful, bigoted underbelly of our country. Imagine what the world thinks of us now.

[nam78_two]

71. BULLSHIT

NRO please go FUCK yourselves. I am a scientist and there are reasons for the fact that 75-85% of scientists vote Democratic and are contemptuous and suspicious of Republicons.

Please don't even go there assholes. Last week at a department retreat our chair actually said and I was even surprised that he was so open about in front of so many people that we are seeing the most anti-science administration he has ever seen come to a close. Who cuts funding for stem cell research? Which party has lied about climate change? Who has tried to pull up a few hacks funded by petro-dollars as evidence of there being tons of evidence to indicate that climate change has nothing to do with human activity? A lie so patent even they are having to back-track now? Who wants creationism and ID taught in schools? Whose administration tried to cover up research indicating that hurricane strength is tied to climate change.
I wish I had an NIH chart I have seen before available to post here-it shows so clearly how science funding in general drops significantly under most Repube admins.

I can't believe that they want us to believe that that dim-wit from Alaska who thinks the Flinstones were reality and that other guy she is running with are the friends of science in this race :eyes:.

Republicans are the friends of science-GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. Just hearing that lie incenses me-most of us in the sciences are so worried about the future of research in this country under a Palin administration we are thinking of moving to Canada or Europe if that happens.

Finally scientists have great respect for reality and facts -two things the present day Republicon party looks on as foes. Please....I mean please....:eyes:.
Most groups affiliated with science and scientists have already endorsed Obama. Many nobel laureates have-these people are seriously delusional.


Edit: I even missed the white superiority part in your post the first time. Quite right-the kind of "science" these pigs are interested in is probably of the Phrenology and Eugenics variety.

[bkcc]

72. The irony, of course...

is that this comes from the same crowd that wants to ban the teaching of evolution.

Goebbels would be proud.

[Alter Ego]

73. Wow. How totally untrue and blatantly racist.

I shudder to think the depths the racist right wing will sink to if Obama wins November 4.

[progressoid]

75. Good gawd.

:wow:

[truthisfreedom]

76. Nice to see them shoot their own feet off. Goodbye, national review. Relegated to the dustbin of

history.

[jody]

77. Articles like this impede progress in medical genetics that has so much potential. Already hundreds

of hereditary disorders have been identified that are gene specific. Mothers can choose prenatal tests to make informed decisions regarding whether to continue a pregnancy.

Obviously that has all sorts of moral dimensions but that's just the way it is. :shrug:

[Swede]

78. Here is a rebuttal.

In an incoherent leap of bad logic, John Derbyshire over at the National Review (I know – why did I even bother reading it?) has come to the conclusion that an Obama Administration will kill science (his article title: “Will Obama Kill Science?”).

However, upon reading his incredibly ridiculous argument, it becomes clear that he only thinks Obama will kill one aspect of science: the science that he believes will eventually, inevitably prove that some races are better and smarter than others.

Why does he think this? It’s not clear. His only real argument is that Obama once wrote a piece for NPR in which he criticized someone for wanting to package racism in science.


http://biochemicalsoul.com/2008/10/john-derbyshire-claims-the-barack-obama-will-kill-science/

[Number23]

92. Thanks so much to you and cali for these articles

This is definitely one of the most interesting complaints against an Obama presidency I've seen yet. :)

Reading the National Review article, the author only (smartly) alluded to the fact that Obama will kill biology. But at the end when he says something to the effect that "because Obama's a cultural Marxist, he will be more interested in multiculturalism instead of truth" belies the man's real point.

The absolutely DEPTHS that people will sink to deny or explain their own racism and prejudice is astounding.

[kirby]

79. And Palin will kill science cuz the Bible tells all we need to know...n/t

[SidneyCarton]

80. I wouldn't use the National Review for toilet paper...

Scientific studies prove that it causes Hemorrhoids.

[Johonny]

81. at the very basic level

genetics can't prove race exists. If all of the humans on Earth died but the aborigines 90 % of the variance would survive. The features that humans focus on as vastly important racial differences are simply not important at genetic level. So scientifically this person is so, so wrong it's not funny.

[taddles]

84. Are they fucking kidding?!?

Bush has been the worst president in HISTORY for support of science. He doesn't believe in science, he's a "faith based" moran. The racist inference that Obama would somehow support a "blacks only" type science program is so insulting and patently ignorant as to defy adequate description. Bush has been a travesty with regards to science, Obama will be a spring breeze in comparison. Piss on Republiscum, they are nothing but dirt and should be treated as such.

[Pithlet]

85. Now you've done it. Thanks for ruining the election.

Bringing up crackpot articles like this on a message board and ridiculing them? What are you thinking? I'm sure McCain appreciates your support. :crazy:

[specialed]

86. I thought killing science was already taken by the right...

wing christo-fundy brigades.

[gypsylud]

87. Note the blatant sexist footnote to the artical

he must gleefully cite!

When “Godless” was helping me get up to speed on this stuff, I asked him at one point: “What’s the difference between a geneticist and a genomicist?” He gave a very cute answer: “Geneticists are female, genomicists are male.” Asked to elaborate, he offered this: “Imagine you are walking down a corridor in a research institute, looking in through the glass panels in doors. In one lab you see a young woman of nontrivial attractiveness carefully adding drops to a Petri dish from a pipette. That’s a geneticist. A couple of doors along you look into another lab and there are two young guys arguing about some long string of numbers displayed on a computer screen. Those are genomicists …”

[intheflow]

88. Man, we are living in seriously scary times!

Reading this makes me want to cry, get angry, and scared all at once--hard to prioritize my feelings because this bullshit was settled long ago, but I suppose when right-wingers set up their own schools and colleges to teach their own sick, warped view of the world, the bigotry gets perpetuated.

[spanone]

89. bu$h* has done more to destroy science than any president in my lifetime

national review, if they print crap like this, is less than a reactionary rag

[ArbustoBuster]

90. The moron who wrote this is a willing tool of a supposed scientist with an agenda.

Proof is at the very end of the article, in a footnote, which I'll quote here: "When 'Godless' was helping me get up to speed on this stuff, I asked him at one point: 'What's the difference between a geneticist and a genomicist?' He gave a very cute answer: 'Geneticists are female, genomicists are male.' Asked to elaborate, he offered this: 'Imagine you are walking down a corridor in a research institute, looking in through the glass panels in doors. In one lab you see a young woman of nontrivial attractiveness carefully adding drops to a Petri dish from a pipette. That’s a geneticist. A couple of doors along you look into another lab and there are two young guys arguing about some long string of numbers displayed on a computer screen. Those are genomicists...'"

So this article is just the layering of right-wing political idiocy over some individual scientist's racism and sexism. Fuck this article, it's trash through and through.

[apocalypsehow]

91. What in the world? That's some idiotic shit.

:thumbsdown:

[eridani]

93. Will a creationist whackjob who doesn't believe humans ever did anything--

--to accelerate climate change kill scientific research?

[agentS]

94. Just wondering...is this 2008 America or 1938 Germany?

Because from where I AM standing, I'm failing to see a lot of difference.

OF course, these NRO guys represent some of the Republican intelligencia, whose thought patterns best resemble schoolyard bullies.
"What's mine is mine what's yours iz(sic) mine and you can't have any because you're not like me! Hahaha, haha, ha ha!"

Even with the 700 billion dollar bailout looming I hope President Obama finds a way to increase science funding to put these false notions to bed at rest.

Will Obama Kill Science?
The unasked question.

By John Derbyshire

No, Mr. Derbyshit, I have your unasked question: If white Republicans are so smart, then why is McCain's ancient unstable ass at the top of their ticket? :dunce: