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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:34 AM
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Do you know Ronald Reagan's middle name?
How about the Georges Bush? Or Bill Clinton. Or Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower...? I can name all of them without thinking about it.

Know, how about John Kerry? Al Gore? Bob Dole? Walter Mondale? I can look them up, and I know Kerry's name started with an F, but I don't know any of them as easily as the winners of the elections (or the person sworn in, whether they won or not).

Now, whose middle name do we know better--Obama's or McCain's?

See the pattern? Coincidence? I think not! :)
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:35 AM
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1. Exactly. They are trying to make Obama into a terrorist. They're inciting violence.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:36 AM
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2. Err, Hussein??
?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:00 AM
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12. Err, obviously, ??
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 08:22 AM
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42. Err, sorry for the attempt at humor.
I knew it was Wilson.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:53 AM
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62. Ronald Wilson Reagan = 666
Six letters in each of his names--was he the Antichrist? :shrug:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:36 AM
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3. I know modern ones.
Reagan was Wilson.
Clinton is Jefferson.
Nixon was Milhouse.
Johnson was Baines.
Kennedy was Fitzgerald.
Kerry is Forbes.
McCain is Sydney (or however it's spelled).
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:24 AM
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28. I think it was a Jeopardy question, or something
Name two presidents whose middle names were the same as other presidents.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:39 AM
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4. Wilson, right? (eom)
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:41 AM
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85. Didn't he change it to ONO?
Oh wait, I'm sorry, that was John Lennon,
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:40 AM
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5. hehe, way to turn their terror strategy against them
I got news for you John McCain, That's President Barack Hussein Obama.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:02 AM
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13. Shwew. I was beginning to think I'd written the post in Greek.
People actually answered the rhetorical questions instead of reading the post.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:22 AM
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40. Don't worry, I got your point right away.
I'm not quite sure how so many people missed it, except that perhaps they were so eager to prove how smart they were that they... yeah.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:40 AM
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6. It's John Forbes Kerry and
the RW noise machine used it on many occasions to support their Kerry-is-too-rich-to-understand theme -- you know, the same machine that seems to forget how rich John Sidney McCain III is.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:03 AM
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16. Oh. Yeah. Okay, that was a bad example on my part.
:)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:06 PM
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66. Yep I was just going to mention those two
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:41 AM
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7. I don't know Reagan's but
George Herbert Walker Bush (III) or (II).
William Jefferson Clinton.
James Earl Carter (I think).
Richard Milhouse Nixon.
Lyndon Baines Johnson.
John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
Dwight David Eisenhower.

Don't know Kerry, Gore, Dole or Mondale (which goes to show, that it is a good thing when people know your middle name).

John Sidney McCain.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:42 AM
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8. wilson
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 12:43 AM by swampg8r
truman said S but had no actual middle name
delano was roosevelt
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:46 AM
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9. tonight tweety said "we don't name ourselves"...their argument
is so stupid and it baits the ignorant.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:56 AM
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10. Wilson, Walker, Herbert Walker, Jefferson, Earl, Milhaus, Baines, Fitzgerald.
That's off the top of my head. I don't know Eisenhower's.

I guess the point of the post is that we generally only know the middle names of people who actually won elections? :shrug:
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chiefofclarinet Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:57 AM
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11. Here's what I remember
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 01:29 AM by chiefofclarinet
F. Roosevelt: Delano
Truman: S (His parents named him in honor of both of his grandfathers (I think), but refused to give precedence to either one. So Harry got stuck with just S. as his middle name.)
Eisenhower: Dwight (Actually, his given name was David Dwight Eisenhower, but he switched the two names around.)
Kennedy: Fitzgerald
Johnson: Baines
Nixon: Milhouse
Ford: ?
Carter: ?
Ray-gun: ?
Bush 41: Herbert Walker
Clinton: Jefferson (That might have been his birth surname, though.)
Dubya: Walker

The current GOP candidate is John Sidney McCain the Third.

Not bad, considering I am a scientist and not a historian.

Edit: I was right on all of them that I put down, including the stories, besides a misspelling of Nixon's name. Bill Clinton's birth surname was not Clinton, but it wasn't Jefferson either; it was Blythe.

2nd Edit: OK, now I get the purpose of the post. Yeah, I only remember John Forbes Kerry. Sometimes I forgot what Mondale's or McGovern's first name is...
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:23 AM
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27. ok, i'll help
Ford: Rudolph
Carter: Earl

Ray-Gun: (I always thought it was Ronald Ray Gun, wrong?)
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:02 AM
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14. Mondale is Fritz, I believe
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 01:03 AM by Morning Dew
nm

on edit _ wikipedia says Walter Frederick "Fritz" Mondale
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:03 AM
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15. Mondale's is Frederick. Fritz is his nickname. /nt
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:05 AM
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18. The questions were rhetorical.
I'm either the worst writer in the world, or it's just too late at night for rhetorical questions.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:08 AM
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20. We're all just a bunch of show-offs.
We think we can impress others with our knowledge of political trivia. :) I need to get a life (but first I need to go to bed). Good night all.

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chiefofclarinet Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:14 AM
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22. Hey, if you give DU a question, we will give you an answer whether you want it or not!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:04 AM
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17. Ah I like tests and I am an eghead
Ronald Wilson Reagan, George Walker Bush... William Jefferson Clinton.... carter I am stumped, Richard Milhaus Nixon, Lindon Baines Johnson. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Dwight D Eisenhower...

But I am an egghead, and it does not mater

As to Obama that woudl be Hussein... common as pie and McCain that be Sydney

:hi:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:06 AM
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19. It wasn't a test, the answers were supposed to be obvious.
:cry: I'm a failure.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:13 AM
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21. Problem is that they are not that obvious outside of political blogs
serious

Hell a good percentage of our voting public does not even know that George W Bush is the current occupant of the White House...

And sadly I am not shitting you
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:19 AM
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24. But this IS a political blog!
:cry:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:14 AM
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23. Ronald Wilson Reagan, George Walker Bush, William Jefferson Clinton ...
James Earl Carter, Richard Milhouse Nixon, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Dwight David Eisenhower, John Forbes Kerry, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr., Robert Joseph Dole, Walter Frederick Mondale.

But I get your point. lol
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:12 PM
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69. Lyndon Baines Johnson
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:20 AM
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25. Ronald Wilson Reagan
My all-time rejoinder to people who would always bring up whenever any fundie would bring up the whole "Anti-Christ" meme was Ronald Wilson Reagan; 6 letters in each name=666.

Shut them up every time.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 03:18 AM
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37. ...AND he announced his first political campaign...
...at 6 P.M. on 6/6/66.

(Well, that explains a lot...)

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:22 AM
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26. "Shitheel"?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:27 AM
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29. But you never ever heard Gerald Rudolph Ford.
Probably because of the war on Christmas.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:30 AM
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30. He never won an election. nt
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:35 AM
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33. ouch!
I thought it was because we waged that war and won it before O'Liely found us out.

But, to respond to the intent of your OP,
President Barack Hussein Obama,
the phrase is music to my ears.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:32 AM
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31. We know Obama's, therefore Obama will win!
:hi:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:56 AM
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34. Yay! You win a cookie!!
:rofl:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 04:03 AM
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38. For several decades, the tallest candidate has won the
presidential election.

Obama is much taller than McCain.

old hussain
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 02:47 PM
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73. Maybe I should run for president
I am over six feet tall! :P
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:26 AM
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84. Next time might be your turn nt
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:33 AM
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32. I always thought it was "Fuckin'."
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 01:57 AM
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35. That, or "Fucking racist piece of baby-killing shit." Something like that.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 02:37 AM
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36. "Fucking" is what I've always used. Ronald Fucking Reagan!
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:04 AM
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39. ding ding ding........hey thats what I still call him.
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 05:32 AM
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41. I remember Wilson for Reagan for 1 reason only
A friend of mine used to say the mark of the devil was the number 6-6-6 (since I'm Jewish I never heard it before). So, she said the Ronald Wilson Reagan was 6 letters each - 6-6-6. I always thought Reagan was the devil from that day forward.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 08:26 AM
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43. I ask right-wingers ...
if they had the choice of their middle name. That usually shuts them up.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 08:31 AM
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44. Calling someone by the full name is considered more formal
I think Bill Clinton ushered in the era of being more informal about what the president is called.
I'd prefer to see Palin referred to as Sarah Heath Palin, as Hillary is referred to as Hillary Rodham Clinton (and seldom is she referred to as Hillary Diane Clinton!).
I think the full name is a respectful way to refer to public officials.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:01 AM
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46. Yeah, that's probably the real reason.
We don't remember those who don't win.

As for the informal, that was "Jimmy" Carter before Bill Clinton.

And on Hillary, she kept the name Rodham when they first married. Later, it became a liability in the south, so she took Clinton's name, but used Rodham, both as a statement of her identity, and because her own law career had been built on the name Rodham. When Bill ran in 92 for president, the Republicans liked to emphasize Rodham as an insult, implying Hillary was a radical feminist.

I had forgotten that. This isn't the first time they've used middle names as insults.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:54 AM
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53. That's been turned on it's head to great success
Feminists have taken back the "b" word, African Americans have taken back the "n" word, gays have taken back the "f", "d", and "q" words--and they have become symbols of power and positive identity rather than the negative thrust that the other side meant them as.
Obama should embrace his name, use it often, and shut his critics up.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:39 AM
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55. Yes.
:thumbsup:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 08:34 AM
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45. Wilson, Walker, Jefferson, Earl, Milhouse, Baines, Fitzgerald, David

Without looking them up.

Next set:

You're right. I can't remember Gore, Dole, or Mondale's.


And McCain's I know, Sydney, but most Americans don't.




Serial killers and Presidents. Why is it we ALWAYS know their middle names?

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:56 AM
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47. agreed
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:01 AM
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48. Yes, I know all of their middle names
Wilson, Herbert Walker, Walker, Jefferson, Earl, Milhouse, Baines, Fitzgerald, David

and Sidney and Hussein.





The fact that his name is Hussein doesn't bother me. His middle name could be Hitler-Mussolini-YokoOno for all I care. I judge a man by his worth.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:00 PM
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63. I wasn't commenting on his middle name
I was commenting on the fact that you know the middle names of those elected president better than those who lose, so that maybe the Repubs are doing us a favor by making sure everyone knows Obama's middle name.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:02 AM
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49. Walker. Don't know. Earl. Milhouse. Bains. Fitzgerald. David, respectively.
And that's without the google.

.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:03 AM
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50. Nixon's was Milhouse
come on we all know that
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:04 AM
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51. The dim bulbs don't know the meaning of the name Hussein and
won't bother to find out. They don't know one of our greatest allies was King Hussein of Jordan and they won't bother to find that out either.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:10 AM
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52. William Jefferson Clinton and John Forbes Kerry comes to mind.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 10:55 AM
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54. Dildo.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:44 AM
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56. Dan Quayle used part of his middle name, not his first name
I believe his actual full name was James Danforth Quayle. No one called him James. No one called him "Danforth", either. It seems that his wishes as for how he was to be referred to were respected by the media.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:02 PM
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64. I'd forgotten that.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:45 AM
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57. Rancid?
??
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:53 AM
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61. Lets see
Woodrow - Wilson, easy one had to look up his first name(Thomas)
Howard - Taft
Gamaliel - Harding
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:46 AM
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58. Wilson!!!!!!!!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:03 PM
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65. LOL!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:49 AM
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59. Ronald Wilson Reagan. George Herbert Walker Bush. John Sidney McCain III.
Not sure but isn't it John F. Kerry. I just forget what the F is for, like you.

Albert ? Gore.

Robert ? Dole.

Walter ? Mondale.

LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON.

Hubert ? Humphrey.

RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON.

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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 11:52 AM
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60. Wilson - and here's a true story
When I attended Old Dominion University back during the Reagan years, Sam Donaldson came to speak at our school as part of a journalism lecture series. He told a story about Reagan during a bill signing ceremony. Reagan was given three pens, since it was customary for the president to sign the bill with different pens so that they could be auctioned off later. Reagan signed his name, and said, while holding the third, unused pen, "I wish I had a middle name."

Donaldson yelled from the press gallery, "Wilson, Mr. President!" :rofl:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:08 PM
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67. I actually know all of their middle names
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:11 PM
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68. Wilson, Herbert/Walker, Earl, Milhouse, Baines, Fitzgerald, David?
Then again I'm a trivia buff.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:13 PM
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70. It's Wilson but I get your point
Why I know that I have no clue
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:46 PM
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71. I know the presidents middle names without looking them up
"Georges Bush? Or Bill Clinton. Or Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower"

I thought this would be common knowledge, I'm surprised to learn that apparently it's not.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 12:48 PM
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72. Wilson.
But it doesn't matter.

If it was Barack Fred Obama or Barack Jason or Barack Steve, this wouldn't be an issue.

But his name is Barack Hussein Obama--and right wingers cannot RESIST using his name as a scare tactic for their foaming-at-the-mouth, racist, xenophobic base.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:46 PM
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74. Rutherford Birchard Hayes
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:47 PM
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75. Rat at HUAC?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:53 PM
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76. Uh well actually yes I do. I know all of them
Wilson is Rayguns's, Baine's is LBJ's, Milhouse is Nixon's, Frances is JFK, Earl is Carter's, David is Esenhower's, oh and Sydney is McINSANE's. I'm into politics so yeah I now them. :blush:
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:58 PM
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77. Nancy?
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 07:59 PM
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78. wingnut?
:shrug:
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 08:06 PM
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79. Ok, QUICK Response on those, in list form.... Some yes, Some no, Some I know the initial
Edited on Thu Oct-09-08 08:08 PM by RollWithIt
George Herbert Walker Bush
George Walker Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
Lyndon B Johnson (Don't know what the B is)
Rich Nixon (Don't know)
John F Kennedy (Fitzgerald? Franklin?)
Dwight Eisonhower (mind blank, D for David?)
Ronald Reagan, no clue

John Kerry dont know
Al Gore dont know
Bob Dole dont know
Walter Mondale dont know

And heck, what is McCains? Sidney I think?
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:44 PM
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80. Hiram Ulysses Grant
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:56 PM
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81. Everyone knows that Obama's middle name is Hussein. But
few people are aware that Michelle Obama's middle name is Saddam. Just kidding. I better be careful or an email campaign will spread the runor.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-08 09:57 PM
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82. Geez, just about everyone does
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:54 AM
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83. Warren Gamaliel Harding
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