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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:16 AM
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I read the transcript of the debate, check out this exchange-
Non Sequitur anyone?

OK this part is about the Mortgage Mess, yes that's the discussion ok?

BIDEN: Well, mortgage-holders didn't pay the price. Only 10 percent of the people who are -- have been affected by this whole switch from Chapter 7 to Chapter 13 -- it gets complicated.

But the point of this -- Barack Obama saw the glass as half- empty. I saw it as half-full. We disagreed on that, and 85 senators voted one way, and 15 voted the other way.

But here's the deal. Barack Obama pointed out two years ago that there was a subprime mortgage crisis and wrote to the secretary of Treasury. And he said, "You'd better get on the stick here. You'd better look at it."

John McCain said as early as last December, quote -- I'm paraphrasing -- "I'm surprised about this subprime mortgage crisis," number one.

Number two, with regard to bankruptcy now, Gwen, what we should be doing now -- and Barack Obama and I support it -- we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you're paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe.

That would keep people in their homes, actually help banks by keeping it from going under. But John McCain, as I understand it -- I'm not sure of this, but I believe John McCain and the governor don't support that.

There are ways to help people now. And there -- ways that we're offering are not being supported by -- by the Bush administration nor do I believe by John McCain and Gov. Palin.

IFILL: Gov. Palin, is that so?

PALIN: That is not so, but because that's just a quick answer, I want to talk about, again, my record on energy versus your ticket's energy ticket, also.

I think that this is important to come back to, with that energy policy plan again that was voted for in '05.

When we talk about energy, we have to consider the need to do all that we can to allow this nation to become energy independent.

It's a nonsensical position that we are in when we have domestic supplies of energy all over this great land. And East Coast politicians who don't allow energy-producing states like Alaska to produce these, to tap into them, and instead we're relying on foreign countries to produce for us.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcrip... /
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:20 AM
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1. She got in trouble with the McPalin camp with this little bit
PALIN: That is not so, but because that's just a quick answer...

She was so focused on her talking points, I don't think she was even paying attention to Joe's reply.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:22 AM
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3. i think she had her stuff memorized in order so it didn't matter what the question was, she was at
#8 on her list so that's what she spewed.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:24 AM
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5. LOL! Totally...

Did not matter ONE BIT what Gwen was actually asking her about...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:26 AM
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6. i missed most of the debate but i caught the last 30 minutes in my car as i was
driving home and hearing it as opposed to seeing it gave me a new perspective on how terrible she really is. She is really bad when she see her but when you just hear her it really brings it home.


:hi:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:22 PM
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21. I agree -- another radio listener
I carried a little radio with me and listened to the debate while I grocery shopped last evening. I don't think I could have stomached looking at the whole thing on TV...
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:04 PM
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18. ROTFL!
:rofl:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:44 AM
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9. it was not a dialogue (Joe engaged in a dialogue with the American people), Palin played with McRove
talking points.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:21 AM
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2. I noticed that too...
She changed subjects so fast I thought I was going to sprain my neck...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:23 AM
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4. the whole transcript is just full of WTF?.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:28 AM
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7. Drill baby Drill!
Mavericks.. wink, wink
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:47 AM
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12. And she found a way to fit "Revelation" in to her response.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:48 AM by ingin
Yes, I would have. But here, again, there have -- there have been so many changes in the conditions of our economy in just even these past weeks that there has been more and more revelation made aware now to Americans about the corruption and the greed on Wall Street.



Wink, wink, the end is near, wink, wink.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:49 AM
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13. I used to drive a Maverick nt
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:55 AM
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17. My sister had one too...the engine caught fire as she drove it down
the highway. I think that this "team of Mavericks" is just about to go down in flames too! :)
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:32 AM
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8. Good god, what a fucking moron
'I don't know anything at all about John's position on the subprime mortgage crisis or what he'd do to fix it, and I don't know what my position is because no-one bothered to tell me, so let me talk about energy! Because I'm just gosh-darn energetic! Did I mention that we have a lot of oil in Alaska?'
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:46 AM
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11. I'm at #8 on my list---number 8! I think Ifill could have asked what day of the week
it was and she would have spouted the answer to TP #9.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:46 AM
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10. She knows nothing on the policies. She has ZERO policy.
I loved her statement of..."I've been on the ticket for 5 weeks so I don't have any policies to disagree with." She's an idiot.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:51 AM
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14. This was the exchange that had me yelling at the TV:
IFILL: Governor, I'm happy to talk to you in this next section about energy issues. Let's talk about climate change. What is true and what is false about what we have heard, read, discussed, debated about the causes of climate change?

PALIN: Yes. Well, as the nation's only Arctic state and being the governor of that state, Alaska feels and sees impacts of climate change more so than any other state. And we know that it's real.

I'm not one to attribute every man -- activity of man to the changes in the climate. Hello, really? The activities of man are due to the changes in the climate? I think you have that a little bass-ackwards, darlin'. There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet.

But there are real changes going on in our climate. And I don't want to argue about the causes. What I want to argue about is, how are we going to get there to positively affect the impacts? Yeah, you betcha. Gotta affect those impacts, now.

We have got to clean up this planet. We have got to encourage other nations also to come along with us with the impacts of climate change, what we can do about that. Come for the impact, stay for the Moose.

As governor, I was the first governor to form a climate change sub-cabinet to start dealing with the impacts. We've got to reduce emissions. John McCain is right there with an "all of the above" approach to deal with climate change impacts.

We've got to become energy independent for that reason. Also as we rely more and more on other countries that don't care as much about the climate as we do Yah, we're a winner, you betcha! All those other countries that rebuked the Kyoto Treaty are polluting criminals! What's that? We're one of the only countries who didn't sign that? Never mind..., we're allowing them to produce and to emit and even pollute more than America would ever stand for.

So even in dealing with climate change, it's all the more reason that we have an "all of the above" approach, tapping into alternative sources of energy and conserving fuel, conserving our petroleum products and our hydrocarbons so that we can clean up this planet and deal with climate change.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:52 AM
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16. Is that the one where Biden called her out on her ignorance?
"If we don't know what caused the problem than how can we fix it?"
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:15 PM
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19. That's the one:
BIDEN: Well, I think it is manmade. I think it's clearly manmade. And, look, this probably explains the biggest fundamental difference between John McCain and Barack Obama and Sarah Palin and Joe Biden -- Gov. Palin and Joe Biden.

If you don't understand what the cause is, it's virtually impossible to come up with a solution. We know what the cause is. The cause is manmade. That's the cause. That's why the polar icecap is melting.

Now, let's look at the facts. We have 3 percent of the world's oil reserves. We consume 25 percent of the oil in the world. John McCain has voted 20 times in the last decade-and-a-half against funding alternative energy sources, clean energy sources, wind, solar, biofuels.


The way in which we can stop the greenhouse gases from emitting. We believe -- Barack Obama believes by investing in clean coal and safe nuclear, we can not only create jobs in wind and solar here in the United States, we can export it.

China is building one to three new coal-fired plants burning dirty coal per week. It's polluting not only the atmosphere but the West Coast of the United States. We should export the technology by investing in clean coal technology.

We should be creating jobs. John McCain has voted 20 times against funding alternative energy sources and thinks, I guess, the only answer is drill, drill, drill. Drill we must, but it will take 10 years for one drop of oil to come out of any of the wells that are going to begun to be drilled.

In the meantime, we're all going to be in real trouble.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:51 AM
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15. Well she's right about one thing-
it was definitely a short answer.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:17 PM
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20. And Gwen I-Fail didn't call her on it.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:26 PM
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22. there were no follow ups from the mod, i don't know if that's what was agreed upon or what, i hate
no follow up questions because as we all know, that either makes it or breaks it.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:27 PM
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23. But asking her to answer the actual question isn't a follow-up.
Unless these rules were really wacky to begin with.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:39 PM
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24. very true, i would have liked to hear "Ok now please answer the question, no filibustering"
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:45 PM
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25. She Did That A Few Times
BIDEN: Well, the one thing we might have to slow down is a commitment we made to double foreign assistance. We'll probably have to slow that down.

We also are going to make sure that we do not go forward with the tax cut proposals of the administration -- of John McCain, the existing one for people making over $250,000, which is $130 billion this year alone.

We're not going to support the $300 billion tax cut that they have for corporate America and the very wealthy. We're not going to support another $4 billion tax cut for ExxonMobil.

And what we're not going to also hold up on, Gwen, is we cannot afford to hold up on providing for incentives for new jobs by an energy policy, creating new jobs.

We cannot slow up on education, because that's the engine that is going to give us the economic growth and competitiveness that we need.

And we are not going to slow up on the whole idea of providing for affordable health care for Americans, none of which, when we get to talk about health care, is as my -- as the governor characterized -- characterized.

The bottom line here is that we are going to, in fact, eliminate those wasteful spending that exist in the budget right now, a number of things I don't have time, because the light is blinking, that I won't be able to mention, but one of which is the $100 billion tax dodge that, in fact, allows people to take their post office box off- shore, avoid taxes.


I call that unpatriotic. I call that unpatriotic.

IFILL: Governor?

BIDEN: That's what I'm talking about.

IFILL: Governor?

PALIN: Well, the nice thing about running with John McCain is I can assure you he doesn't tell one thing to one group and then turns around and tells something else to another group, including his plans that will make this bailout plan, this rescue plan, even better.

I want to go back to the energy plan, though, because this is -- this is an important one that Barack Obama, he voted for in '05.

Sen. Biden, you would remember that, in that energy plan that Obama voted for, that's what gave those oil companies those big tax breaks. Your running mate voted for that.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:47 PM
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27. you know i really hope people will take a second look at her answers, i'm not talking
us here but the media and maybe some of our fellow Americans.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:45 PM
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26. There were several instances where she glossed over the question that had
been asked and went off on a different, but usually related subject. However, this topic was the most glaring example to me of completely avoiding a subject. I think that they didn't coach her on the Bankruptcy Bill and she had no memorized answer to fall back on so she just ignored it and talked about energy instead. She was just filling up her time.
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