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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:31 PM
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Karl Rove you magnificent BASTARD!
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 02:32 PM by Richardo
OK: Another post-Zell reaction from a conservative colleague...

Just got off the phone with a friend who's not highly political, and has usually leaned Republican in a casual sort of way - until last night:

Him: "I watched the convention last night and all I saw was Kerry bashing. It was disgusting. Is that all they have? Tell me how you're going to fix health care. Tell me how you're going to get the economy rolling again so I can make more money. Tell me about your plan for education."

Me (Mr Disingenuous): "I think the viciousness might backfire on them."

Him: "I'm sure it will!"

Just a minor anecdote - but I gotta tell ya, I've NEVER heard him that fired up about anything political. He went on for another 5 minutes, and I was smiling the whole time. :)

Go, Zell, go!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:32 PM
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1. way to go Zell.... a gift of stupidity from Rove
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:34 PM
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2. See ROVE-er growl, bite and snarl....put ROVE-er DOWN! LOL
GGGRRrrrrrr.....big fat white boy Rove doesn't scare a democrat, we are ALL enjoying the laugh Cheney and Miller are giving us! The hot headed REpugs all lost their cool behind the big wooden cross! LOL...the IRONY!

They all looked RIDICULOUS and DESPERATE screaming like a bunch of school girl banshee's!
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:35 PM
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3. I think it was a Karen Hughes operation
of course, what's the difference between the two
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:37 PM
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5. Just Karl in drag - that's why they have the same monogram.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:38 PM
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Oh! Right...they do
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:38 PM
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7. Hughes was famous for her "concern" over Kerry's military record
So yes, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.







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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:41 PM
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11. Hmmm
Have we ever seen Karl and Karen together in the same room?
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:50 PM
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17. I dunno, but...I'm guessing the whole Swift Boat thing was not 100% Rove
"Karen Hughes' high-octane gall"

http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/04/27/hughes/

April 27, 2004 | For George W. Bush's surrogates to question John Kerry's war record, as they have continued to do in recent days, requires a special Republican brand of super-high-octane gall. Why would the president want to draw additional attention to the most unflattering contrast between him and the Democratic challenger? Why would his flacks reopen the painful issues of that era by questioning Kerry's undoubted heroism? If anyone ever earned the right to talk about what he had seen in Vietnam and why no more Americans should kill or die there, it was the young, highly decorated Navy lieutenant who had volunteered for duty.

Whatever plan the White House is pursuing, Karen Hughes proved last Sunday that the highly personal attack on Kerry is coming directly from the top. No one can doubt that Hughes speaks for Bush, sometimes quite literally, as she did in "A Charge to Keep," the Bush "autobiography" she ghosted for him in 1999. She claimed to be "very troubled" by comments Kerry made in 1971 about atrocities he witnessed during the war and urged the press to "follow up some line of inquiry" about whether he was inventing and exaggerating those concerns -- or whether he might even have committed war crimes himself. "I wish we knew a little bit more about that," said the troubled Hughes, as if deeply concerned whether Kerry tossed his ribbons or his medals over a fence at the Pentagon during a 1971 demonstration.

Now if Hughes were honestly interested in Kerry's conduct during the war, she could peruse the official Navy documents posted on his Web site, which include his medal citations and sterling evaluations by his superiors. If she is truly ignorant about the horrors perpetrated in Vietnam's free-fire zones, she could consult the memories of prominent veterans such as Secretary of State Colin Powell and former Sen. Bob Kerrey, or the voluminous history of the My Lai investigation.

More likely Hughes was just being her disingenuous self when suggesting Kerry's wartime behavior hadn't gotten enough scrutiny. At any rate, she isn't in the best position to accuse Kerry or anyone else of false pretenses. Among the press corps that covered the 2000 campaign, her instinct to conceal and dissemble was well known. Indeed, conservative journalist Tucker Carlson suggested last year that her willingness to lie for Bush "almost crosses over ... into mental illness." Feigning indigation over comments made by Kerry more than 30 years ago would pose no challenge for Hughes.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:37 PM
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4. I Think they are pretending a little too much
That Bush will have all the answers in his speech tonight; on NPR i heard them talking about how so far the Convention hasn't put forward any kind of positive program and that will be up to president Bush tonight.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:53 PM
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20. Cheney used the word "job" twice last night...
...each time in reference to HIS job.

So it was all Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry...

Nothing on the economy, jobs, healthcare...

Tonight, for Bush, it will be terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra, terra...

Like Todd Rundgren said, "I just wanna bang on the drum all day."
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:54 PM
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21. Yeah, THAT'LL work
Bush will give us the same platitudes and BS he gave in 2000, as the Daily Show said, like the Olympics, compassionate conservativism shows up every four years with great fanfare
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:38 PM
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6. Me thinks the repuke party will tell Zell to stifle til the election. LOL!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:50 PM
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16. Constant bombardment of the airwaves with snips of Z's speech ..
...could win this election. The party might tell Zell to stifle, but the damage is already done and the record of Zell Miller's diatribe will outlive all of us.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:40 PM
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8. Truth that the emperor has no clothes!
They have to attack Kerry. What else do they have to say?
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:40 PM
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9. The Pillsbury Doughboy deserves a thank you.
Thanks Doughy!
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:41 PM
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10. And now that the RNC is a disaster, he got the Hurricane to show up!
...And take the RNC off the front pages of the news.

:evilgrin:

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:42 PM
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12. I've said it all along-People want to know what you are going to do
and try as they might they can't reverse the natural order of politics- re-election campaigns are always referendums on "incumbents" records.

Bash all you want, people want to know what YOU are going to do.

Not EVERYTHING changed after 9/11.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:46 PM
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13. DNC needs to play portions of Zell's keynote address over and over again.
Zig-Zag Zell's venomous diatribe was breathtaking. It needs to be cherry-picked for DNC campaign ads. Zig-Zag's screed needs to be shoved right down the GOP's throat. Make Rove and little-man Bu$h eat Zell Miller's caustic words!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:48 PM
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15. Take each one of his laundry list of weapons systems...
...and show that Kerry voted FOR the majority of them and Cheney wanted to CUT them.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:52 PM
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18. Make the GOP spend political capital defending their "Democrat".
This was a huge mistake for Rove.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:47 PM
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14. Zell Miller = Coal-Mine Canary
That's the only thing that explains it.

I think the GOP is using his worn-out ass to gauge just how far they can go and what they can get away with.

The RNC Coronation is turning into an enigma. The only things that adequately explain what they are doing would be ...

a) they know they are going to lose and are making a desperate play to re-energize "the base", using high-risk tactics because "what the heck";

... or ...

2) they know they are going to win, and they are pre-emptively rubbing our faces in their dirt.

Either way, we are approaching a rift in the space-time continuum. Which is OK by me, just as long I don't have to go back to high school again. :)

--bkl
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:56 PM
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22. "First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect"
"Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect.
You live your life like a canary in a coal mine.
You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line."

-The Police ;)
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:53 PM
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19. "Is that all they have?" How long do you think they will keep ASKING?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:09 PM
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23. I think the sprint from Labor Day to November 2 will be the most telling
...Most Americans are only NOW starting to pay attention and ask questions like that. If they don;t get any answers after four solid uninterrupted days of GOP propaganda, they'll REALLY start to wonder what Smirky has to offer.

With the debates, and any more GOP seppuku like Zell, I think we're in good shape.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 04:14 PM
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24. Is this the last chance for Bush, or will it be enough
for the pubbie talking heads to SAY he has specific plans in their post speech spinning?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 05:01 PM
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26. If my buddy is any barometer, spin won't do it - it time for specifics
This is why I think the debates will ROCK!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 04:19 PM
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25. Thanks for this Richardo!
I hope it turned off Many Millions!
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