Clark calls to reduce or end taxes for lower, middle class

[BobbyJay]

Clark calls to reduce or end taxes for lower, middle class


Associated Press
Jan. 6, 2004 12:00 AM


NASHUA, N.H. - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark offered his plan Monday to simplify the tax system and reduce or eliminate the burden on lower- and middle-class families by making the wealthiest Americans pay more.

"My tax-reform plan is simple," Clark said. "Those who make the most should pay more. Those who make the least should pay less."

Calling his plan "the most sweeping tax reform this nation has seen in years," the retired general said families of four that make less than $50,000 a year will not pay any income tax. All taxpaying families with children and making under $100,000 will get a tax cut.

The proposal would mean that 61,971 Arizona families would be exempt from paying taxes, according to calculations by Harvard Kennedy School Professor Jeffrey Liebman, using IRS statistics. An additional 559,700 Arizona families would see their income tax bills decreased.

more....

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0106dems-college06.html

[Jack_Dawson]

1. That would be a fairly insanely popular idea,

dontcha think?

:toast:

[BobbyJay]

2. Yes, in the REAL WORLD

Not on this website.

[robbedvoter]

4. Yeah, I heard that other candidate supporters decided "No cuts should be

given to anyone" So, I guess Clark is in serious non-compliance...:shrug:

[BobbyJay]

5. Yeah, Clark apparently didn't get the 'OPERATION LOSE 2004' memo

More taxes for all!!!!


:eyes:

[Jack_Dawson]

11. LOL

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[Bread and Circus]

25. Oh man, that was so funny I spit my coffee out!

[bowens43]

18. Insane is correct.

Just how do you think that Clark could pull this off with a Republican majority in congress? You do realize don't you that the president doesn't make law? This is just more of the good general spouting the nonsense that he thinks people want to hear. Do you think it fair that the wealthy pay more and the middle class and poor pay nothing? This is a ridiculous idea that will never see the light of day. An idea that will confirm all of the worst things the republicans have been saying about liberals over the years.

[BobbyJay]

24. It has 10000000 times more of a chance than Dean's fairy tales

And Clark can WIN on his platform. Dean can't.

[robbedvoter]

3. Finally, a correct title! Thanks. Another good one (describes other plans

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clark6jan06,1,1854649.story?coll=la-home-politics


 

Clark Offers 'Simple' Yet Sweeping Tax Reform
By Eric Slater

[liberalnurse]

6. I posted this is an earlier thread...

This is what Neil Boortz said today on his radio program about Clarks tax plan.


<snip>

www.boortz.com

The goal? Come on, now. It's so simple. Once you have a majority of Americans not paying any taxes, then you have a majority of Americans who don't really care that much about how high taxes get! After all, it's not like they're having to pay them.

Now Wes Clark has come out with his grand tax plan. If (huge if) Wesley actually becomes president he will, if the congress goes along, bring about a law that would make all families of four who make under $50,000 completely exempt from all federal income taxes. There will be additional tax breaks for families of four making less than $100,000. And what of the high income earners? What about the businessmen and women who provide employment for the vast majority of Americans? What about the high-achievers who truly power our economy? Well ... Clark wants their taxes to go up.

Open your eyes, folks. This is pure, unadulterated class warfare ... and brilliant political strategy. Think about it. You're in an election. Over one-half of the voters don't pay any federal income taxes. Less than one-half do. All you have to do is tell those folks out there who don't pay taxes that if the other guy wins he is going to start making them pay. Easy enough. People love a free ride ... and they'll go to the polls to protect that privilege. Democratic politicians have been working toward this state of political nirvana for decades. Strangely enough, Republicans, on occasion, have been eager to help them.

We were warned over 100 years ago that democracy will fail once the electorate realizes that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. We're there.

One more thing. Wes Clark says he is going to cover the tab for removing all these people from the tax rolls by closing corporate tax loopholes. This is Clark telling you that he thinks you're stupid. Clark knows that corporations don't pay taxes. He knows that corporations collect taxes from customers, employees and shareholders and pass them off to the federal government. When Clark says that he is going to close corporate tax loopholes he is really saying that he is going to raise taxes on corporate employees, consumers and shareholders. A tax is a tax whether it is paid directly to the IRS or handed to a corporation or business to be passed on to the IRS. If the celebrity and sports obsessed American people could simply learn this one simple economics lesson politicians like Clark would lose a powerful rhetorical weapon and would be forced to deal more honestly with voters.

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Now it's coming from a Libertarian...they base their politics on taxes......

[BobbyJay]

7. You're citing a radio host who calls the Dem candidates names?

LOL

[BobbyJay]

8. Here is a quote from Boortz on Dean....

Looking forward to 2004. This is going to be one of the better election years. We'll be broadcasting from Manchester, New Hampshire day before and the day of the New Hampshire primary, and we'll also be at the Democratic National Convention this year. Should be fun.

Speaking of the election .. as the cover of National Review says, PLEASE nominate Howard Dean. Here is a man who isn't sure if Osama is guilty, and wants him tried in an international court of some kind. He attacks America, and Howard Dean wants him tried in an international court. This is a man who also said he would have more than happy to deal with Saddam Hussein, but only if the United Nations gave him permission. This is a man prepared to surrender the sovereignty of the United States as soon as he gets into office.


http://boortz.com/nuze/200312/12292003.html

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Yes, this guy sounds HUGELY credible.

[liberalnurse]

10. The focus is Clark.......

Dean ain't in the loop at the moment...The post was regarding Clark's tax plan.....Switching the focus onto an unrelated Dean bashing option is a weak defense for Clark's plan.

[Democrats unite]

17. Yes Dean is! He wants to raise our taxes!

eom

[Lefty48197]

20. Boortz, some friend of Democrats

If you can find a Democratic candidate that HASN'T been attacked by Boortz, then let me know.

[BobbyJay]

9. Any explanation as to why you'd cite Boortz?

[liberalnurse]

12. Libertarian's have a foundation for tax relief

and have keen insight to the issue. Boortz is a Libertarian.

Obviously you desire to quote him as well. Whats the beef?

[BobbyJay]

13. A libertarian who bashes both our our two candidates?

I don't sink that low. I've visited the guy's website. He does nothing but bash Democrats.

[SahaleArm]

27. A foundation for no taxes and privatizing everything else...

Not realistic given the current state of affairs.

[OKNancy]

16. and I and others responded

that it is really low to quote Boortz. Why not just quote Limbaugh too?

[Bread and Circus]

26. Hey, I made a lot more than a lot of folks here (i.e. >80K)

and I paid no taxes for 2003 (thanks to Bush).

Now, that's Class Warfare.

Clark's just trying to
help out struggling families.

Do you have a problem with a President trying to help
struggling families, Liberalnurse?

[SahaleArm]

28. Grover Norquist hates taxes - Quote him as well

That should convince everyone...

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. You're using BOORTZ! as a source for information?

We've hit a new low. :( Neil Boortz is just as bad as Limbaugh. I won't even read that garbage....he's a RW hack! :grr:

[cryofan]

14. we actually need MORE taxes, but especially on the upper income groups

and what about SINGLE people and childless couples?

[BobbyJay]

15. Ask Dean about them

oh wait, don't.

By the way, Kucinich supports middle and lower class tax relief.

[quaker bill]

21. Yes, what about them and

Those making minimum wage whose social security taxes go to pay for the deficit?

[Lefty48197]

19. Great plan

Imagine that: A tax plan that is designed to help the people that really need help. What an innovator.

[adamrsilva]

22. Dean and Gephardt give cold, hard truth. Others offer pie-in-the-sky

tax plans in which we can have everything in the world by just taxing rich people a little bit more.

[BobbyJay]

23. What do Gephardt and Dean both have in common?

You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

[Clark4VotingRights]

30. So grateful to General Clark for noticing that the middle/lower classes

Are being destroyed.

[flaminbats]

31. ohhh hell!

Let's just abolish the fucking government, stop paying taxes, just let corporations make and enforce the laws. Who needs that government shit anyway? :shrug:

[SahaleArm]

32. Do you propose we tax the middle and lower income group into...

oblivion and cap taxes at $200,000 so that wealth can be concetrated?

[flaminbats]

34. It depends on which lier I decide to vote for!

My impression was that voting Democratic would allow us to live like Republicans. But now the logic seems to be if you want to live honestly, vote for those who say only what you wish to hear..

[retyred]

33. A man with a REAL plan

who'd a thunk it!


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[billbuckhead]

35. Clark's an economist! I bet his plan works.

Has to be better than Repub "tinkle down " economics.