Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bill Clinton: Well, we know McCain did not postpone the debate because he was

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:23 AM
Original message
Bill Clinton: Well, we know McCain did not postpone the debate because he was
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:23 AM by my3boyz
scared to debate Obama. McCain wanted more debates! SHUT THE HELL UP BILL!!! I can't stand his ass anymore. I can't wait to see his damn face once Obama wins. Oh and he said the debates should be cancelled if both candidates agree to it. WHATEVER!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:24 AM
Response to Original message
1. Bill Clinton holds a deep jealousy of Barack Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Yup! He says a couple of positive things about him but can't resist throwing a few jabs in there. He
is so jealous that he can't see straight. The democratic party was supposed to be is party and they turned on him by siding with Barack.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #1
62. yes. sadly the clinton's sense of entitlement is now a liability for the dems
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. ps. some of us were pointing this out in january when they race baited *cough*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #1
70. that says it all. Obama is now the man and billy can't stand it.
the self absorbed little prick.

I used to really admire him and look forward to his speeches but now I can't stand even looking at that lieing gob.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #70
85. I wouldn't call him little.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #70
90. Please. The Democratic party doesn't have "the man"
Or it shouldn't. It's a coalition, not a dictatorship.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:25 AM
Response to Original message
2. I think you're right. I think he can't
stand that Obama may end up a more popular and successful president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #2
12. Well, the thing is...
Clinton essentially presided as a moderate, rational Republican, the like of whom are as rare as hen's teeth these days. As well as Obama's victory in the primary, I wonder if he'd be loathe to see someone who is a bit closer to being a true Democrat take the Presidency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:26 AM
Response to Original message
3. yep. bill is really not helping Obama. his agenda is clearly to help McCain and hurt Obama
tough shit for bill that it won't work. Despite what the apologists say, bill richly deserves the approprium of all real democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
100. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:26 AM
Response to Original message
5. have you ever heard of these things called links?
No link, no description of where this is, no context, no ability to judge if you are simply lying through your teeth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Perhaps you should turn your tv on sometime and you would see it. How am I supposed
to link a clip from Good Morning America?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. you could say
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:30 AM by dsc
I just saw Good Morning America and Clinton said yada yada yada. Some of us, I know you will need vapors for this, are at work at this hour of the morning and aren't psychic. Oh and ABC does have a website where I am sure this will eventually be put.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #8
53. Sorry I saw it on GMA, Bill saying same thing. Many others saw it, too.
No link because it was a live interview, maybe later. But I'm sure there will be plenty of links later on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #8
54. The video is up! Judge for yourself!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #54
73. I just watched it, thanks
You guys have got to get a grip. You are overblowing his words in an attempt to continue your irrational HATE.

Dang.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #8
55. If you are at work why don't you do your job instead of making
snarky comments towards someone who is trying to tell you what was on tv. I have no reason to lie about Bill Clinton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #5
27. Bill on Today: 'Both of them have gone out of their way to not let this get involved with politics.'
Are you f*cking kidding me! McCain's actions regarding suspending his campaign and delaying the debate are pure politics, cynical politics. Tom Brokaw said yesterday, in response to McCain's latest moves, that McCain loved 'ambushes'--and, so far, they had worked for him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:28 AM
Response to Original message
7. I defended him after the View
I was wrong. Bill Clinton is just a big time asshole
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:32 AM
Response to Original message
9. Bill Clinton...what a blessing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. true enough. he's a blessing for McCain and Palin
and an irritant for Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:33 AM
Response to Original message
10. If he did say that,it's just inexcusable!
It sounds like a Lieberman quote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalMOmama Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:33 AM
Response to Original message
11. Maybe he's baiting John McCain?
I doubt it but I'm throwing it out there anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. Don't understand " throwing it out there" if you doubt it. I doubt it, too, though. Don't even un-
dertand how defending McCain can possibly be seen as baiting him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:34 AM
Response to Original message
13. That's the kind of support I'm talking about!
Clinton looked better and better the longer Bush-the-stupider was in office, but the reality is that his presidency was All About Bill, he screwed interns and progressive values with equal abandon, and he ushered in Republican control of all three brances of the government.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #13
34. Because of Monica Lewinsky, Gore lost 2000
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 07:01 AM by obiden
otherwise it wouldn't even have been close
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #34
65. Al Gore did NOT
lose because of Monica Lewinsky. Grow up! It is REALLY time to get over that crap. President Clinton left office with an approval rating near 70%. ONE of the reasons Al Gore is not president now is because he ran away from Bill Clinton during his campaign....Oh...and because Bush CHEATED!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #65
69. Amazing how many freeper talking points have become conventional wisdom on DU lately.
If I were the suspicious kind, I might think that's not purely coincidental.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #69
82. Hmmm....,
Very interesting, isn't it? :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. Yes, it really is very interesting. But purely coincidental, I'm sure. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. Oh, yes! Of course
it is PURELY coincidental! ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #69
98. Especially when a former DEMOCRATIC president is using 'em.
Crazy, isn't it? How he can continue to prop up McCain and give subtle slams to Obama.

That Bill, he's one crazy SOB!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:35 AM
Response to Original message
15. The way he keeps fluffing McCain at every opportunity, you have to wonder
if that's where a few of the McCain dollars are going.

I'd love to know what Obama and Axelrod really think of his performance on the media circuit this week. So long as they're not surprised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:36 AM
Response to Original message
16. Is anyone keeping track of all Bill Clinton's glib attempts at sabotage?
He's just ... a SAD shell of the truly great statesman he used to be. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:39 AM
Response to Original message
17. BC is saying that on Today Show now and otherwise helping McCain. McCain
wanted more debates long before this happened. McCain DOES not want a moderator lining up the stupid things McCain did last week and asking McCain to explain himself.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Did I miss that part of the interview?
I thought I heard him say that the debate should continue because it's about showing confidence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #18
47. He said we know that McCain did not postpone the debate bc McCain is afraid of Obama because we know
that McCain wanted more debates. And, yes, if you did not hear that, you missed it. What he said about whether or not the debates should proceed is not the point of this thread.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. Why shouldn't what he said about the debates proceeding not be a part of this thread?
I thought this thread was about what Bill Clinton said about the debates. Why isn't everything he said allowed in this discussion and who gave you that right to decide?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #50
61. Because that would weaken
the whole "Bill HATES Obama" meme, silly!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #61
80. I'm starting to figure that out.
Oh well, I guess I'll just bow out and let them waste their time on this counterproductive exercise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dee15644 Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:41 AM
Response to Original message
19. Keep him away!
I couldn't believe his response! Well I can, but he isn't even helping his reputation with democrats at all. Maybe he is suffering from dementia as he gets older, just like McCain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
21. I know we have die hard Clinton supporters here
and we have those who could live without Bill. My take is that he doesn't campaign for anyone except Hillary. If you remember in 2004 before he got sick there was little passion out of him for Kerry and now he's got even less for Obama. He just needs to go back to his friends in Colorado and enjoy his life. He's got nothing for Barack, and he can't force himself to give anything for the democratic cause. He really does like McCain though doesn't he.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
22. Bill Clinton has been pissing me off. Not only is he helping McCain, he brought Democrats into his
1999 signing of that bill. If I recall, it was a Republican led bill.

I have said it before and will again...Bill Clinton is the best Republican President we've ever had....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:44 AM
Response to Original message
23. There's no saving BC from this one, not that I was EVER saving him. He needs to go. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:44 AM
Response to Original message
24. I've always been neutral about the Clintons...
my main thoughts being on how a certain segment of the population ADORES them and another DESPISES them.

After watching several of them, I definitely think he's subtly (?) dissing Obama in these appearances; certainly pumping up McCain if nothing else.

To what end, I wonder? For the people who HATE him (hardcore right-wingers), maybe it will prevent them voting for McCain...they don't like the guy anyway. Anything/anyone Clinton DOES like repulses them.

Maybe it will keep some of the right-wingers home. I don't necessarily think that's BC's intention, but it may be a result.



:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. Psychologically - when a person you previously admired changes course and disappoints you,
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:51 AM by ShortnFiery
the RESENTMENT is "as great" or "greater" than that of people who never cared for "that person" to begin with.

In other words, there is a consensus of social psychological studies suggesting that you will DISLIKE people who you once adore *even more* than those who were turned off on their persona from the onset.

I find the above findings <channeling Spock> "fascinating" and reflected in my life experience.

That's why I must admit a slight character flaw ... the "Clinton haters" are not exclusive to the right wing.

Yes, I know that it's immature and illogical, but I'm hurt and feel politically betrayed. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #29
37. I can understand that....and certainly see that here at DU.
My neutrality saves me from the drama so many are experiencing.

HOWEVER, I understand some of this because I was an Edwards fan. 'Nuf said. The disappointment does become bitter resentment because we feel "played." Well, I do, at least.

It's easy to say "stay focused" and just interact about Obama and stay away from the Clinton topic, but this is a messageboard, after all, and it's a natural place to vent about such frustrations.

All I can say is, good luck. I mean that sincerely.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #37
44. Thanks much.
Part of improving is knowing your own flaws.

I guess that's why I admire Obama (and my husband's temperament) so much - they are very steady and slow to anger.

However, we can not change our basic temperament and as long as we don't overtly hurt others, we can do well in society.

John McCain is an "ok" person but IMO, it's TRUE, he has a too fiery :blush: temperament to be our president.

It would be so beautiful if Bill Clinton could set his ambitions aside and fully join forces with Obama. What heights we could reach if those two were buddies? Won't happen. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
86. One thing that is an absolute certainty, is that every politician
will disappoint you GREATLY, at some point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #24
48. To what end? McCain in 208 means a chance for Hillary in 2012. PUMA!
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 07:21 AM by No Elephants
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:45 AM
Response to Original message
25. he knows what he is doing. we know what he is doing. people on du will say, leave bill allllooone
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:45 AM by seabeyond
this isnt the only election he has done this. one reason i didnt support clinton. just one reason. too self interested. i am going ot have to agree with the poster that says it is jealousy. doesnt want anther dem to outshine him. he isnt all that. i only voted for him second time cause of what repugs were doing, not cause i respected or liked him
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:45 AM
Response to Original message
26. What "Jewish Holidays" was he talking about on Larry King,He said he would campaign for Obama after
The Jewish Holidays, WTF message is he trying to send.

This is a man that knows exactly what his words are and mean.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. He seems to always have some reason to delay campaigning for Obama. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #28
49. "Delay?" LOL. He'll "delay" until Wednesday. November 5.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. What? Didn't you know that Bill is a devout Jew. How can he possibly
campaing during Jewish holidays?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. Heres the link at CNN, thats why I said, what Jewish Holidays is he talking about
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. I think he;s referring to Rosh Hashanah which begins Sept 29th this year
so why can't devout little bill campaign for Obama before then? What a disingenuous little creep.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
94. Yom Kippur is 10 days after that
So there's 10 days in between the two holidays and about 3 weeks left afterwards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #26
43. It depends on what the meaning of "Jewish" is. Heh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:57 AM
Response to Original message
32. He needs to be called out for what he is doing
enough
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. He's a former President and no one will cross him. But sadly, he's trashing his own legacy
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 07:03 AM by ShortnFiery
with pettiness and jealousy.

Bill Clinton's admittedly super-high IQ (165) is not reflected in any "emotional intelligence" criterion. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
57. What legacy?
If Clinton's presidency has any lasting legacy, it is in the economic effects of globalisation and deregulation. He will go down in history as a mediocre president at best, and as Calvin Coolidge to Bush the Lesser's Herbert Hoover at worst. Charisma alone donesn't make for a lasting legacy if it has no solid and lasting accomplishments behind it. If JFK hadn't had the vision to say 'we can put a man on the moon by the end of this decade', the steel to stand up to Khruschev during the Cuban missile crisis, or the willingness to work toward what would, under LBJ, become the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he'd be remembered as a forgettable president. What makes a great leader is facing great challenges and meeting them with fortitude; Clinton faced no challenges comparable to those faced by Lincoln, or FDR, or JFK, and gave what the fullness of time has shown to be the wrong answer to those he DID face (which, primarily, were questions regarding the future direction of the American economy and the role of the government in directing it; on the former, the exporting of industry, and the shift to a service economy model, has been less than ideal, and on the latter, well...we see the results of deregulation and lessening of government oversight in the current financial crisis).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #57
95. Sandwiched between
two bushes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #32
51. By whom? And to what end?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:59 AM
Response to Original message
33. No doubt, the Clinton Enablers will call us all haters!
Nothing will convince them. They are just like Bush supporters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:01 AM
Response to Original message
36. Bill Clinton is a black hole that runs on egotism.
I am so sick of tired, old act.

Don't go away mad, Bill. Just go away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:02 AM
Response to Original message
38. Oops
I thought this thread would be worth while, my bad...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:04 AM
Response to Original message
40. Um, McCain wanted town halls, not debates

I have zero respect for Bill Clinton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:04 AM
Response to Original message
41. I've had to radically revise my opinion of Nader. It looks like Bill is next for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greg K Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:05 AM
Response to Original message
42. So sick of Clinton.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 07:06 AM by Greg K
Hey Bill, if Obama loses in November, I'm not voting for Hillary in 2012! Got it?

No way, no how, no Hill!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. Exactly Clintons need to understand
no way will people return to him/them in 2012 if this thing looks like the hackjob its looking right now. There's a reason Obama and Biden are on the ticket in the first place. We didn't want bush-clinton-bush-clinton, same old same old revisited. America is not about the clintons. We're moving forward not back. Even if Obama were to lose, I'd want somebody fresh in 2012 not the clintons over and over again!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:13 AM
Response to Original message
46. You're right, Bill is having a huge Jealousy problem!
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 07:22 AM by Liberalynn
This is coming from someone who has always admired Bill's Presidency and intelligence in the past.

When Bill made some gaffes in Hillary's campaign, I was willing to write them as off as missteps. I couldn't understand why he wouldn't want her to be President.

Now she's out and it sure sounds like he is trying to hurt rather than help the Obama campaign as well. In my opinion, its not because he's upset that Hillary lossed, its because its not about him anymore. It seems now that he didn't want Hillary's legend to eclipse his own, and he doesn't want Obama's record to overshadow him either.

I see this side of him clearly, though I was perhaps guilty of denying it in the past. I sensed it was there, just didn't want to admit it.

I think the best course would be for Bill to stay off the news circut and seek medical attention because he looks terrible. I guess holding on to the bitterness can't be good.

He also needs to follow Hillary's example and be gracious enough to let go. He will only hurt her if he keeps this up, and he owes her, Obama and the party enough to just stop talking to the press all together until after the election.

So no defense of Bill from me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladyVet Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:29 AM
Response to Original message
52. I never thought I'd say this......
But Bill Clinton needs to shut the fuck up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:34 AM
Response to Original message
56. WTF, Bill? BTW, How are the Bill Clinton apologists spinning this one? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:49 AM
Response to Original message
58. He's the only one...
who doesn't see this as a political ploy. What's his stake in this..what's the pay off for pimping for McCain?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:53 AM
Response to Original message
59. I wonder if Bill will help McSame pony up the 8 million dollar
loss that the Debate Committee will incur. The debates cost money. I'd be suing McSame's ass for $8 mil if he cancels - it would be breach of contract.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CampLo Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:56 AM
Response to Original message
60. So I'm guessing everyone here
missed his interview on The Daily Show where he said it's best not to ostracize and patronize our opponent because that would push the moderates/independents/undecided voters away from our party? Bill is smart and he is right. What McCain did was an obvious political ploy, but scared? I doubt it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. No...we don't listen to those parts.
See...how could we continue with our Clinton hatefest if we listened to THAT kind of thing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. how much praising of the GOP from Bill will you tolerate before you... oh wait.
nothing the Sweet Little Baby Jesus(tm) ever does would offend you...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #67
81. LOL!
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #60
66. Agreed!
McCain is going to lose because the Dems have the high ground.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #60
68. My theory:
McCain is attempting to lower expectations of his own upcoming debate performance(s), and Clinton is attempting to counteract McCain's maneuverings.

But no.. let's continue on the hatefest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #60
83. Bill is telling undecided voters that it was an act of principle.
Screw Bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:45 AM
Response to Original message
71. I can't wait to see his damn face WHEN Obama wins, I think you mean.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:47 AM
Response to Original message
72. We democrats have a tendency to do it with presidents
Carter was not fond of Clinton, Clinton appears to hate Obama with the heat of 1,000 suns.

I'm hoping Obama will break the mold.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:50 AM
Response to Original message
74. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
75. there he goes, proving it once again..
clintons are traitors to thier party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:54 AM
Response to Original message
76. Maybe DU has a new ally with talent on loan from God?
Rush Limbaugh posting on DU?

As many of the responses appear to be very succinct paraphrases of what he's said many, many times in the past on his show.

Maybe DU has a new ally with talent on loan from God?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
77. Clinton is Khan!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:05 AM
Response to Original message
78. How dare he speak the truth!!! OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!
Waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #78
84. uh, the thing is tho, its not true
mccain wanted town halls, which ARENT debates.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:09 AM
Response to Original message
79. So Obama beats Hillary and him by default and he's sore but Gingrich beats him
and he heeps praise upon him? You got one stupid guy running for president in McCain and you got another stupid former president in Clinton. They seem like their both in line for worst person in the world. Can you shut Bill up?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
89. It's called RAISING EXPECTATIONS, Bill Clinton is helping Obama
The idea is to make everyone think your opponent has the advantage going into the debate so that you meet and hopefully exceed expectations.

Part of McCain's stunt may be to lower his own expectations. Although it's certainly going to an extreme to do so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Oh, another one using that silly
argument called LOGIC! What is UP with that? How could anyone possibly get any good hate-fests going if they've gotta use LOGIC?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. Dammit! Stop hogging the bong, will ya?!?
In other words, *buying into* your logic above would require me to alter my consciousness significantly ... I don't think it's possible. ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. Managing expectations is just as important as actually doing well in the debate
Bush won in 2000 the debates because people considered anything better than tripping over his own shoelaces on stage to be a good performance for him.

The last thing Obama wants is to walk into the debates with the public expecting McCain to do very poorly. Because even if it's a draw that's still a McCain win with the expectations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. Stop propping up this bullshit.
This has nothing to do with raising expectations. He's not saying McCain is a great debater, he's saying McCain wouldn't weasel out of a debate, how can you not see this? Stop defending his slime. This isn't him raising expectations, it's him once again defending John Fucking McCain. He has spent every second since the convention defending McCain. From him being a maverick, to his choice of Palin and now to basically saying McCain was right in calling off the goddamn debates.

I can't believe you can't see this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. I admit after seeing the full comment I'm starting to change my mind
If it's just the comments that the OP made then I think it's managing expectations. But now I'm reading that he thinks it's okay to re-schedule the debate. That's a different story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. dupe
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:03 PM by Drunken Irishman
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. My problem with Clinton...
Is not just this comment, but the fact he's been praising McCain ever since the convention, while rarely saying anything good about Obama. It's not that he disses Obama, he just ignores him. He'll talk about how Palin was a good choice for McCain and how she connects with Americans and is tough, but doesn't say anything about Biden. He'll talk about McCain being a maverick and having good intentions and is a candidate ready to lead, but can't muster the words to say Obama would make a better president.

It just gets old.

And sorry if I came off as a little strong, I'm just really angry at Bill right now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dee15644 Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
92. Mike Malloy
just said he believes that Bill Clinton is "damming Obama with faint praise).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:35 PM
Response to Original message
97. SCREW the Clintons, and anyone who says
the Clintons want Obama to win is delusional.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:39 PM
Response to Original message
99. Isn't it sweet how Bill Clinton helps out McBombBomb so often?
Awwww. Guess he just supports their motto, Country Club First !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:50 PM
Response to Original message
102. he's been running around with papa Bush and praising repubs since he left office
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
105. I approve this message..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
107. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug 21st 2014, 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC