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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:52 PM
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Why McCain Bailed: 3 stories, 5 rallies and 12 states
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:01 PM by grantcart

McCain campaign chose to have a bad day rather than a disaster

McCain 'suspended his campaign because of 3 bad stories, 5 Obama/Biden rallies and 12 competitive states




Today the McCain campaign was facing 3 disastorous campaign ending stories;


1) Davis and campaign tied to Fanny Mae taking $ 15,000 a month up to just a few days ago. The campaign was so terrified of this story that they started the day with a 2 page attack on the New York Times about it.

2) Palin Troopergate. Under all of the hubbub today the campaign quietly announced that they were going to refuse to answer anymore questions about Troopergate.

3) Palin on the $ 26 million road. This story is having even better legs than the 'bridge to no where'. My Republican neighbor just brought up that even if your really against the bridge why would you build the road? The road proves that she is a liar. Moreover it is the first day of the Stevens trial and all of the stories that he and Alaska are the number one 'earmarkers' in the country and Palin supported them.

Talk about a 'Head Fake' - Obama campaign says that they weren't going to have rallies and then has one an hour.

A few days ago DU was in a hissyfit about Obama taking the week off preparing for the debate. That head fake was better than Michael Jordon's best. Not having any rallies for the Obama campaign means that you and your running mate each have one or two and then your spouse comes in for a couple.

Today McCain didn't 'suspend' his campaign - he didn't have any. He had meetings set up with Palin for photo ops and then got the can on that when Bono made it into a telephone call. There is no campaign to suspend - they aren't doing anything. They thought that they could take the week off and Obama went ahead with a full schedule. If your not going to do anything you might as well make it a matter of principle.

TV Commercials - The McCain campaign was looking for any excuse to stop the TV commercials.

Whatever your reason for not having rallies there is no reason not to advertise - unless your running out of money.

Here again Obama campaign has made a major strategic move. They have concentrated their media buys in red states like IA/NV/FL/VA/IN and brought them close. I believe that the McCain campaign was preparing for a 5-6 state campaign where they would be outspent but still felt that they could compete. Now however Obama has made it into 12 competitive states and the McCain campaign does not have the resources to buy media in all of these states. Also spending now is not considered as effective as the last two weeks in October (although early voting is changing that somewhat).

Rather than announce that you can't compete in 12 states better to find a lame issue of principle and keep your money and hope that in the next two weeks the number of states that are actually going to be determinative is reduced to 6-7. Unfortunately some red states like Iowa and New Mexico have moved too far out to be considered worth any investment.


Did McCain have a bad day. Of course but they avoided having an absolute disaster. They avoided wasting money on ad buys they are unsure of, they weren't having any rallies anyway, and nobody is talking about the corruption and conflict of interest stories that would have been major stories on any other day.


ON Edit: I should have added that I don't think that McCain is going to miss the debate, that is a faux move. There will be an agreement or atleast an agreement in principle, McCain takes credit for that and shows up for the debate 'unprepared' and has an excuse for his lousy performance.


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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:55 PM
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1. Rated: "MUST READ", nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 PM
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3. thanks
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:21 AM
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89. I think he did it to divert attention away from Rick Davis
Otherwise he might have had to fire him.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 PM
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2. Palin and her witch doctor. As for the lack of money,
that makes perfect sense to me.

But to cancel the debate? These people are boneheads; they're getting more negative attention as a result.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:59 PM
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6. Actually my comments were aimed solely at the 'campaign suspension'

I think that by Friday they will announce that they have an agreement in principle and McCain will go to the debate but have an excuse for his poor performance - wasn't really ready = thinking about the crises.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:37 PM
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49. well, I don't care what excuse they use--to the average guy, he
looks like he's chicken! Not showing up at a debate--cowardly!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:48 PM
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126. Plus, Biden gave that speech on foreign policy yesterday..
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 PM
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4. Completely agree. I do wonder about the ads. Maddow says they had some super negative ones starting
I wonder if they realized that was going to sink McCain further because people already think his campaign is the nasty one.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:01 PM
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8. If the ads were attacking Obama on non-important
shit like they have been doing and not on the economy...well yea...McCain has spent all that money and now he is screwn!!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:29 PM
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37. That makes sense. That's probably the #1 reason for "suspending" the campaign.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:30 AM
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102. Screwn?
An excellent neologism. Screw, screwed, screwn. I likes it.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:44 AM
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107. That Came from a Post on Free Republic
the night the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006. One horrified freeper simply posted:

"WE ARE SCREWN!"
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:55 AM
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113. "screwn" is a DU saying adopted from "Freeper-speak" - see also "Moran",
"This is HUGH!!1!!1", "SERIES", etc -- the DU Glossary has 'em all, and many more - an excellent resource: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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VAliberal Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:58 PM
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5. excellent analysis
thanks
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:10 PM
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33. thks and welcome to DU
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:43 PM
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130. i'll second that
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:00 PM
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7. The running out of money thing was the first thought I had!
There's no way a candidate would ever stop running ads EXCEPT lack of MONEY! I sure don't want the McNuts to win, so I'm very happy to see all these screwups, but I really am questioning the capabilities of the people running his campaign. They're all NUTS!
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:18 AM
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74. The no ads thing sent alarm bells off in my head too.
They're saving their money for later in the campaign. They are hoping for better times ahead. It's like an NFL timeout.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:46 AM
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109. Did you see the Daily Show last night?
Jon Stewart equated it to taking a time out in the last 2 minutes of the game because you know you can't win...
:rofl:

I hope these moves aid in tanking his campaign further... otherwise, we are all screwn!
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:43 AM
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106. The money thang
I, too, was wondering if McCain bailing out on the campaign to "work" on the financial bailout was an attempt to financially bail out his campaign.

He went with the federal funding, what is it, $84 million, that has to last him until the election. Obama opted out of that and can raise as much as the donors can bear. Possibly, McCain's campaign crunched the numbers and saw they may run out if they don't find a way to conserve their cash. How appropriate for conservatives. Obama should in theory be able to liberally spend McCain into the ground. (Couldn't resist. I tried.)

If McCain is already having money trouble, what will late October be like? Why, the media might accuse him of financial mismanagement. Again.

The real tipoff to money trouble will be letting staff go. Watch for that in the coming weeks.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:21 PM
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123. I personally think some of their
recent incompetence is hubris on their part. They really didn't expect it to be that competitive of a campaign and they were used to getting away with lying, deception and doing-whatever-they-want in a campaign with winning results (or fixed results) and little consequences. I think they've been genuinely surprised at the strength and competence of the Dem campaign and it's got them rattled and flummoxed.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:30 PM
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124. I personally think some of their
recent incompetence is hubris on their part. They really didn't expect it to be that competitive of a campaign and they were used to getting away with lying, deception and doing-whatever-they-want in a campaign with winning results (or fixed results) and little consequences. I think they've been genuinely surprised at the strength and competence of the Dem campaign and it's got them rattled and flummoxed.

Also, I don't think they expected the kind of blistering criticism that the campaign is getting from all sides, even from supporters, and that's got them rattled as well. Right now, it's kinda like a "deer in the headlights" campaign.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:01 PM
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9. This campaign tailspin is mind blowing. It's almost as if McLame WANTS to lose. n/t
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:33 PM
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39. He's a very spiteful, reckless person
If he sees it heading down, he is more likely to do crazy shit. He is a hothead, and I don't see any evidence of any strong leadership in his campaign management. I'd say there is nobody who could sit him down and say, "John, don't go there. You will just make matters worse."

I think we all know the kind of explosion that would erupt in that case.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:39 PM
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51. that's exactly it. nobody can tell him anything, he's that stubborn. nt
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:02 PM
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10. There are oh so many possible reasons for McCain's strategery, but Maddow offered that the ad pull
was because their recent batch of ads are all Rezko, ayers, Wright stuff that will possibly cause a backlash at this point.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:07 PM
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14. Ain't that too
bad.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:05 PM
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11. Interesting reading, grant..thank you.
I guess mcchicken thought Letterman would be too tough on him anyway so decided the ire of David Letterman would be worth it to keep up the whole charade?
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:06 PM
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12. You forgot to mention the Enquirer "Palin Lovergate" story....
that all those edumacated rednecks love to read while standing in line at Walmart!

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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:37 PM
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50. "redneck"
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 11:38 PM by spag68
The fact that I see the use of the word redneck here is discouraging. I suppose it was your attempt at humor,however it seems to me that if we are claiming to be progressives, then we should think these things through. While those that you consider rednecks may not be collage educated, that is no reason to make fun of them. IMHO we must expand our thinking in this new century to include the worth of every man and women. Some day the use of these terms to describe people will look like you are the uneducated one. This place is very special to me, and your opinion is valued here as is mine, but hopefully I have helped you to look at the importance of words, and as much as I despise Wal-Mart that may be all they can afford, it's not their fault. Many educated ad men in both party's have for years divided us and it's time to end it. Sure the rethugs have been the worst,but if we stoop to their level, we chance not climbing out. As for the things happening to their campaign, I've always believed that if they got enough rope they would do themselves in. Let's not follow them into that trap. Work hard, vote, tell it like it is, a new day may be here.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:27 AM
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70. Dear Spag, the Rednecks Go to College---Bible College!
Where they have their minds further untouched by reality.

There is nothing about redneck that is overtly offensive any more than there is about Pollack, to which group I belong. It's how and why the grouping is made that gives the offense.
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #70
82. Friend / co-worker born & raised in GA
and proudly calls herself a redneck. And she's volunteering with me on the Obama campaign.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:45 AM
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108. You mean
Bible colleges, like University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Rice University, and University of Houston? Hell, even Southern Methodist places very little emphasis on religion- the Cox School of Business, Dedman College of Humanities and Science, Dedman School of Law, and Meadows School of Law far outweigh the school of theology.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #108
114. No, Bible Colleges like Robertson's college.
The Texas schools, even Pepperdine out here in California are respectable, serious schools. You have not even heard of the kinds of Bible Colleges that pass for educational institutions. And by the way, serious theological seminaries are not "Bible Colleges." There are many, many very good theological seminaries of various denominations.

Bible Colleges are a waste of time.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #114
118. I think you misunderstand
what I was saying. The poster I responded to said rednecks go to bible colleges. As Texas is considered a redneck state, I was sarcastically bringing up a number of Texas colleges- some of which are some of the finest in the country, to show that is not entirely about the bible here. The point I was trying to make that even a redneck state like this can provide quality higher education (although texas sucks at K-12)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #118
138. I don't think of Texas as a red neck state. My bad.
I think of Georgia and Alabama as red neck. I think the term red neck refers to the color of the soil and how the neck looks if the red clay in Georgia and Alabama causes the farmers' necks to get red from the dust.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #108
134. I Mean Like Regents Law
and all the little space-occupiers in the suburbs of Michigan. Oh, and Monaghan's pet project.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:50 AM
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97. totally agree with you eom
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:51 AM
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111. Redneck?
I have a dream that one day we will be judged not by the color of our necks, but by how much Oprah loves us. In this historic election, let us dream that that dream may be fulfilled.

(I sincerely apologize to the Rev. Dr. for this doctored irreverance.)
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #111
117. LOL! good one!
:rofl:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #111
120. "...not be judged by the color of our necks..."!
:rofl:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #111
140. lol
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:20 PM
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128. I hear ya, Spag, ...........because when I hear the word ...................
'redneck,' I immediately think, 'racist.' BTW, why do you despise wal-mart? Just curious. I like Target, myself.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:41 PM
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135. sp ag68 and all others whom responded to my reply........
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 05:03 PM by Rebellious Republica
My reply was in response to the pregnant daughters babies father, who affectionately calls himself a "FUCKING redneck". To me that is a derogatory use of the term. In response to others, yes I hate Wilmart for the way that they have abused their employees, and no I am anything but a racist, I live in very tight mixed neighborhood that looks after everyone else, why would I be supporting Barrack Obama devoutly.
I am a what most would call your stereo typical "Redneck". I am a southern white, F150 pick up truck driven, decorated veteran, living in Florida, middle aged, male. Most of my in laws up north of the Mason/Dixon line make fun of my southern drawl, in a lovable sense. Yes I do have an education, my current job of fifteen years, puts me in harms way when I am defending property, livestock, homes, businesses and lives against a 4000 degree wall of flame as a Florida Wildland Firefighter. Yes I used the "R" word, I figure that I have earned that right. I have great respect for where the term is derived from. If you care to edumacate yourselves, here is the Wikipedia history of the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck,

Personally being brought in the hill country of Kentucky, I subscribe to the coal miner version. However thank you for your concern.























Wildland Firefighters Foundation

From the Flames of Hell, to the Gates of Glory. Going Home.
http://www.wffoundation.org /
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:06 PM
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13. I like your logic.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:18 PM
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15. Good stuff Grantcart.
I didn't know Bono changed it to a phone call. Interesting.

He may have an excuse for a bad performance in the debates,(I suspected this excuse also) but foreign policy is supposedly his strength :eyes: so he should know this stuff better than Obama. Any excuse he uses for a poor performance will emphasize his inability to handle varying issues at once. Not good.

Based on the comments that had started to creep up on various blogs, I do think McCain was aiming to focus on Wright. He'll have table that for a while.

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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:39 AM
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83. With the witch doctor tape surfacing maybe
they figured that Wright looked mainstream and the Palin minister looked totally wacked out. So maybe they had to cancel their Wright ads and get some new ones ready.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:20 PM
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16. He also gave himself an excuse when he loses the election
they'll say, he gave up his chance of being President to save the country.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:42 PM
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53. This would appeal to his ego-mania. Narcissists always need some kind of cover. nt
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liberAL31 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:05 AM
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86. McCain Loses
If McCain loses I will be happy to say he gave up his chance to save the country.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:32 AM
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91. The dedication! The sacrifice!
And he'll have done it for us

*sniffle*



Well, if he can't be President, maybe he'll claim he's the new Jesus




John McJesus...yeah...it has a nice ring to it....

:+
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. John McChrist. Ugh.
Even as an unbeliever, that makes me wince.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:23 PM
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17. I'll take "Republican Drama Queens" for $700 billion, Alex
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:43 PM
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54. reminds me of something from 2007
Remember when the Repubs had some kind of confab and were all voting on their faves, and before McCain's vote could be tallied and announced (and it was really low, like 15%) he gets up and says, "I think all of my votes should go to our president!" Remember that? It was to save face, of course.

I hope I'm remembering it right.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:27 PM
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18. McCain suspended his campaign?
This is news to me. Do you have a link?
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 PM
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19. Where I disagree
I respectfully think you have it backwards. I think that today was the campaign ending disaster. It did the one thing that none of those stories could possible do. it made McCain look un-presidential and afraid. He looked no better than the kid who wakes up with a cough and claims he is too sick to go to school because he has a tough test for which he is not prepared. People can debate the Road to Nowhere, etc. And while what you have listed seems obvious to us, it takes days, and sometimes weeks, for those stories to get traction. this story got immediate and HUGE traction. It said "McCain is clueless and Palin is worse." Mccain can't walk and chew gum and Palin on Couric was a disaster. 90% of the people want the debate to go one. Everyone is saying it's a political stunt. The only people screaming McCain's praises are a handful of Freepers. And finally, add to it all that Obama looked even MORE presidential. He was caught by surprise, but he handled it well.


Those who read and follow politics get it. But the group that was so tough to move were those that only respond viscerally. And, viscerally, this was a "Wow. McCain isn't a President . . . moment"

While what you say is what they may have planned, the result is a political disaster of epic proportions.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:36 PM
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24. Great point. I think the O.P may have nailed it in terms of their intentions.
But they misjudged the outcome.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:45 PM
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55. Again. n/t
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #19
96. Grampy was running around like a McChicken with its head cut off
while Obama was calm, collected, rational and supremely presidential at his press conference.

Take that together with the McChicken campaign's decision to give the media the same degree of access to Mooselini that they have to Kim Jong Il, trying to duck the debates (in which Grampy's handlers know that they will get burned to the waterline and sunk), Moosey's disastrous performance with Couric, and top it off by lying to David Letterman and in essence telling him to go fuck himself, resulting in scorched earth response from DL, and this was a catastrophic day for the Repukes.

This was a Wile E. Coyote performance of epic proportions. The McChicken campaign was standing there cackling "Wile E. Coyote, super-genius! I like the sound of that!", while filling the carrots with nitro and blissfully unaware that Bugs Obama had dragged their workshop onto the railroad tracks just in time for the 5:15.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:30 PM
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20. The ad buy part is right on the money. Literally
Those are already in the can, nothing about advertising or not advertising would keep McCain from "saving the day" in Washington. A stupid idea from the bean counters on his staff to try and save face about saving cash.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:30 PM
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21. McShame's impulsiveness is killing his campaign
Prepare to see his inner circle fall apart and "tell all." Guys like McCain make enemies in times like these. I wish I could be a fly on the wall on their strategy sessions. McCain is shitting bricks and throwing tantrums. Schmidt Shit is exasperated as the Obama campaign keeps outfoxing him every step of the way, and Palin is one bad media story after another. My prediction is that a lot of heads will roll.
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:34 PM
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22. Yep, that's their plan.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:34 PM
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23. Damn, you nailed it.
Including that last line about how he shows up "unprepared." I didn't think about that but that will be the spin for sure. :mad:
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:10 AM
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87. How does McCain show up and claim to be "unprepared" when he is supposedly the "expert"?
His supposed claim to fame is his "vast" experience in international relations and war and terrorism and all that scary stuff, so shouldn't he required much less preparation than the supposedly "inexperienced" and "unqualified" Obama?

It's hilarious.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:37 PM
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25. Maybe McCain finally realized...
what a disaster a Sarah Palin presidency would be, and being the good American he is, realized that blowing the campaign was the right thing to do. Now his job is to lose it despite the best efforts of all the lobbyist working for him who will give it their best shot even though he disapproves. :sarcasm:
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:48 PM
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26. Just got back from Michelle Obama in...
South West Philly.

The McCain "Hail Mary" started to peculate just after Pattie LaBelle arrived. And some of the good zingers "...a president who can remember the nuclear launch codes" and "...a president who can multi-task. Not just deal with China today and Russia tomorrow, and the economy the next. He's got to deal with all of them at the same time."

Hot licks brought to you by Philadelphia Mayor Micheal Nutter.

Pics and more to come.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:03 AM
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115. Peculate or percolate?
You said "peculate." Did you mean "percolate?" Peculate is a legal word in Scrabble (tm). It means "to embezzle." Oh, maybe that does apply to the McCain/financial market meltdown mess somehow.
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dudewheresmycountry Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:49 PM
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27. BAD OR GOOD, I SEE IT AS
very good for Obama, we get to see McCain and Bush standing side by side once again.. but this time with Obama there as well......the people will get to look at a clear choice with them all together.....I just love this......
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:58 PM
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28. Thanks for laying this all out...
Very nicely done :)




K&R
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:02 PM
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29. Don't forget Palin on Couric. She made an even bigger fool of herself than
in the "in what respect, Charlie" interview.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:05 PM
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30. It's possible, but it was also damned risky.
McCain looks completely unstable now, a point that Letterman will apparently hammer home tonight. I frankly doubt whether Davis could have done the damage that McCain has now done to himself. He can fire Davis for not disclosing his ties, after all. He can't *disappear* his own bizarre behavior that way.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:06 PM
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31. kicked and must read. I like K&R bettah, but I suck, so......
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:37 PM
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41. Agreed, 'Kick and Must' sounds like moose mating time in the wilds of Alaska.
And 'K&M' sounds like some kind of self-loathing Republican perversion.


K&R-- the classic and still the best! ;)
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:07 PM
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32. You Forgot One Reason: 'Cause He's a Loser!
n/t
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:12 PM
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34. Can't wait for the McCain campaign threw McCain under the bus?
:rofl:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:16 PM
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35. Maybe it time for Huckaberry to get back in he suspended his campaign..
must be a new GOp'er thing.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:25 PM
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36. Hadn't considered that gambit - "unprepared for the debates"
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 10:26 PM by Old and In the Way
that makes perfect sense. I think McCain knows he'd be overmatched in the debate, even though Obama's surrogates were setting the bar low because 'everyone knows that McCain's strong suit is foreign policy'. I think that was a perfect framing. Obama would eat his lunch on a foreign policy debate and that would just about end McCVain's hopes for this election. I think your observation is spot on...McCain needs some excuse for why he'll get his ass kicked in this debate. He's now got a lame excuse.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:33 PM
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38. K&MR!
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:34 PM
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40. Your insight helps us see through this, thanks!
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 10:37 PM by phrigndumass
Thanks for connecting all the dots. This was an attempt to slam the brakes on the Obama campaign shooting to victory, nothing more, no heroic Mighty Mouse coming to save the day.

They're creative, I'll give them that.

ETA: I believe this was supposed to be the October Surprise, but they had to play this card early to stop Obama's rise. It's been several months coming. All they have left now (in the way of an October Surprise) is a military conflict or "Obama's a Muslim terrorist" ...
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:39 PM
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42. Did McCain pull his ads on 9/11....out of respect, at least...
hmmmm
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:45 PM
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43. McCain's Temper
is in sight. I believe that the mocking of McPain is going to bring about a change. Lets face it most people think that his move to suspend his campaign is a cowardice move. John can not stand the thought of people thinking he is a coward. He is going to loose his fury little mind as people call him out on his move to "suspend" his campaign. I am making the call that he will make a huge political gaffe right out of the gates. His temperament will be called into play. Just a thought
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:51 PM
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44. McCain just aired an ad in the Minneapolis market, but I suspect that it was
from a former ad buy.

Thanks for this astute observations. K&R
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:01 PM
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45. This makes far more sense
than any of the conspiracy theories about health issues/traps/etc.


I do have to ask, though. Do you really think that the Mccain camp is as hard up for money as that? They got their federal funding, they are still pulling in Compliance fund money, and they have the state/national party money to subsidize their advertising(I believe at 50%). Pulling back on it now to save for the last 2 weeks strikes me as a Guiliani move("you just wait until Florida, you'll see then").
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:18 PM
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46. I am not sure about how much control they have on their RNC money

Here McCain is running a campaign saying that he is going to lead reform against corrupt Republicans and the RNC is going to give him money to help. I think that they will run McCain ads in states where they have close Senate campaigns, states like Mississippi, North Carolina and Oregon where the McCain campaign has no interest in buying ads but the RNC is worry of losing Senate seats.

In any case Obama has told them that he is going to spend $ 39 million in Florida. They have to decide to try and match him and keep Florida or let Forida go and put that money into Ohio and Indiana instead. I don't think that they have $ 20 million for Florida and Florida is now starting to go Obama.

Its like Grant vs Lee - Grant keeps spreading the battle lines wider and wider making Lees limited resources thinner and thinner.

I am sure that the would rather keep their money for a more concentrated attack.
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:21 PM
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47. Good analysis. I largely agree - however...
I don't think McCain planned on the resulting media backlash, though. I think he's underestimated just how many bridges his campaign has burned with their continued refusal to talk to the press, or at least overestimated his standing with them. I expect he really thought the media would champion him as a leader for putting country above politics, not call him out for a transparent political scheme. He was looking to save face and instead got a cheese-grater rubbed against his forehead.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:28 PM
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48. Nailed it!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:41 PM
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52. And Palin gone wild with Katie Courie. Disaster of a day alright.
:rofl:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:07 AM
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56. McLiar already flooded 10 states with mailers before "bailing"
September 23. 2008
Tenn. Democrat: why did GOP sent him Florida absentee ballot request?
Another puzzling McCain mailer. This time it seems really strange. The Florida Republican Party mailed an absentee ballot request (for a Sarasota Florida ballot) to a Democrat in Murfreesboro Tennessee. The form has one name, Mr. William R. X with the person having two addresses, one in Tennessee, and one in Sarasota Florida.
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/287-Te...

September 17, 2008
NC State Elections Office update on McCain Mailer Confusion
An email from the North Carolina State Board of Elections brings good news today regarding the McCain campaign/absentee ballot requests confusion.
http://ncvoters.blogspot.com/2008/09/nc-state-elections...

Wednesday, September 17. 2008
Update on Confusing Florida McCain Mailers
Still developing!
Here's an update on the report about mailers that are confusing voters in Florida. Sasha of the "Sound Off with Sasha" radio show interviewed journalist David Rosenfeld, of Miller-McCune about mass mailers the McCain campaign was sending to Florida Democrats. On top of being from the wrong party, the voters also happen to be "snow birds".
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/282-Up...

September 15. 2008 McCain's Absentee Ballot Mailer Fiasco Spreads - Could Disqualify Some Voters,
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/280-Mc...

September 14. 2008 McCain Confusing NC Republican Voters
The McCain campaign is flooding voters in many states with absentee ballot requests, in hopes of increasing his turnout. North Carolina is one
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/279-Mc...

September 12. 2008 Unsolicited Absentee Ballot Requests Surface in Virginia, Ohio, and Florida,
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/276-Un...

September 9. 2008 Florida Voter Caging Warning: McCain mailer w/absentee ballot requests
http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/index.php?/archives/267-Fl...
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:22 AM
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63. McCain team also was trying to figure in a potential "gotcha."
They hoped Senator Obama would outright resist, so that they could claim that Obama doesn't care about the economy and the country.

Obama easily outwitted this by stating that he believes a President should be able to handle simultaneous responsibilities.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:09 AM
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57. Excellent post, grantcart.
Very nice.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:58 AM
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61. tks
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:15 AM
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58. I agree with your premise, that McCain's "suspension" was to divert attention ...
... from other campaign-crushing stories.

And I'd add another, too... (4) Palin's miserable performance in her interview with Katie Couric.
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:35 AM
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59. Everybody is talking about it. My phone was ringing off the hook tonite, family, co-workers- Voters!
All of them are asking me questions about what I thought and reaching out like something I have never experienced ever before. Quite strange actually, but a damn good day. I seen Joe Biden speech at Union Terminal. Everything is bad over there in PalinMcBush world. All of it is happening now or has already happened. We know this. They lost the race already all by themselves.

I think they are suffering from what we might call overexertion. :P
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:49 AM
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60. The "unprepared for the debate" excuse will go over like a plane with McCain at the stick.
:rofl:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:45 AM
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84. Good one.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:05 AM
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62. Of course it was a head fake, an utterly deperate ploy, but
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 01:06 AM by ProSense
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:27 AM
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64. Dang, grantcart - ANOTHER great one!
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:45 AM by calimary
ALWAYS a banquet for thought. Food for thought damns it with faint praise!

:toast:

What I like the absolute most about all this - is the running drumbeat in the media - from the pundits to David Letterman - in which they're publicly and openly speculating it's about a slide in the polls - and in some cases they don't even word it that kindly.

The more this is spoken about, the more it becomes a truism. You know, like repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, to kind of catapult the propaganda. The more frequently this is mentioned - where everything is cast as a kind of downer (gaffes, sarah's MIA, he suspends his campaign, rick davis, nasty untrue ads, polls offer the selection "did he do it as a political stunt"?) - the more it starts to become a self-fulfilling prophesy. You could look at the straight-away Gallup daily tracking numbers and not get such an upbeat view of things for the Obama campaign (only up by a couple of points now), but everything else is what's getting the attention and sucking the oxygen out of the room, so THAT EVENTUALLY BECOMES THE WIDELY-ACCEPTED PERCEPTION. And once that hopefully catches hold, the more of a real done deal it becomes.

They're committing a fair amount of misfires at the moment, and the overall climate is not exactly wind at their back (economic ills). And the same candidate who's spent most of his political life sucking up to the media and trying to curry favor and get them on his side and favorably predisposed to give him the kid glove treatment and all the benefit of the doubt - is now alienating the media. They don't get their fun hang-out bus rides anymore, they don't get as much access to him anymore, what they mostly DO get are these middle-layer campaign putzes who are there for the sole reason of providing insulation for mcsame - AWAY from the media. And then again, there's the handling of sarah palin - keeping her cloistered away, "sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnalls porch since noon today!" That is pissing off the media because they have no access to her, and they're now openly complaining. They will be less motivated to lob her softballs as a result. Plus, while she's not proving to be the pitbull-in-lipstick that she loudly bragged about being (would such a creature hide out from the media like some wilting hot-house flower?) this shit keeps coming out about her campaign and her cronyism and her lies and misstatements - AND how she keeps bringing them up on the stump long after they've been publicly debunked!!! The press won't have much patience with that shit after just a little while.

They're just not playing this one smart. And their actions have provoked cynicism - that was NOT in the mixture before this. Nobody was cynical of john mcsame. He was a "war hero." A POW. Mr. Integrity. That maverick thing. Well, HE'S been caught in repeated lies and misrepresentations and cheap shots, and he's squandered a lot of his own political capital on what is now derided as the "lipstick on a pig" distraction. He's raised a whole lot of cynicism now - in which observers have learned to take what he says with a grain of salt and cue the truth-squadders. He doesn't have the currency he used to have in all kinds of ways.

Which can only be good news for Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:38 AM
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66. thanks
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:30 AM
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65. Spectacular thread, as always mr. grantcart
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:47 AM
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67. Add to his bad day Letterman skewering him for the entire show.
:rofl:

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:23 AM
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101. That was the icing on the cake..and then Craig Ferguson picked up where Dave left off.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:09 AM
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68. The new president takes office in JANUARY!!!

So no, neither of these two men will be the new boss within 40 days.
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:14 AM
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69. McCain Bailed because he is a loser. n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:03 AM
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71. I think McCain is truly afraid to debate Obama
He is looking for any excuse to avoid debating him to prevent looking like the total ass he is.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:04 AM
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72. Best excuse for his lousy performance??? THAT HE IS JOHN THE BUSH REPUBLICAN MCCAIN....nuff said!
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:16 AM
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73. The Fact They Wanted to Postpone the VP Debate Too
I think that is the real story. The McCain Campaign does not think Palin is ready for prime time. By trying to slot the presidential debate in the VP slot next week and postponing the VP debate the Repugs have a way to give her more time OR they set up just cancelling the VP debate altogether.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:23 AM
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116. Too bad if they cancel VP debate.
Was really looking forward to that. Intelligent, experienced longtime Senator vs. former Miss Wasilla. "Well, I don't understand half of what Sen. Biden said, but I'm for world peace! Except for Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Iran. And Pakistan. And Spain. And Canada. You know, you can see Canada from Alaska. So I'm an expert on Canada."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:28 AM
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75. excellent!
best insight i have read or heard about this past week or so....yup-your post is a "must read"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:37 AM
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76. Putting lipstick on a chicken now!
A lipless wonder!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:45 AM
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77. and a lame duck... no one was buying the pig.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:15 AM
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95. Obama should bring a rubber chicken to the debate
and toss it on the empty podium where McCain should be.

:evilgrin:
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:50 AM
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78. Thanks for laying this out so clearly
We need to keep hitting while he's spinning. These stunts are so tired and old.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:52 AM
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79. So, if they come to an agreement on this "bail out", does that mean that McCain
will be ready to debate on Friday or by then will there be another excuse? He simply does not want to look like the idiot that he is!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:17 AM
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80. Palin/Couric interview--that was Godawful nt
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:17 AM
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81. IMHO...
Let McCain 'go back to Washington' and give the public plenty of opportunity to tie him to the mess that he helped create. I think it was an idiotic decision. Now's the time to bring out all the huggy pics of * & McCain and proclaim that when those to get together to solve problems there's a lotta love - but you get more problems.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:02 AM
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85. Why McCain Bailed: He heard "BAIL-OUT" three times.
As any good military jet jock knows, you don't punch-out until you hear "BAIL-OUT! BAIL-OUT! BAIL-OUT!" or "EJECT! EJECT! EJECT!" McCain should know. He has more time logged under the silk than any pilot I know of (other than crazy Poppy Bu$h).

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:13 AM
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88. "Oh Magoo you've done it again"
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:30 AM
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90. kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicked and reccccccccccccccccccccc'd
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:47 AM
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92. K&MR!
Thanks! :thumbsup: :kick:
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:06 AM
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94. great synopsis of the situation, grantcart!
now you can keep track of how many of your writings get put on 'must read'- and I would guess that at least most of them will! This is crazy- you can't make this stuff up. And I'm thinking that stress is not good for anyone- sure hope that McCains health doesn't suffer from it. Seriously- I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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NightHawk63 Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:55 AM
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98. K'd and HIGHLY R'd n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:51 AM
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110. thanks
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:08 AM
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99. "Unprepared" for the DEBATE?! He's supposed to be PREPARED to be PRESIDENT NOW, FGS.
That excuse will NOT fly, my friend!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:41 AM
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105. most of their spin doesn't fly but they continue to use it

and some of it works - this time I doubt that it will.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:16 AM
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100. Superb analysis.
Makes one wonder why anyone would even consider voting for McSame/the barracuda. hmmmm Perhaps no one is...and those polls saying that people are considering it really are not all they are cracked up to be.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:36 AM
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103. Excellent! Laid out very clearly, Grantcart.
Thanks.

--IMM
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:02 PM
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119. thank you
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:38 AM
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104. Commercials showed here in SE Wisconsin this morning!?!? n/t
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:52 AM
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112. I think your edit comments are spot on nt
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:33 PM
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121. Your skills at analysis are breathtaking.
Definitely a must read paper! Thanks, grantcart! :applause:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:55 PM
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139. thanks
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:45 PM
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122. Very good analysis.
They had to do something to stop the free fall and change the dynamics. Unfortunately, it didn't come off as sincere concern for the crisis, but as a political decision.

I bet he wishes he'd kept that Letterman booking!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:35 PM
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125. You did exactly what Clinton said
not to do:

"I presume (McCain) did that in good faith since I know he wanted I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country, and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:39 PM
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129. And obviously Bill Clinton is not trying to persuade me


Obviously he is trying to persuade the roughly 1 in 5 Democrats that have not responded to partisan arguments and who, for whatever reason, are not yet voting for Obama.


Now how does attacking Bill Clinton help us get those recalcitrant Democrats in Ohio and Pennsylvania that polls, even today, show are still there?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:25 PM
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132. What's he persuading them to do
look seriously at McCain as a viable candidate?

There you go again with "attacking" and PA.


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:49 PM
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127. Well done.
Sound reasoning. I give it a "10". :toast:

Julie
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:21 PM
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131. K&R! McCain has built a career on his courage and honor and look at him now.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:27 PM
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133. McCain's been a Senator for 26 years
All they do is write, debate and pass legislation. How can he not be ready for this debate?

The answer is that he's 72, and not a particularly healthy 72. He's not nearly as good on his toes as he was as recently as 2000. No one is allowed to say this, but that does not make it true.

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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:01 PM
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136. I think it was Joe!
He watched Joe yesterday morning, promptly shit his pants and made the calls to suspend the campaign and cancel the debate. Maybe a campaign staff member clued him into what he was up against. But, you can't deny this broke right after Joe's fforeign policy speech aired on CNN, within a few minutes of it. Joe took him out and he wasn't even trying to! That's my personal speculation.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:08 PM
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137. Just a little kick for all the kind words to my redneck reply.
:kick:


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