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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:11 PM
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"McCain Stumbles" - Palin pick and McCain negative/lying attacks are backfiring
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McCain Stumbles

John McCain’s candidacy has lost its convention bounce. But it's worse than that. If you look at current polls, McCain looks like he is in serious trouble in states like Virginia and Colorado that he really needs to win in November. If Barack Obama wins Virginia and New Mexico, where he is pretty safely ahead, he need only reproduce John Kerry’s numbers in the other states to be victorious.

Let’s look at two states where Obama was behind, but is now inching ahead. In Virginia, Obama has picked up votes, it appears, primarily from women and college-educated voters. In the Survey USA poll, Obama went from leading among women by six percent before the Republican convention to leading by 16 percent in the poll taken from Sept. 19 through Sept. 21. In a poll taken right after the Republican convention, Obama and McCain were tied among college graduates. In the current poll, Obama is ahead by 54 to 43 percent. Many of these voters are concentrated in Northeast Virginia suburbs of Washington DC, where Obama's margin has grown from 16 to 21 percent.

In Colorado, he has picked up votes from Independents, Democrats, and upscale voters. In Aug. 15-21, before the conventions, Quinnipiac found McCain ahead by 46 to 44 percent among independents. In their current poll, conducted Sept. 14-21, Obama is now ahead by a whopping 51 to 40 percent. Obama’s support among Democrats has increased from 86 to 91 percent It also increased in the more cosmopolitan, upscale, better educated Denver/Boulder area from 56 to 64 percent. That suggests that the Independents he is attracting are the Democratic-leaning ones from this area rather than the libertarians from the less populated parts of the state.

Clearly, the financial crisis is a factor. But I’d point to two other telltale signs.The first is that McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin to be his vice-president is beginning to backfire. (Amidst all my errors, I’ll take credit for predicting this.) It seems to be a factor in the movement of women and college-educated voters--and of Democrats--back into the Obama column. Quinnipiac asked Colorado voters whom they would prefer as president, Palin or Democratic choice Joe Biden. Men chose Palin by 46 to 44 percent, while women chose Biden by 47 to 37 percent. Independents preferred Biden by 50 to 37 percent and Democrats--presumably including Hillary Clinton backers McCain wanted to attract--by 86 to 4 percent. 32 percent of Independents said the choice of Palin made them less likely to vote for McCain; only 13 percent said the choice of Biden made them less likely to vote for Obama.


The Survey USA and Washington Post-ABC polls didn’t ask about Virginia voters’ reaction to Palin, but showed the same movement among the same groups as in Colorado. There was, however, another factor that appeared in the Washington Post-ABC poll. There was a change in which candidate Virginia voters thought was “more honest and trustworthy” --from 44 to 38 percent McCain in the poll released Sept. 7 to 43 to 41 percent Obama in the poll released Sept. 21. That could be a result of another McCain strategy backfiring: the rash of ridiculous negative ads, highlighted by the ads claiming that Obama had defamed Palin by taking his statement about “lipstick on a pig” entirely out of context and the ad claiming that he was a supporter of sex education for kindergartners.

As the campaign proceeds, it is hard to see how McCain can undo these two mistakes. He can’t get rid of Palin. And his campaign staff, drawn from the same people who defamed him in the 2000 South Carolina primary, will be tempted to run even more scurrilous ads in order to slow Obama’s momentum.

--John B. Judis

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/23/mccain-stumbles.aspx
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:14 PM
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1. The more scurrilous the ads, the more people will know McCain is a lying meatsack.
BRING EM ON!!! :thumbsup:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:15 PM
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2. McCrash has been reduced to making a Spectacle of himself....he is a STRIDENT ole Fool
bent on Babbling ....the crowds that come to hear him are thinning...sometimes down to a few dozen if that...
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:16 PM
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3. They will just get more negative and dishonest.
It's the only think they know how to do.

Thankfully, the average American voter does not appear to be quite as dumb as McCain (Steve Schmidt) assumes.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:23 PM
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11. I wish I could agree with you.
About the average American and dumbness that is.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:23 PM
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4. K/R.
:kick:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:43 PM
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5. I wouldn't count on McCain sticking with Palin.
After all, he had little influence in the decision to pick her in the first place. The public vetting of her has already revealed several acts and positions which should disqualify her entirely from running, so he can cash her in whenever he pleases.

The Eagleton switch-out in 1972 shows how easily it can be done, post-convention, and that goes double for the oligarchy party. If Biden makes her look particularly bad in the debate, they'll ditch her without a second thought.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:46 PM
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7. If this is true, and I suspect it is,
that he had little influence in the decision to pick her, then it probably wouldn't be his call whether to let her go.

This has to be the most "managed" canpaign in history. I wonder if McCain ever gets to make a decision at all.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:25 PM
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12. He'll keep her.
Dump her and he loses, guaranteed. Besides, the fundies fucking lover her. And McCain, like all republicans, needs the fundies. And they weren't exactly flocking to him pre-Palin.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:45 PM
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6. Well, glory be!
Logic comes into play, FINALLY!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:49 PM
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8. At least in Colorado and Virginia. The Appalachian areas seem somewhat immune to that though.
Hopefully, new polling will show it works there too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:21 PM
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10. Colorado and Virginia are like
miracles to me after all the disappointment we've seen coming out of those two beautiful States in a Prez election.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:20 PM
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9. kick
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:11 PM
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13. kick
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