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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:01 AM
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Accuse me of "disunity" ... but the McCain campaign is high-fiving over WJC's View appearance

Bill spent the entire interview subtly undermining Obama's campaign.


Dammit... I was starting to come around on the guy, but he keeps DOING THIS SHIT.


More "View" viewers were moved to McCain by this appearance than to Obama.

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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:02 AM
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1. I totally disagree
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:03 AM
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2. Not everyone bases their opinions on what Bill Clinton has to say
(if you haven't noticed).

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:04 AM
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3. He affects more people than you think....
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:06 AM
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4. and less then you think. Who cares as long as Hillary campaigns for Obama?
Distraction.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:10 AM
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8. There are millions of Democrats who consider Clinton the greatest President of the last 50 years
...and I was one of them.

They listen to EVERY word the man says.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:35 PM
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44. I NEVER thought that.
And I don't listen to a WORD he says. Everyone knows he's owned by the Saudis.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:10 AM
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9. There are millions of Democrats who consider Clinton the greatest President of the last 50 years
...and I was one of them.

They listen to EVERY word the man says.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:29 AM
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15. Well if he didn't change your mind,
or my mind, I don't see the big deal. :)

I too think Clinton was the greatest president of the last 50 years, and I listen to what he has to say, but in the end we all make our own decisions. Nobody will change their vote over this.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:30 AM
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16. You and I are high-information voters..... Bill's opinion sways low-information voters.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:35 AM
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18. Did he officially endorse McCain?
If so, I missed it. I don't think his display of respect for both candidates will change any Democrat's vote from Obama to McCain.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:39 AM
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20. Not "officially".... just said that McCain is "qualified" and that he "likes him".

:eyes:

Same thing.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:54 AM
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28. He said that about both of them.
He also made the case that the only way to vote is to vote for the Democrats!

Anyone who gleaned an endorsement for McCain out of that must really be stretching it. I wish he had been more forceful in supporting Obama, but I just disagree with you that people are going to change their vote over this. Much ado about nothing.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:59 AM
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31. "low-information voters" = Republicans.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:01 PM
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33. Not exclusively...... many LIVs voted for Clinton in '92 and '96.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:06 PM
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36. How do we know this?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:15 AM
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12. Hillary is campaigning for HERSELF. Obama campaign is a vehicle. SLAMMING MCSHAME OR PALIN

is NOT part of her speaches.
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timeoutofjoint Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:07 AM
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6. I will not accuse you of disunity --and I agree. Bill C. still holds
lots of credibility for many.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:14 AM
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11. As a strong Bill and Hillary supporter....
I did not like this interview. Rather than being effected by him, it makes me suspect.

Here's what I don't understand. Let's go to the extreme and consider that they want McCain to win so that Hillary can run in 2012. The problem with that is that if Obama loses, and it is thought that the Clintons were in anyway to blame, who would vote for her in 2012???? No black person! I don't think any women, like myself, who now supports Obama strongly would vote for her. I'm certain that there is no way she could win the primaries to even become our candidate...if she is precieved as being partially at fault.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:45 AM
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24. Well then, that excuses everything!
Jesus Christ.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:06 AM
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5. Obama should not even have him campaign for him
Put him on the sidelines. Say thanks but no thanks.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:09 AM
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7. put him out to help the down ticket folks, maybe? nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:15 AM
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13. Nope
No media events at all. Let him be irrelevant.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:38 AM
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19. I wonder if this is why Gore didn't use him?
Part of it is Hillary (for sure) but part of it might be Bill and how he sees his role as former president. Be nice to everyone?

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:49 AM
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27. 2000 Bill Clinton was coming off of impeachment
Gore didn't use him to try to avoid the culture war.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:18 PM
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39. that is certainly what we all thought
up to now

He is just not a great fighter for anyone but himself.

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Pattib Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:11 AM
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10. And he wants to be the elder statesman of the party? No way, not after this shit!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:16 AM
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14. Pretty much validates everything we've been saying about him.
Meh.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:32 AM
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17. and then some. meh is right.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:42 AM
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21. It's all about Hillary 2012 -- while she's doing her best to create plausible deniability
I thought Bill told reporters last week that he couldn't campaign for Obama "until his Global Initiative was over".
WTF is he doing the talk-show circuit to bolster McCain/Palin during the same time Obama is surging in the
polls, then? Why isn't he out on the trail? To tell you the truth, I don't want him on the trail after this latest
example of his Clintonian BS.
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obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:46 AM
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25. clintons are creating plausible deniability.
I was never counting on them.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:58 AM
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30. Me too... although they fooled/are fooling some people here at DU about their intentions
Edited on Mon Sep-22-08 11:58 AM by ClarkUSA
Your skepticism, which mirrors mine, is well-founded.

Welcome to DU. I like your "handle". It's cute. :hi:
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obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:31 PM
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42. But Obama will win anyway
he's just that good. And thanks for the welcome
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:34 PM
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43. Yeah, are you watching his kick-ass economic address in Green Bay now live on MSNBC?
If you're not, watch it on YouTube -- he's just that good (as you so aptly said).

And it's a pleasure to welcome you (too many newbies these days are McCainiac trolls or PUMA sockpuppets).
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:09 PM
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37. Yep. nt
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:44 AM
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22. The Clintons are DEAD politically. You should not be surprised that the corpse reeks.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:45 AM
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23. I've come to admire Hillary.
Bill is a player and a backstabber.

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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:47 AM
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26. That was the last straw for me.
I think Hillary has been great since the primaries, but Bill can stuff it. What a stooge.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 11:56 AM
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29. It would depend, would it not, on the listener's attitude towards the speaker?
Edited on Mon Sep-22-08 11:56 AM by WinkyDink
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:00 PM
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32. Actually what he did is very smart. Not alienating people who DO like McCain...
like it or not, there are apparently millions who do.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:01 PM
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34. Wow..... talk about spin
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:03 PM
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35. Yep, he was sucking up to McCain voters hoping they'd
vote for Hillary in 2012.

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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:13 PM
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38. You anti-Clinton people are just hopeless.
Used to be funny, now just pitiful.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:20 PM
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40. I admire Hillary.
Bill has proven many times that fidelity is not one of his virtues.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:24 PM
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41. I was just starting to be excited about Bill Clinton and he had to throw...
a bucket of cold water. I mean, what the hell is he trying to accomplish? :-(
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:35 PM
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45. I was cool with Clinton after the convention
but then he goes and pulls this shit.

Fuck him. I'll never believe a word out his mouth or trust anything from him again.
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