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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:31 PM
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We deserve fiscal responsibility - not a $700 Billion dollar bailout!
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 03:32 PM by Major Hogwash
WTF?

Now they're talking about a 700 BILLION DOLLAR BAILOUT!!!!!

I thought George Bush was the first President with an MBA and that we didn't need to worry about the economy because he was going to surround himself with brilliant advisors.


Bush team, Congress negotiate $700B bailout
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and DEB RIECHMANN,
Associated Press Writers
25 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Bush administration asked Congress on Saturday for the power to buy $700 billion in toxic assets clogging the financial system and threatening the economy as negotiations began on the largest bailout since the Great Depression.


The rescue plan would give Washington broad authority to purchase bad mortgage-related assets from U.S. financial institutions for the next two years. It does not specify which institutions qualify or what, if anything, the government would get in return for the unprecedented infusion.

Congressional aides and administration officials tried to fill in the details of the proposal. The White House hoped for a deal with Congress by the time markets opened Monday; top lawmakers say they would push to enact the plan as early as the coming week.

"We're going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly," President Bush said at the White House. Without discussing specifics, he said, "This is a big package because it was a big problem."

But lawmakers digesting the eye-popping cost and searching for specifics voiced concerns that the proposal offers no help for struggling homeowners or safeguards for taxpayers' money. Democrats say it must include mortgage help so borrowers facing foreclosure can stay in their homes.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the plan "a good foundation," but said it was missing "some kind of supervisory authority, and some kind of protection for homeowners and taxpayers."

Still, he said such measures shouldn't slow the package down. "If we wait too long, the floor could come out and everything could crash down," Schumer said.

The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue.

"The American people are furious that we're in this situation, and so am I," the House's top Republican, Ohio Rep. John A. Boehner, said in a statement. "We need to do everything possible to protect the taxpayers from the consequences of a broken Washington."

Signaling what could erupt into a brutal fight with Democrats over add-on spending, Boehner said "efforts to exploit this crisis for political leverage or partisan quid pro quo will only delay the economic stability that families, seniors, and small businesses deserve."

Bush said he worried the financial troubles "could ripple throughout" the economy and affect average citizens. "The risk of doing nothing far outweighs the risk of the package. ... Over time, we're going to get a lot of the money back."

He added, "People are beginning to doubt our system, people were losing confidence and I understand it's important to have confidence in our financial system."

Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, the Senate Finance Committee chairman, said he would push to add measures "that keep the burden of this bailout off taxpayers, mostly by making reasonable requirements of the companies asking for this emergency help."

Neither presidential candidate took a position on the proposal. GOP nominee John McCain said he was awaiting specifics and any changes by Congress. "This financial crisis requires leadership and action in order to restore a sound foundation to financial markets, get our economy on its feet, and eliminate this burden on hardworking middle-class Americans," McCain said in a statement.

Democratic rival Barack Obama used the party's weekly radio address to call for help for Main Street as well as Wall Street.

"We need to help people cope with rising gas and food prices, spark job creation by repairing our schools and our roads, help states avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, and help homeowners stay in their homes," Obama said. "And we must also ensure that the solution we design doesn't reward particular companies, or irresponsible borrowers or lenders, or CEOs, some of whom helped cause this mess."

Their language reflected a tricky balance that politicians in both parties are trying to strike, just six weeks before Election Day: Back a plan that doles out hundreds of billions to companies that made bad bets and still identify with the plight of middle-class voters.

Besides mortgage help, Democrats are considering attaching additional middle-class assistance to the legislation despite a request from Bush to avoid adding controversial items that could delay action. An expansion of jobless benefits was one possibility.

Bush sidestepped questions about the chances of adding such items, saying that now was not the time for posturing. "I think most leaders would understand we need to get this done quickly, and you know, the cleaner the better," he said about legislation being drafted.

The draft does not specify which financial institutions would be eligible for the help, leaving open the question of whether hedge funds or pension funds could qualify. Congressional aides said that omission appeared to be by design, as the question of who could get help under the bailout is still up for negotiation.

The proposal does not require that the government receive anything from banks in return for unloading their bad assets. But it would allow the Treasury Department to designate financial institutions as "agents of the government," and mandate that they perform any "reasonable duties" that might entail.

The government could contract with private companies to manage the assets once it purchased them.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson says the government would in essence set up reverse auctions, putting up money for a class of distressed assets — such as loans that are delinquent but not in default — and financial institutions would compete for how little they would accept.

If enacted, the plan would give the treasury secretary broad power to buy, manage and sell the mortgage-related investments without any additional involvement by lawmakers. It would, however, require that the congressional committees with oversight on budget, tax and financial services issues be briefed within three months of the government's first use of the rescue power, and every six months after that.

Link -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080920/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:39 PM
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1. that's what obama said too
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:55 PM
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2. This is a farce!
What 'mortgages' are they bailing out? If it isn't homeowners' mortgages, then it's commercial paper. There will be no bottom to this mess until somebody stops the individual homes being foreclosed.

Minimum it needs a primary residence foreclosure moratorium, and buyback of THOSE mortgages to the FHA for workouts.

I want ZERO commercial paper bailed out. Nada. None.

Take over the banks that fail and put them into an RTC if necessary, WITH TOTAL OVERSIGHT.

All this is doing is making the offenders authorized agents of the government with a blank check. And if McC wins, GRAMM would be in charge of it as Sec. of Treasury!

NO!

We must NOT do this. Homeowners FIRST. Individual pension funds, yes. Let the rest twist in the wind and fail if necessary. For jobs lost, the institutions will be taken over just the same as in a private buyout.

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jfs00 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:19 PM
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3. This whole thing is crazy and
being rushed into. Why not just give everyone in America 100,000$ .
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:39 PM
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4. Try reading THIS response:
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:41 PM
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5. Wow, remember when Republicans used to claim to be for "fiscal conservatism"?
Yeahhhh. I have no words for this. They are all hypocrites.
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:54 PM
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6. It's worse than you think. Here's the text of the bill:
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR TREASURY AUTHORITY

TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS

Section 1. Short Title.

This Act may be cited as __________________.

Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Authority to Purchase.--The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.

(b) Necessary Actions.--The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation:

(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the authorities in this Act and defining their duties;

(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;

(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;

(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to supervision by the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue obligations; and

(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be necessary or appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of this Act.

Sec. 3. Considerations.

In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary shall take into consideration means for--

(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial markets or banking system; and

(2) protecting the taxpayer.

Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.

Within three months of the first exercise of the authority granted in section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall report to the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways and Means of the House of Representatives and the Committees on the Budget, Finance, and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate with respect to the authorities exercised under this Act and the considerations required by section 3.

Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Exercise of Rights.--The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act.

(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary shall have authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act, including revenues and portfolio risks therefrom.

(c) Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary may, at any time, upon terms and conditions and at prices determined by the Secretary, sell, or enter into securities loans, repurchase transactions or other financial transactions in regard to, any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act.

(d) Application of Sunset to Mortgage-Related Assets.--The authority of the Secretary to hold any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act before the termination date in section 9, or to purchase or fund the purchase of a mortgage-related asset under a commitment entered into before the termination date in section 9, is not subject to the provisions of section 9.

Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.

The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

Sec. 7. Funding.

For the purpose of the authorities granted in this Act, and for the costs of administering those authorities, the Secretary may use the proceeds of the sale of any securities issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, and the purposes for which securities may be issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, are extended to include actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses. Any funds expended for actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure.

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.


Sec. 9. Termination of Authority.

The authorities under this Act, with the exception of authorities granted in sections 2(b)(5), 5 and 7, shall terminate two years from the date of enactment of this Act.

Sec. 10. Increase in Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.

Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.

Sec. 11. Credit Reform.

The costs of purchases of mortgage-related assets made under section 2(a) of this Act shall be determined as provided under the Federal Credit Reform Act of 1990, as applicable.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:

(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.--The term “mortgage-related assets” means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

(2) Secretary.--The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of the Treasury.

(3) United States.--The term “United States” means the States, territories, and possessions of the United States and the District of Columbia.


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(Emphasis my own)

Section 8 ought to scare the hell out of everybody!! And that $700B is "at any one time", so it can be repeated, every damn day if they want to. This is OBSCENE and everyone should be contacting their reps but fast on this. May I also say, this is all before any of W's signing statements .. and with no one able to watch over any of it, lord knows what this will actually look like once he's done with it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 06:28 PM
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7. Another power grab by Bush - he wants to be the Executive of the Economy!!
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 06:29 PM by Major Hogwash
Fuck him!

The purse strings are held by Congress!!

Make Bush crawl on his gawd damned knees to bail out his big business partners!
Make him beg!!

And then tell him "no, sorry, Sonny, you're a miserable failure at business and you always have been - Arbusto was proof enough of that!!"
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