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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:57 AM
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The Picture McCain Doesn’t Want You to See (especially NOT today...)
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:08 AM by kpete

McCain celebrating his birthday with Charles Keating

The Picture McCain Doesn’t Want You to See
By: emptywheel Friday September 19, 2008 7:11 am

Remember this really damning picture of McCain celebrating his birthday with Charles Keating, the villain of the last big taxpayer bailout of unrestrained Republican greed? Here's the article where bmaz got that photo (download the whole pdf from The Phoenix Sun Gazette, September 12, 1993).
http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files//2008/09/news-1993-a-keating-wife_s-fall-from-grace-pg-19930912-complete.pdf

I guess McCain didn't want any proof out that there he's been helping big money rip off taxpayers for his entire career.

And that he looks like an idiot doing it.

Tell us again, Senator McCain, about your integrity and independence from the fat cats and lobbyists who cooked the laws that created this financial fiasco, or about your fitness to lead us out of it. I'm all ears.

more at:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/the-picture-mccain-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

UPDATE (lots of Keating Info, links)to include:
A refresher on McCain and the Keating 5
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/85451/3991/545/603547
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:06 AM
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1. He was a hearty partier, wasn't he?
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:07 AM by in search of sanity
People talk about possible Alzheimer's. How about the effects of long-term alcohol abuse?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:08 AM
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2. 11 recs and no posts!
here let's get this kicked up there. Everyone should see McDrunks party pics
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:09 AM
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3. I have never seen a bigger moran then McLame, next to Shrub that is.
Nice hat, Mr. Grumpy Pants. He was partying it up with Keating while the nation faced a savings and loans crisis.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 06:44 AM
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51. Fiddles while the country burns
Reminds me of the picture where McDumb is celebrating his b'day with a giant cake and McJustasdumb while New Orleans drowns. They obviously don't give a rat's ass about us riff raff.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:09 AM
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4. Remember Keating! New Sig Line.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:10 AM
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5. K&R This needs to be on the front page! n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:10 AM
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6. knr!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:10 AM
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7. Dupe. sorry.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:14 AM by Jesuswasntafascist
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:12 AM
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8. And tip of a party hat to anti-corruption Dems - many don't realize that ALL these matters surfaced
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:53 AM by blm
when Kerry started uncovering the many layers of banking fraud in IranContra which led to BCCI's nasty network of global banking crimes, including American S&Ls.

In fact, Keating was TWO sections of Kerry's Twenty Outstanding matters that needed further scrutiny in his Dec 1992 BCCI report.

Check out #8 and #12

Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:51 PM
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39. Could you please provide a link for this information?
Thanks if you can.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 09:12 AM
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52. It's directly from the Dec 1992 BCCI report - the link is also in this DU thread
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 09:19 AM by blm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2311366&mesg_id=2311366

A thread that more Dems should be assessing carefully - the info contained is crucial to just about everything happening today and indeed, the last 8years, especially 9-11.

Here's a direct link to fas...
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:14 AM
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9. I think this pic would look great in a MoveOn ad.
I'm not sure this would be something the Obama/Biden people should deal with.

But damn, this pic says it all, doesn't it?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:16 AM
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10. K & R
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:18 AM by symbolman
Now THIS is how you bring that lying asshole DOWN.. this should be pasted as a "Wanted" Poster all over the country, stuck up in Laundromats, Grocerie stores, telephone poles, anywhere where your average person can run across it..

Need to get OUT there in REALITY LAND :)

All thanks, a BIG Thanks to emptywheel, who's been bringing us the Right Stuff, always blogging from the Front lines of American Facsism in PLAY..

You TOO kpete! :)

ON EDIT: And let's not Forget that this LAST B-Day be was on a Very Rich Man's Yacht yukking it up again, someone who I believe was a recently snagged for criminal conduct -- then there's the CAKE with Little Boots on THAT B-Day..

Man of the People? REFORMER? MY ASS..
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:21 AM
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11. What the hell is on his head. Oh and this one needs to get around too.....
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/berman_ames



That's Anne Hathaway and her now indicted ex-boyfriend. Please don't hold Anne responsible, she dumped the asshole and is a big supporter of Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaello_Follieri
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:31 AM
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12. I think someone should start an album of McCain bday parties through the years.
Of course, this would be in there. Another would be the one with Bush and cake during Katrina. I'm sure there must be others out there.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:32 AM
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13. Answer to McCain's little talk this morning about how he will "clean up" greed and corruption calls.
It's way past time for the Obama campaign to bring up Keating Five every time they talk about why McCain is NOT the person Americans can trust in this situation (not to mention McCain's anti-regulation philosophy).
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:49 AM
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14. If he can hold a glass, he can use the internet.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:53 PM
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40. Does McCain shake hands with people?
That's probably harder on your hands and arms than using the internet. Does he hold things in his hands easily? That takes a lot of strength and dexterity.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:10 AM
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15. Partying like it's 1989!
Keating Five!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:33 AM
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16. K&R
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:07 PM
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17. THere are enough pictures of this doofus to make quite a
collage. That in itself would make a great ad for us.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 05:35 PM
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18. Now is the time to start bringing up the Keating 5.
Call your Reps and Senators and tell them to yak it up on the airwaves!!!

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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:29 PM
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28. 5? Who were the other four?
I was young and out of the country during the timeframe mentioned here and wasn't paying attention much to what was going on back home. What were the judgments, the consequences for these people? McCain's career doesn't appear to have been harmed, but then this is Washington and we can see what Bush gets away with.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:18 PM
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36. Unfortunately, the other four were Dems.
Here's a good refresher course post at Daily Kos that explains it better than I can. I wasn't paying attention back then myself.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/85451/3991/545/603547
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:48 AM
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48. But only McCane
is running for President, and only McCane has a right wing radical for a running mate.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 09:17 AM
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54. Good to be mindful, though, that Poppy Bush was known to entrap lawmakers in bad business
deals back when he was Nixon's fixer....including lawmakers from his own party. Many of these lawmakers would get involved with a deal that appeared completely legit because it was set up to look legit, then when things went soured, they were entrapped and Poppy could leverage them.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:17 AM
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56. Thanks for the info
And that led me to more research. I guess I should have just researched myself before asking. McCain exonerated? We can still catch him on "poor judgment" in his associations, but then Obama has his own. I would like to have something where there is no mud they can sling back.

And Keating was the anti-porn crusader in the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt! So we have a right-wing upright morality preaching Christian ripping people off for billions. I am SO not surprised. And the bastard got off, not surprised again.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:32 PM
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57. I haven't heard of Obama being involved in scandals.
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 12:33 PM by cui bono
I have no idea what you could be comparing this to that would make you cancel it out. Obama has been accused of things by those running against him that have not born out. Plus, even those accusations are NOTHING compared to this completely corrupt behavior. Are you sure you're really looking for something against McCain?

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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:50 PM
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58. Poor judgment in associations
I haven't heard any credible evidence of Obama being directly involved in scandals, which is one reason I like him, but he has shown poor judgment in choosing with whom he associates such as hate-filled Wright, greedy Johnson, communist Davis and unrepentant dangerous militant Ayers.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 05:01 PM
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59. You're kidding, right?
McCain was not just associated with Keating, he actively pursued blocking an investigation into Keating, who, coincidentally I'm sure, happened to be a big contributor to McCain. Apples and oranges.

Obama was on the same board as Ayers, what's wrong with that? What did Ayers do wrong? Wright wasn't so wrong with what he said and Obama wasn't in church to hear it when he said it, and when it became an issue he disassociated from him. Not sure who Johnson and Davis are...

Why are you repeating debunked, non-issue right wing talking points here? Thanks for your "concern". :hi:
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 06:03 PM
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60. No kidding
"McCain was not just associated with Keating, he actively pursued blocking an investigation into Keating"

Which was the scandal. Although the Democratic-led Congress cleared him of all charges, and the Democrat leading the investigation didn't want to pursue charges against him in the first place. I consider what he did a betrayal of the American people, but it's hard to push Keating 5 against him in a campaign when Congress exonerated him, stating his "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence."

At first using Keating 5 against him sounded good, but I don't think so now that I've gotten educated on the scandal.

"Obama was on the same board as Ayers, what's wrong with that?"

They lived near each others and ran in the same circles quite a bit. Ayers even hosted a brunch for Obama when Obama was running for state senate. If I had an invitation from such a person, especially during an election, I would certainly decline. But Obama was trying to get elected and needed all the help he could get.

"What did Ayers do wrong?"

Setting off bombs in public places that could have easily killed people ranks him as scum in my book.

"Wright wasn't so wrong with what he said and Obama wasn't in church to hear it when he said it"

I don't buy it. You don't go to church for that long without knowing what the pastor's about. And with Wright it's about hate. But that church was a good way to get to know people if you're getting into politics in Chicago, whoever the pastor is. That's why I don't think Obama believes the hate message himself.

"Not sure who Johnson and Davis are..."

Johnson was an Obama campaign advisor who was head of Fannie Mae and involved with the infamous sub-prime lender Countrywide.

Background: the Communist Party of the USA was Soviet-funded and participated in espionage for the KGB or whatever the Soviets were calling their spying agency at the time (NKVD/GUGB/MVD). Davis was a member, and Obama looked up to him as a kid and has said Davis influenced him.


Poor judgment in association, like I said.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:47 PM
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61. You sound like a McCain aide.
Again, thanks for your "concern".

Your accusations are thinner than the Keating 5 situation and yet you choose to repeat them. Ayers was never convicted from what I understand, not sure if he was even indicted.

And funny how you mention all of this and not one word from you about all the people on McCain's campaign, those are not just mere associations, those are people actively working for him. You know, all those lobbyists? Please, go back to the McCain site and tell them someone finally sniffed you out.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:20 AM
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64. Ayers got lucky
"Ayers was never convicted from what I understand, not sure if he was even indicted."

He was a fugitive for ten years after two of his co-conspirators blew themselves up making a nail bomb. You don't make a nail bomb to blow up things, you only make one if you intend to kill people. Lucky for him near the end of his run was the time of the COINTELPRO scandal and charges were dropped due to prosecutor misconduct. But nobody disputes he was part of the Weathermen.

"And funny how you mention all of this and not one word from you about all the people on McCain's campaign"

I don't have to. We know McCain associates with bad people. The point is that it's not good to bring that up because he has plenty of mud to throw right back at Obama.

"those are people actively working for him"

Like Johnson was actively working for Obama. See, not a good idea especially when people are hopping mad over the mortgage crash. I don't want to get tangled up in a mud-slinging who knows who when Obama should be able to win on the message.

"You know, all those lobbyists?"

Yes, the money situation in Washington is extremely bad. Yes, let's bring up McCain's extensive lobbyists so McCain can point out Obama got over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Chris Dodd. Freddie Mac board member Geoffrey Boisi is a big McCain contributor, but Freddie Mac executive VP Robert Tsien financially backs Obama. Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists, but he does take money from industry PACs and corporate fat cats. I don't really see the difference, it's cash for influence whatever name you put on it.

Again, not a good idea to throw that mud because it'll come right back and hit Obama.

"Please, go back to the McCain site and tell them someone finally sniffed you out."

Pathetic and childish. Someone tries to be sensible and calls for an end to mud slinging because it hurts everyone, and such accusations get thrown around.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 09:56 PM
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63. McCain should NEVER be seen as exonerated - go research the focking BCCI report. Keating was a named
figure in that, too, along with Jackson Stephens and Marc Rich and Bin Ladens and AQ Khan, among others.

Until BCCI books are opened up NONE of these motherfuckers can be described as exonerated.....exonerated....my ass.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 07:13 PM
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19. Put that together with the picture of Bush and the birthday cake.
Partying with one screw-up is a mistake. (McCain with Keating)

Partying with two, (McCain with Bush) makes you a screw-up, too.


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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 07:25 PM
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22. I was just thinking the same thing. He needs to start instituting a no photo
birthday policy. Not that I mind really :)
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 07:16 PM
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20. thigh to thigh - Larry Craig would be sooooo proud
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 07:25 PM
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21. Damn! this guy has a BIG birthday problem!






I tell ya.. This guy should just stay home!
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 08:03 PM
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23. lol! n/t
;)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:11 PM
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35. Knows the wrong freakin'
people.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 08:17 PM
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24. The FDIC also has info on their site
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 08:18 PM by WIllo
The S&L Crisis: A Chrono-Bibliography

That includes this entry:
April, 1987--Edwin Gray ends his term as chairman of Federal Home Loan Bank Board in June. Before his departure, he is summoned to the office of Sen. Dennis DeConcini. DeConcini, with four other Senators (John McCain, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, and Donald Riegle) question Gray about the appropriateness of Bank Board investigations into Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings and Loan. All five senators, who have received campaign contributions from Keating, would become known as the "Keating Five". The subsequent Lincoln failure is estimated to have cost the taxpayers over $2 billion.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/

With a link to publications on the Charles Keating and Lincoln Savings and Loan:

Adams, James R., The Big Fix: Inside the S&L Scandal: How an Unholy Alliance of Politics and Money Destroyed America's Banking System, New York: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1990.
Binstein, Michael and Charles Bowden, Trust Me: Charles Keating and the Missing Billions, New York: Random House, 1993.

Calavita, Kitty, Pontell, Henry N., and Tillman, Robert H. Big Money Game: Fraud and Politics in the Savings and Loan Crisis, Berkeley, Calif.: University of California Press, 1997.

Day, Kathleen, S&L Hell: The People and the Politics Behind the $1 Trillion Savings and Loan Scandal, New York: W.W. Norton & Co., 1993.

Mayer, Martin, The Greatest-Ever Bank Robbery: The Collapse of the Savings and Loan Industry, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1990.

Pizzo, Stephen, Fricker, Mary and Paul Muolo, Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans, New York: McGraw-Hill Publishing Co., 1989.

Preliminary Inquiry Into Allegations Regarding Senators Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and Riegle and Lincoln Savings and Loan, hearings before the Senate Select Committee on Ethics, 101st Cong., 2nd Sess., Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1991.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/slbib9.html

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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:30 PM
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25. What's with the hat? nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:31 PM
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30. That is his hidey hole for his incontinence, even back then.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:26 PM
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26. Sleazebag
He, Charles, Duke Cunningham, Crashcart, * are one in the same. Lying pieces of shits who just want to make themselves and their friends richer.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:28 PM
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27. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...n/t
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Captiosus Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:32 PM
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31. I won't get fooled again. ;) (n/t)
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:53 AM
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46. Hee.
Captiosus, you are a clever one. Welcome to DU. :hi:
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:29 PM
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29. nice party hat! nt
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:41 PM
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32. The next commander in chief? - I think not...!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:49 PM
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33. Is that a Dick with Ears on his head?....n/m
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:01 PM
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34. YES! WHEN are we going to see Keating Five commercials from the Obama campaign?
Or maybe some 527?

Shit - if I had the money, I'd make one myself.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:21 PM
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37. Probably once the neocons bring up Wright in attack ads
Obama is wise not to spend all of his negative attack ads on McCain months before the homestretch.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:36 PM
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38. careful here
McCain is fair game here. He was probably the most prominent of the Keating five." But it's hard to tar the Republicans with it because the other four were all Democrats.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:55 PM
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41. NEW MCCAIN DISCLOSURE!!!! INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!
It has just now been disclosed that
John McCain was a POW during the Vietnam War.


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reportedly, he was tortured and suffered a whole lot for 5 years.

Like wow and wow and wow.

Who could have dreamed of such a thing?


It really shows the inner strength, restraint, and resolve
of John McCain to have kept this terrible secret
from us all these years, and never, ever to have used
it to further his career or gain sympathy.

That is so noble and fine and brave!!

But now that his suffering has finally been disclosed
at this late date,
we should now consider the possibility
of never ever, ever, EVER again criticizing McCain for anything.
At all.
He has suffered too much for that.


In any case, the latest report said that Sarah Palin was stunned at the disclosure.

Just stunned,
"...and in awe, and feeling very very blessed..."
she said through tears.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:02 AM
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42. Mc Same is the same as Bush but Bush will look tame in comparison to this POW vet.
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:04 AM
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43. This news will be all over the place next week...
No way to avoid this one....

Also,

You don't want to miss this video! Trust Me!

Creators should get an Emmy!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x194143
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dakdirty Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:10 AM
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44. McCain=EVIL
I know some people who call themselves republicans, and they are very good people. Sure, they have ideas that I don't agree with, but I know that they are kind and decent, good to neighbors and family, etc. They are very torn right now, because of the mounting evidence that the people they have chosen to put into positions of power have been screwing everybody, not just the other side. I don't envy them because their party thinks so little of both us and them that they will trot out this blatant fucking crook and parade his doddering ass around like he's the one gonna "shake things up", and save our ass. What a joke.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 12:24 AM
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45. What is that? A dildo hat?
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Ranting_Wacko Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:27 AM
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47. K&R - #100
A worthy hat for the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 06:31 AM
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49. It makes me wonder why W and POW have so much in common
False sense of Entitlement perhaps?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 06:35 AM
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50. The photo of McCBush and Dummya celebrating McCain's birthday during Katrina and now this. n/t
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 09:15 AM
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53. K&R!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 09:31 AM
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55. K & R
Bookmarked.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:55 PM
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62. Why are loaves of garlic bread having a threesome on his cranium?
That's what I need to know.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:09 PM
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65. LOLOL....
come to think of it....
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