Chuck Todd: Obama has been Much More Negative than McCain.

[SuperTrouper]

RW tool Chuck Todd was poo pooing Obama's improvement in the polls and said that it is the economy that is doing it BUT Obama has been a negative campaigner. It is clear to me now that this bearded loser is in the tank for McCain. :nuke:

[1corona4u]

1. Fuck Todd...he's a right wing shill

[DaveinMD]

82. no he's not

his wife is a fairly prominent political consultant who did a lot of work for Jim Webb.

[AspenRose]

83. Doesn't mean *he's* liberal

Exhibit A: Carville/Matalin

[DaveinMD]

88. he may not be liberal

but that doesn't make him a right wing hack.

[oviedodem]

2. Did he say that last week or maybe he said that during the lie-fest from McCain; I think not

[hobbit709]

3. Teeling the TRUTH about liars=going negative.

As far as the RW is concerned.

[NotThisTime]

60. If the truth is negative campaigning, we will win!

[Cooley Hurd]

4. I had high hopes for Chuck...

...but his report a few minutes ago was disappointing.:thumbsdown:

[MarjorieG]

5. How is telling the truth, attributed, and by McC, negative?

[City Lights]

6. Chukie Tee is a full-fledged GETV corporate whore.

Ya done yer corporate masters proud, chukie!

[ErinBerin84]

7. fortunately

we have the luxury of being TRUTHFUL when going negative...these media assholes are never happy. If he wasn't going negative, they would still whine about the "He's not hitting back, what a weakling!" narrative . They showed this study on Hardball too...the media has been a bit tougher on McCain's false allegations lately, but they always still go to the "Still, isn't it EFFECTIVE though?" first...while for Democrats, I could see this going into the "What happened to the politics of HOPE AND CHANGE, Obama?", spin. On Morning Joe, they were also saying Obama referring to the "old boys network" was a dig at McCain's age, even though he was directly REPEATING McCain's language. yeah, I know, it's Morning Joe..but that was just ridiculous. I also remember that MSNBC was pissed when Obama was releasing negative ads without putting a dumb "press release" on them (like McCain does every time) first, and saying "Obama is SECRETLY going negative, while pretending to be positive while campaigning? How DARE he try to fool us in the media?"

[Bread and Circus]

8. Obama has been critical of McCain, and it's fair to criticize your component in a campaign.

[Curtland1015]

9. Yup, exactly right. Officially now, the truth = going negative.

What the hell is wrong with this douche bag?

[Doityourself]

10. HA HA! SURPRISE! Todd is a Douche!

[Colobo]

11. Wow... what an ass...

[jonnyblitz]

12. nope, there is a study that proves this is true. they were talking

about it on "Morning Joe". it claims 77% of Obama ads were negative compared to 56% by McCain:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obamas_run_more_negative_ads.php

just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean it's NOT true.

some of you people are completely UNHINGED and need to get a fucking GRIP.

[fugop]

16. Any specifics?

Do they give specifics on what they deem to be "negative" ads? I don't consider it a negative ad when the candidate points out truthful positions of the opponent that suck. I consider it negative when it's full of lies. So perhaps McCain had fewer ads attacking Obama's positions, but Obama's weren't lies upon lies. I wonder if that sort of breakdown is in there?

[jberryhill]

31. Objectively - Truthful Criticism Is Negative

Positive/Negative is not a "truth" index:

Positive - My candidate is good, and here's why

Negative - The other candidate is bad, and here's why

Yes, truthful fair criticism is fine, but it is "negative". Whether an ad is "truthful" is a question to ask with respect to either positive or negative ads. It's simply a different axis altogether.

I think folks are attaching emotional baggage to the word "negative" here.

[kristopher]

77. Exactly. nt

[otohara]

67. Here: It Only Happened For One Week - But It's True

but it's easier to call Chuck Todd vile names vs using the Google.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/17/obama_airs_more_negative_ads_s.html

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/obama_outpaces_mccain_in_negat.html

[Curtland1015]

18. Wow, Morning Joe said it!? Then I humbly apologize!

:eyes:

Please, tell me exactly what "negative" means in this context. I think the interpretation of the word is what's causing the discord here.

[SuperTrouper]

24. Joe Scumborough said that 77% negative for Obama and he was HAPPY because

it says that Obama can throw a punch...Mika was smiling ear to ear

[SuperTrouper]

21. That study talks about Obama responding to McCain's LIES: if that is negative then let it be BUT

FactCheck.org says that McCain is LYING over and over and McCain's lies are on the levels of "pants on fire". The Wisconsin study says Obama's negative ads=77% and McCain=56%. Good for Obama for exposing the LIES by McSame

[godai]

40. Obama has said he won't throw the 1st punch but he'll throw the last.

The proper comeback is that this is in response to McCain's dreadfully negative ads. They will be met full force. Nothing to be defensive about.

[FloridaGrl]

41. This is a bunch of crap

The whole point of these ads are the show the differences between you and your opponent. However pointing out the bad truthfully about your opponent I don't consider that "negative". The lies and taking things way out of context is what I consider negative and so far McCain has mastered that front. 56% negative ads for McCain- Please! Tell me which positive ad that McCain has out there?

[SuperTrouper]

42. Obama should keep it up. He should hammer McSame on a daily basis

[UnrepentantUnitarian]

43. No problem with negative!

As long as it points us toward truth. We can handle it, jonny...can you?

[Renew Deal]

45. And how do you know it's "true"?

Did you do the study?

[ourbluenation]

52. unhinged and unreasonable.

[AllieB]

58. I saw that on Tweety's show (I think)

Negative works. Ask Karl Rove.

[dionysus]

64. so speweth a resident obama hater...

here, have this, it will make it all better;

[sandnsea]

71. Another thing they do that is crazy

Any time you say something bad about your opponent, they call it negative. Negative is telling LIES about your opponent, not just pointing out the bad points of your opponent's policies.

[donco6]

79. From someone in CO who hears all these ads -

That study is CRAP. McCain's ads are not only negative, they're downright juvenile. Obamas are simply factual.

"McCain claiming to be an agent of change? Since when? Oh . . . since he started losing." THAT'S negative? Bullshit.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Time to make it a horse race again.

Except for Keith and Rachael on MSNBC and Jack Cafferty on CNN, the rest are RW shills directed to skew the polls to make them look even.

[FloridaGrl]

14. He's one of the reasons

I stopped watching MSNBC. Obama isn't negative Chucky he's telling the truth.

[RichGirl]

15. Well...

...it makes sense. Obama has so much more to be negative about. He can just tell the truth and it ain't pretty. McCain is stuck having to make things up.

[Alter Ego]

17. GO BACK TO DOING NUMBERS, CHUCK.

YOUR POLITICAL ANALYSIS SUCKS GOAT BALLS.

[slinkerwink]

19. It IS true. I've seen that study as well.

[pdxmom]

20. Negative is one thing, but truthful is another. I don't know what this

"study" they were talking about deems to be negative, but I don't really care, as long as the ads are truthful.

I'd like to see a comparison of ads as to truthfulness. I can guess how that would come out.

[Aloha Spirit]

37. Agree. If a candidate were to not to address the incumbent party and candidate in negative terms

right now, that candidate would be a fool.

[villager]

22. poor desperate little Chucky...

n/t

[Sensitivity]

23. He is reporting on a STUDY that counts responses to SMEARS as NEGATIVE ads

That is the reality -- have to pay for many more RESPONSE ADS than the SMEAR MERCHANT has to place to get resultis. Especially the case because the SMEARS are primarily dissemintated as NEWS and commentary on the MSM rather than as paid advertizing -- one nasty web ad will generate tons of coverage.

[fugop]

27. This is what ticks me off

They lump all ads together as negative, when clearly there are degrees involved. Lies vs. truthful attack ads or response ads should be given different weight. But since this kind of study lumps it all together, it seems the lazy press, once again, is doing a disservice to its profession. Ridiculous.

[SuperTrouper]

33. Mike Barnicle says that McCain makes his ads for the MSM because the voters do not even pay

attention to them. Joe and Mika agreed. So there, mea culpa by the MSM: the McCain ads are for the MSM to disseminate them. Barnicle even called McCain's latest ad released at 6:00 AM this morning about the Capitol casting a shadow in America nad a baby as a "LOSER" ad. :wow:

[OwnedByFerrets]

25. We need a concerted campaign to get rid of his ass...nt

[SuperTrouper]

34. Send Chuck Toad to Galveston to count clam shells and help

with the rescue mission. He is worhtless, Russert is probably turning in his grave

[Top Cat]

26. Todd thinks the viewers are stupid with his rhetoric on Obama

[deadparrot]

28. God forbid Democrats actually use a strategy that's been proven to *work.* nt

[cjsmom44]

29. RE: OMG

OMG now I have heard everything....so...McCain is lying through his old yellow teeth...and Todd claims that Obama has been more negative...WTF? Pleazzzze....Give me a F***in break....What a loser....
The MSM can do so much to influence clueless voters who don't want to spend the time to research the issues ...they would much rather believe that the MSM knows what they are talking about....I am so sick of Todd...and his crap....

[RedSpartan]

30. Obama can run negative ads,

positive ads, ads with Big Bird in them. I don't care. The object here is to win on November 4.

[SuperTrouper]

36. I agree. We don't have to please losers like Chuck Toad

[chitty]

32. It's about time we grew a pair.

Or did we just borrow Hillary's?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Potato Head, Jr. said what?

[BeyondGeography]

38. Fortunately, the media's little bullshit narratives are being devoured by events

[Thrill]

39. So now when Obama fights back, its he's being too mean?

Where was the outrage with Palin's negative speech and McCain's lying ads

[BlueIdaho]

44. That little fascist wouldn't know the truth

if it bit him on the ass.

[Barack_America]

46. Go on Chuck, call him "uppity"...

You know you're dying to.

(and then we will not have to deal with your bullshit any longer)

[Larkspur]

47. How did Todd define "negative"?

Harry Truman said "Republicans think I've giving 'em Hell, but I just tell the Truth about them and they think its Hell."

Obama's latest ads have been exposing the truth about McCain's "experience" and judgement in the senate and that is what good negative ads should do. The Swift Boat smears are the kind of bad negative ads because they spread lies and distortions.

[Veruca Salt]

48. Bullshit

that is all. :puke:

[Jennicut]

49. What happened to Chuckie T? He had good analysis during the primaries

Now he is just shilling for McCain.

[SuperTrouper]

61. After Tim Russert died, Chuck Toad thought that he was the anointed

and the air went to his head and see what happened: a piece of shit spewing methane and nonsense

[ourbluenation]

50. You guys - come on. DU loves him when he reports favorable Obama stuff but when

he doesn't then he's in the tank for mccain. the fact is obama did run more negative ads which is what just about everyone here was screaming for him to do.

[Supersedeas]

51. probably the last time I will take the time to consider Toddian pontifications--just horse shit

[Moochy]

53. check that fucker's swiss bank accounts

[brooklynite]

54. In a way, he has been...

He's rightly criticizing McCain on the Economy, foreign etc., but his ads don't generally finish by saying what he would do. McCain by comparison is willing to throw out one-liners ("I'll protect your savings") that are ridiculous to anyone with an awareness of the facts, but to a low-information voter, I think they resonate. Obama has to start combining the punch with the helping hand.

[Cha]

75. Obama is always saying what he would do.

mccain fucking lies about Obama.

[brooklynite]

80. Not in his advertising...

The average voter never sees him on the stump or in an interview; they get a 15 second sxtract of something he said (usually, the more controversial the better) on the evening news.

[Cha]

86. Too bad Obama is pointing out the facts about mccain

and chuckie finds that too negative.

[ProSense]

55. Your BS MSM at work.

See how it works?

Imaging what they'd be saying if Obama had been even more agressive in responding to McCain's lies and smears. We'd be trying to counter the angry black man or pissed off liberal meme.

[SuperTrouper]

57. And if Obama was not answering the McSame Lies then they would say: Effeminate Democrat

I can't stand some of the talking heads, especially the hot air balloon Chuck Toad

[Hepburn]

56. Good...it's about time Obama kicked some Pubbie ass! n/t

[budkin]

59. My wife loves Chuck Todd and says I'm just being paranoid about him

She's really liberal as well and thinks I'm on crack about him. So I'm sending this to her right now...

[bushisanidiot]

62. If going negative means taking off the kid gloves and calling McCreepy out on his hypocrisy

then yeah.. he is getting "negative" in a way. but he is doing it in a very truthful way.
Sorry, if the truth hurts the repukes!!

[spanone]

63. two words....fuck chuck

[Overseas]

65. Guess Chuckie wants his pats on the head from GE brass.

Can't be honest about McSame if he wants that GE approval and advancement.

[hasssan1]

66. FUCK that ugly tard. lets call msnbc. any number ???

[Zenmaster]

68. The negative ads are not a problem. Its the lies that is a problem.

Obama's ads are negative against McCain, but they tell the truth at a much higher rate.

[Fired Up Democrat]

69. good it's working

going on the attack works. obama needs to keep hitting him hard.

[Lilith Velkor]

70. Took the words right outa my keyboard

Welcome to DU. :toast:

[bdamomma]

72. the media just won't stop spewing lies.

[rufus dog]

73. I think we all saw this coming

Todd and others like him set Obama up, put him in a no win situation. If he doesn't respond to negative ads then he is weak, can't handle the heat, unfit to lead. If he responds then he is negative, not holding up to his pledge.

Dickheads like him never called out Bush/Rove. Their problem is Obama let McCain go over the cliff then respond. So when Obama/Biden get called on it directly they can respond to the asshats.

Todd is betting on the Williams/Brokaw faction winning the battle at NBC and he is probably correct. The problem is Obama will win and NBC will be seen as unfair by both the Repukes and the Democrats.

[blueclown]

74. obama has been negative, but who cares?

look at the scoreboard. :)

obama 48
mccain 44

[LibraLiz1973]

76. Did Chucky T smoke crack before making that statement?

[Cha]

78. So with that in mind..what's been so positive about

mccain's campaign? Obama's been giving FACTS about mccain and you call that negative, chuckie? So be it..it's not Obama's fault that mccain is just a negative a$$hole.

[Vinca]

81. To reach this conclusion, you would have to leave all the advertising

by McCain proven to be lies out of the mix. Apparently Chuck Todd is one of the journalists (so-called) who believe there is no difference between truth and lies.

[endthewar]

84. Well, Obama has gone more negative recently

There's nothing wrong with that at all and Chuck Todd is correct. The difference that you're probably not recognizing is that when Obama goes negative on McCain, it revolves around the issues, not cheap personal attacks.

[Shakespeare]

85. Lots of (sadly typical) reactionary bullshit on this thread.

Yes, Obama HAS run more negative ads. So what? They work. At least his are truthful.

NEGATIVE ADS WORK. We should be running them 24-7. Negative ads are not a bad thing.

Calm the fuck down.

Todd is not a tool, or a rightwinger, or anything but an analyst, and a pretty darn good one.

[stillcool]

87. I think there is a misconception

between 'negative' ads on the one side, and smear campaigns on the other. Not surprising considering our media.

[last_texas_dem]

89. He's probably basing that on one recent study...

I saw it cited on Countdown. I'm not sure what time period was being assessed, but it showed that Obama had run more negative ads than McCain during that period, at least using the method by which they defined "negative." I feel like looking at the way these campaigns have been run in the long run that McCain's has been more negative by far- just look at the RNC vs. the DNC. But if Obama has become more negative recently that's good to hear. I was hoping that he would. It was looking like McCain was going to overtake him with all of his idiotic negative campaigning if Obama didn't go more negative. To an extent, negative works. Both Bushes would likely have never been president w/o the power of negative advertising.

As for Chuck Todd, I've never really grasped why so many DUers see him as a RW tool. He grates on me sometimes, and sometimes I think he's pretty fair. Like many in the MSM attempting to be objective, he sometimes overcorrects and is harder on Democrats than I believe is justified, an obnoxious trait common to everyone from Russert to Schieffer to Sam Donaldson to Stephanopoulus, etc. But he doesn't seem to be any sort of big fan of McCain or the Repugs, and I haven't seen him blatantly shilling for them, either.

[AldebTX]

90. When He Shows Me

When he shows me one campaign commercial or speech that comes even CLOSE to the Kindergarten sex commercial by McCain...I MIGHT pay him some heed.

Otherwise I am asking what is he smoking?