I think we should attack Bush on his patriotism

[Nancy Waterman]

Every policy he has pursued has been for the benefit of the global corporations, who have no real loyalty to the US, only to the bottom line. And every policy he has pursued has been bad for average Americans. The list is endless:

the war has brought profits for the military industries and a disaster for US foreign policy including an increase in terrorism; the environment is increasingly polluted due to the deregulation of corporate polluters; the economy is in a shambles for the workers and our children and grandchildren will be saddled with debt but the rich are much richer and saddled with nothing; the deregulation of the media benefits the 5 or so big corporations that own it but harms democracy; and on and on. Every policy can be examined for who benefits, and it is never America, iti s always the super rich and the mega corporations.

[LLLLarry]

1. He's such a hypocrit

Bushchimperialist smears anyone who doesn't bow down at his feet as unpatriotic and a threat to democracy, then he destroys the country that our founding fathers fought and died to create. We need a real leader like John F. Kerry to show this chimpenhawk what patriotism is all about.

[Nancy Waterman]

6. We should also not get defensive about the content of the lies

directed at Kerry. Rather we should say "there they go again" everytime they lie, which is daily. It is a very demeaning and dismissive phrase and makes them seem like dishonest children.

"There he goes again (Bush) twisting and distorting facts to suit his purpose. He just never seems to be able to get the story straight and true."

[merh]

9. That is what most folks who see the new SBVT ads will think

"damn, there they go again" - like the ph band aids, this will back fire on the evil rethugs.

Let them have their days in the spot lights (they can't stand sun light, all demons hate the sun), then the real campaign begins and Kerry will not disappoint us!

[wurzel]

2. You may have something there

His "patriotism" is taken for granted. Though it is clear he has none.

[LLLLarry]

5. Projection

He knows he's a traitor, but he cna't admit it, so he calls liberals unpatriotic and accuses them of treason through surrogates like Mann Coulter.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

18. Exactly!!

I heard an analysis of Rove's campaign tactics a while back, and it boiled down to going after the opposing candidate's strengths, rather than his (or her) weaknesses. A variety of reasons for this, for example, most people will pour a lot more effort into reaffirming their strengths...if you point our their weaknesses, they tend to shrug off or refuse to discuss. There are several other reasons for its effectiveness.

In GWB's case, this tactic has certainly exposed his own qualities which he tries projecting on others...unpatriotic accusing the patriotic, uncaring accusing the compassionate, etc.

I couldn't begin to suggest how to counter this, except that GWB's record speaks for itself. GWB is running the sleaziest campaign ever. MKJ

[LLLLarry]

20. Tell me about it

"Hi there! We're the Swift Boat Veterans whodidntreallyservewithkerry For Truth!"

Where does Pretzelboy find these reich-wing rubes, anyway?

[USA_1]

3. Bush "patriotism"

I just saw an article in the Center for American Progress web site (sorry, I hadn't thought of writing down the URL) which reported how the poverty rate has increased for three years in a row thanks to Bush's economic policy.

How anyone can say that this is "patriotic" is beyond all reason.

But the problem is that Democrats continue to succumb to the stupidity of turning the other cheek rather than responding forcefully with the truth. Instead of bringing up this issue, it's always a matter of let's-turn-the-other-cheek-and-wipe-the-Republicans-in-the-ass in the hope that the Pukes will bring some measure of civility to the argument. Well, it is clear that this tactic just doesn't work.

The Democrats will simply have to fight back and to do so forcefully. Never, never stop bringing up the issue of increased poverty, deficits, unemployment, war profiting, and everything else which undermines the well-being of society. But this is not the first time someone has brought that up. If we are to thrive once again in this society, Democrats will have no other choice than to adopt this tactic.

[LLLLarry]

4. That could work

But what happens if Bushchimpler is re-selected and he starts putting descenters in camps? Would we still stand up for the truth?

[Nancy Waterman]

7. I think we have to tie it all together

the increased deficits, the increased poverty, the increase in uninsured, the widening gap between rich and poor, the disastrous war, all are policies BAD FOR AMERICA and good for his friends. It gives it all a theme.

[LLLLarry]

8. But who will listen?

The Repukelican sheeple are so blindly devoted to following Chimperor Boosh that they probably wouldn't change they're minds even if he broke into their house and stole their TV. Who should we go to with these messages of truth?

[USA_1]

31. "who should we go to with these messages of truth?"

On another thread I mentioned that there are two forums that are filled with hard core reich wingers that are in dire need of enlightenment. These are,

1) Kansas City Star (part of the RealCities network)

2) americanforum.net


just a couple of voices from this forum will be more than enough to offset their messages of treasonous Kerry-hatred and America-hatred.


Still another one that I can think of off-hand is www.beliefnet.com = the problem with this particular board is that its monitors have an unfair reich wing bias. The other two are a lot more impartial.


So go ahead and spread your message of truth.

America and the world needs your wisdom and your patriotic messages.

[GingerSnaps]

10. That's what I tried to say this morning and I got called a freeper

I think that Kerry should go into the attack mode that Bush is not patriotic and the rethugs are not patriotic.

[LLLLarry]

11. What about the media?

Won't they defend Bush and the Republicanazis even more if we start to reveal that or government is run by traitors who send kids to murder brown people and die for oil and imperialism? As soon as Faux News calls Kerry unpatriotic, the rest of them will repeat it without a second thought.

[GingerSnaps]

26. What media

Do you see a media at the RNC that is on our side?

Faux News is a joke no one will believe them except for the people up in the hollers in the south.

[Booster]

12. I agree. Kerry and Edwards are the only ones who can

get this message out. I have sent emails to all news outlets and have yet to have one respond, so that seems useless to me. If Kerry doesn't feel he can do it, why don't Vets For Kerry do it? What the Hell is going on with vets; they should be on every program there is. Lord knows the Swiftboat Liars got on enough.

[Nancy Waterman]

23. Kerry needs to do it and Edwards

And then every Dem on TV who speaks out should repeat the few basic themes about Bush

[GingerSnaps]

28. Every time Bush misspeaks they need to attack him

They should have a list of talking points and do what the rethugs do and keep on the issue and keep repeating everything over and over until it becomes the news of the day.

[Nancy Waterman]

21. Campaign themes

We aren't going after the right wing. They are solidly and blindly behind Bush. But there are the undecideds. They need clear themes. So far what has penetrated is that Bush's tax cuts help the rich and not the middle class. What still bears repeating is that the middle class has ended up paying more through local taxes and fees and increased prices. It has also penetrated that Bush didn't tell the truth about the WMD's. Some people still give him the benefit of the doubt on that. The theme that bears repeating is that he hasn't told the truth about numerous things, everything really.

So, themes:

Bush is a liar; he misrepresents the facts about Kerry and about his policies "There he goes again" every time he lies about something, especially slandering Kerry.

Every Bush policy benefits the global corporate elite and harms America;

And here is another that I think comes from Krugman. I read it somewhere today:

Bush uses militarism instead of diplomacy.

[gulliver]

13. He also failed to defend the sanctity of military medals.

I don't know how it is possible to be any more unpatriotic than that. Bush stood by and allowed Kerry's medals to be questioned. The president of the United States did not stand behind the medals award by the United States.

The thought of "President" Bush doing that fills me with disgust. It is bad enough that Bush supported the Vietnam war and then pulled strings to avoid fighting in it. But to occupy the White House and not defend the honor of the country's military medals? Some patriot, that Bush!

[LLLLarry]

14. He's just ashamed

that he didn't get any while he was getting high on cocaine and having his girlfriend's baby aborted while AWOL form the Ntional Guard. Hed probably steal Kerry's purple hearts if he had the chance, just like he stole the White House.

[Nancy Waterman]

24. And the purple hearts on band aids today

at the GOP Convention. That was an insult to vets everywhere.

[Cha]

15. You're right! I had a customer in our co-op

today who told me that bush was more American than that guy(pointing to my Kerry/Edwards pin)..I said, "yeah, if you believe him and I Don't!

The Sheeple do not have a Clue! It's scarey and dangerous. I should have these facts at my hand to shoot right back with.

I was taken a little off guard with his remark..Like what is that? "More American"? Geesh!

[LLLLarry]

17. That's the problem with sheeple

If you wave a flag in their face and say that only Republicans can be Good Americans, they'll follow like lemmings until they're drafted into an imperialistic oil war in the Middleast. Kerry is the only one who defended the country with his life, and we all know that he'll be a great president.

[Cha]

22. Yeah, he had a big American Flag on his tee

shirt that said "God Bless America"!

Sadly, I knew I was trouble when I read his tee..

[DURHAM D]

16. I believe it was Mussolini who said that fascism is the marriage

of corporate interests and the central government. At this moment, in this time, we have the perfect storm for what Benito could only dream about. When this country needs to be saved from a brutal dictator, such as our current wack job, there will be no one, no country to come to our aid and liberate this once great country.

[LLLLarry]

19. I'm still worried

What if Shrubya decides that the "terraists" are going to attack us in November, and cancels the elctions? Think about what will happen if you oppose him then. You'll not only be called unpatriotic, but a terrorist supportrer as well!

Of course, that happens enogh already.

[Nancy Waterman]

25. Then all bets are off if he actually cancels the elections

But we are more likely to see more of Rove's dirty tricks and we should try and innoculate agaisnt them. One way is to send out our people on the news shows and get them to talk about what Bush did to McCain in 2000 and what he did to Ann Richards in 1996. Point out the history of lies and whisper campaigns from thrid party sources so that when Rove starts another whisper campaign or another swift boat type of thing, we can say that that is Rove and Bush telling lies agian as they always do. "There they go again". And try not to even get caught up in the dispute over facts. Rise above it and just discuss the process and call it by its name. That is what Richard Clarke did when they attacked him when his book came out and the attacks just disintegrated. He just dismissed them as the usual lies and slanders.

[grasswire]

27. call him anti-American

and call every member of his family anti-American too, from his thieving uncles to his traitorous grandfather to his evil bloody-handed father.

Anti-American!

Anti-American!

[Guaranteed]

29. Absolutely. nt

[moondust]

30. That's exactly what Republicans would do to him

if they were running against him. And they would score a lot of points doing it thanks to complicit media. There must be hundreds of different ways to show what he has done or not done has damaged the U.S. Start with 9/11, the most egregious case of ineptitude (at best) in the history of the country.

Of course you'd have to watch out for the backfire.

[DemVIctory]

32. He doesn't love his country.

That is how I always sum up my feelings on non-partisan boards. Rattle off a long list of examples and repeat. Bush doesn't love his country.