***ELECTION FRAUD BY MCCAIN CAMPAIGN*** on Thom Hartmann now!!!

[cui bono]

Anyone hearing this???

What the guest host and callers are saying is that the McCain campaign is sending out absentee ballots in several key states, Michigan, PA, FL plus others and giving the incorrect information on which registrar's office to send it to so that you never actually get to vote using that. Also they're using that old "do not forward" trick so that the letter will come back as undeliverable if the person is having their mail forwarded due to not currently being at the residence.

Has anyone gotten one of these? If so please check the info and see if it is accurate. Where did it come from? If you already acted on it please make sure you are good to go for voting.

[DJ13]

1. Has anyone gotten one of these?

I see posts here everday about people in certain states getting those.

K&R!

[Boz]

23. They are also sending Absentee ballots in states that have Pre voting, Absentee is not prevoting

and they are often handled as provisional ballots, that only get counted "if needed" or after the fact.

Now if there is a huge number that go that way, they wont even know they need to be counted.

[clear eye]

50. So that's their game

To confuse voters into thinking they are "prevoting" when in fact the form is a request for an absentee ballot that won't be counted if it looks like the R's are way ahead because all the Dems voted absentee.

[Labors of Hercules]

38. If you get one of these,Take it to your nearest Obama office...

right away.

[JuniperLea]

41. Good call!!

Yes, this is what needs done!

[glowing]

2. I got, but threw it away.. It was from McCain.. and I didn't want it to defile my house.

It landed in the trash before entering my doorstep.. Sorry.. Don't remember the details on mine. But he is sending these things out massively.

[cui bono]

4. What state are you in? n/t

[dflprincess]

20. Glowing - I see by your profile that you are in Florida

You may want to make sure you're still registered right before the deadline as they may use not receiving a return mailing from as evidence that you've moved.

Every state should have same day registration.

[glowing]

31. It wasn't for me.. It was for my husband who used to be a Pig.. He's now

a dem... I just voted Aug. 26th.. I'll call and make sure there's no hanky panky..

[dflprincess]

36. You should probably demand a notarized statement

that your registration is okay.

[glowing]

43. It was a McCain ad/ mail in ballot opt. inside. Jeb Bush did this in 2004 and

Crist in 2006... They do it all the time...

[demokatgurrl]

47. Still report it, please- to Obama camaign or local Dem office

someone. So they will know it's being done in your city/town.

[zulchzulu]

3. Where did the incorrect info come from?

Um...

[cui bono]

5. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! n/t

[gateley]

6. Something about this was posted here the other day.

(Waiting for my Thom Hartmann stream to launch now)

Could THIS be something that, if proven, could derail the McCain campaign? McCain could feign ignorance, but I would hope lawsuits would ensue.

[VeraAgnes]

7. That is a common, old trick

used by Democrats as well. Example; Des Moines Iowa, 04 ....Board of Elections gives the wrong addresses for caucus sites to Dean campaign.........Dean campaign put thousands, and thousands of door knob informational flyers out to the locals........with the wrong caucus sites to attend.

Rumor has it that Kerry campaign was behind it and the Dean scream.

[cui bono]

11. This is breaking the law.

[VeraAgnes]

16. Like, who's going to enforce it?

They will claim clerical error.

[cui bono]

30. I know, it's hard to get anyone to do anything. But what is a partisan campaign

doing sending out absentee ballot stuff? That's not clerical error, that's interfering with an election.

[doublethink]

42. Clerical error? A political campaign sending out bogus Absentee Ballots?

That's Fraud.

[demokatgurrl]

53. They are just trying to "help America Vote". n/t

[gateley]

19. Is it illegal? Can we use this in any way?

(If, of course, we're not engaging in the same nefarious practice.)

[cui bono]

8. The guest host said this story just started this morning on his local Mich show. n/t

[gateley]

10. It was actually posted here the other day -- I e-mailed it to my brother.

[cui bono]

14. Ah... well I hope something is done about it.

I'd contact congress, but well... you know. :sarcasm:

How can a partisan campaign send out something like an absentee ballot anyway? I get my absentee ballot request form attached to a non-partisan, official county voter information thingy.

[MadrasT]

9. They must be really nervous if they are truly stooping to that.

Does that mean they DON'T have the voting machines rigged???

[flamingdem]

26. It's very expensive to do those mass mailings, I bet oil money pays for it... nt

[Skwmom]

12. We got one but threw it away. I wish I would have looked closer at it.

This needs to be verified and made into an ad...

[flamingdem]

13. THIS IS A BIG STORY! I know several people who got these in Florida

It is a dirty trick.

[gateley]

17. Somebody just phoned in from Raleigh who received three of them. nt

[flamingdem]

22. Does this encourage double voting or vote fraud? nt

[gateley]

29. I don't understand what they hope to gain from this, although I looked into

it when my brother asked me the same thing after I e-mailed the story to him. So I'm not the person to ask -- I don't really get it.

[flamingdem]

62. kick

[flamingdem]

59. los kikes

[flamingdem]

61. kikkkk

[amborin]

15. Hope this INFO is getting OUT and Voters Know n/t

[kestrel91316]

18. People with any doubt whatsoever about their voter registration status

need to IMMEDIATELY mail in a new voter registration form with CURRENT address. Don't let them pull this.

[gateley]

21. I fear that the majority of people wouldn't be suspicious. nt

[flamingdem]

24. ALERT: Can everyone in the states mentioned call their DNC or Obama Headquarters to report this??

Please get back to us about this issue. They need to know about it.

[flamingdem]

25. So far Michigan and Florida ... what other states ?

Colorado? New Mexico?

[flamingdem]

40. kick

[flamingdem]

64. kicaroni

[quantass]

27. kick

[mod mom]

28. LOOK WHAT I FOUND- Disenfranchiser/loyal bushie von Spatkovsky wrote on this on Sept 5 2008:

Gotta go pick up the kids, but thought this might be related

September 5, 2008
Absentee Ballot Fraud: A Stolen Election in Greene County, Alabama
by Hans A. von Spakovsky
Legal Memorandum #31
Executive Summary

Voter fraud is about keeping poor people poor. It does not give them the opportunity to get an education, to get a job, to have a place to raise your family.

—Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann<1>

In the 1990s in Greene County, Alabama, citizens, local political candidates, federal and state prosecu tors, and a local newspaper joined together to fight absentee ballot fraud in the county, one of the poorest in Alabama. Unfortunately, liberal groups like the NAACP and the Southern Christian Leadership Con ference worked equally hard to undermine the effort.

Even as the investigation uncovered massive wrongdoing, so-called civil rights groups objected at every turn, alleging a plot to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. But in the end, justice prevailed with the convictions of 11 conspirators who had fixed local elections for years. The Greene County case is proof that absentee ballot fraud is real and not a cover story for an imagined voter-disenfranchisement conspiracy.

The most important lesson of Greene County is that absentee ballots are extremely vulnerable to voter fraud. The case shows how absentee ballot fraud really works, and it is a reality very different from the claims of partisans and advocacy groups. More broadly, the case shows how voter fraud threatens the right to free and fair elections and how those most often harmed are poor and minorities. This directly rebuts the usual partisan conspiracy theories about voter fraud.

According to the self-appointed liberal guardians of the poor, practically every effort to legislate against or prosecute voter fraud is intended to keep minori ties and the poor from voting at all. Concern over voter fraud, say some partisans, is simply Republi cans' cover to intimidate voters and raise obstacles to minority voting. Indeed, groups like the NAACP argue that racism and intimidation are the motivation for voter fraud prosecutions, and some prominent Democrats dismiss voter fraud as virtually nonexist ent. As a result, prosecutors are intimidated from fighting vote fraud for fear of the political conse quences, and elections continue to be stolen.

-snip

http://www.heritage.org/Research/LegalIssues/lm31.cfm

[cui bono]

33. Hm... I"ll have to read the whole thing, but Voter Fraud is different than Election Fraud.

Voter fraud is something the Republicans whine about when it really barely exists. Voter fraud is when a voter is trying to vote illegally in some manner. Maybe they're not eligible, or they're trying to vote in the wrong district etc...

Election fraud is what the Republicans enjoy. They rig voting machines, purge voters from the lists, send out incorrect information, throw away registration for Dems, etc...

I don't know why the NAACP and other "liberal" groups would object to attempts to clean up the election unless they were arguing that the voter fraud that was being investigated was actually an attempt to disenfranchise legitimate voters.

[ContinentalOp]

39. I think that article is exactly what you say. A republican whining about non-existent "voter fraud"

as a cover for their systematic election fraud.

[mod mom]

44. not to pukes like vonSpatkovsky who attempt to lump the 2 together for confusion.

Here's background on this DESPICABLE creature:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/civil_rights_commission_hires.php

[Bad Thoughts]

32. We register voters, but never tell them to check their registration? Why?

[cui bono]

34. Everyone in key states NEEDS to check now to confirm proper registration status.

It's extremely important this time around.

[Bad Thoughts]

35. Of course, by why not have a "check your registration" drive?

Encourage people who are not on the internet to see their registrat, check that their info is up to date and that no one has tampered with it.

[flamingdem]

48. Someone at DU started a Check your Registration Drive Day but I cannot find their thread..

anyone see it?

[cui bono]

51. No, but it is a great idea. n/t

[SweetieD]

49. I agree -eom-

[Born_A_Truman]

45. We did!

Saturday when we registered voters and gave them their receipt from the bottom of their application, we wrote down the ROV phone number, pointed out their application # and told them if they didn't get their information in a few days, to call the ROV---or if their info they receive wasn't correct--to call the ROV.

I would like to see these absentee ballots being discussed here because it is common practice for the GOP to send out absentee ballot applications. If they are truly fake absentee ballots, not absentee ballot applications, I want to see one.

[clear eye]

54. As I understand that they are absentee ballot applications not ballots but

the dirty tricks part is that some are sent to fairly recently moved voters with applications addressed to county clerk of former residence, and in prevoting states they are wallpapering registered Democrats with these encouragements to vote absentee, rather than prevote because a)some states will deny the absentee ballots to those w/o a valid reason and by then it will be too late to prevote, and b)many places won't count the absentee ballots if it looks like the R's in the precinct are way ahead because all the D's voted absentee.

[cui bono]

37. a Newsweek story on election fraud got posted...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7030408

[Hope And Change]

46. K & R!

[1corona4u]

52. I just emailed my local TV stations about this...

maybe one of the 4 will investigate it. Hopefully.

[Splinter Cell]

55. Yup

I live in Butler County, OH and we have three voters in this household. All of us got one of these within the last couple weeks. We threw them away, but it was from the McSame campaign and they were applications for absentee ballots.

[President Decider]

56. DON'T LET THIS GO WITHOUT HOLDING SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE >>>>>>>>

[flamingdem]

57. kick

[Imagevision]

58. Obama camp must ask black people to police their voter precincts!

[Corey_Baker08]

60. OHIO HERE:I am yet to get the ballot, but was called by McCain Camp and told to "Expect" one

It was an automated voice from McCain of course, I posted about it the day it happened and the message was to watch the RNC convention, and to expect my absentee ballot to be in the mail right from the horses mouth. The day I posted this someone brought up the issue of the campaign sending out absentee ballots and one DUer was supposed to look check with the BOE to find out if its legal or not. Many more family members from right here in Ohio recieved the same call and Im not sure if any of them have recieved their ballots yet.

[flamingdem]

63. Please keep us up to date on this, it's super important to get this into the media

and I assume the Obama campaign knows?