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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 12:53 PM
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Barring a miracle for Bush, Kerry cannot lose. Here is why.
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 12:54 PM by abrock
Don't despair fellow Democrats. If anything, you should be rejoicing. The Republican convention could not possibly have started off worse, and I think it will only go downhill from here. If Kerry hadn't sewn up the election before, he will have after this week. Here is why:

1) The biggest key to any election is momentum. Right now, neither candidate has any. Kerry never had much, because he has been careful and cautious (some say he lacks the killer instinct, but I'll debunk that in my second point) not to blow too much money and lose whatever gains he had when the Repub convention nullified them. The time to attack is dawning at the end of the week, and Kerry is going to come out swinging. Notice Kerry has 15 million more in ready cash than Bush does:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/fec/index.cash.html

There is a reason for this. He's going to attack when the time is right, when it will impact the most, and when Bush will have no chance to recover from it, no matter what kind of smear campaign or rebuttal spin he uses.

2) The Republicans think this is going to be a close race all the way down to the wire, because they believe they are fighting an opponent who won't fight back in any meaningful way. Starting at the end of the week, they're going to be in for a VERY rough surprise. Kerry earned his reputation as a powerful closer for a reason. Remember, he was a trial lawyer who got convictions on mobsters. Who possibly could be better to finish Bush off with a series of punches his campaign never even saw coming.

3) One of the increasingly clear reasons Bush is doomed is because nobody trusts him. His base trusts him on international issues like terror and iraq, but not even his base supports his failed economic policies and lies about those policies. Excepting his billionaire and coroprate base (who have profitted more from the war than anyone else in the world... far more than the Iraqi people, thats for sure), nobody supports his domestic agenda. In fact, most people don't even think he has one to speak of. I've spoken to multiple Bush supporters in the past couple of weeks, and none of them can even express why they'll vote for him in November. The Christian conservatives in this country have a mindset that only the Republican party supports their values, so they'll support a party that causes far more deaths each year with its increasingly relaxed laws on gun control, than on abortion, even assuming for a minute that abortion IS taking a life. Couple these points with the fact both sides suspect or even flat out believe Bush is behind the smear boat campaign, AND that said campaign has been now proven to be a farce, AND that Bush doesn't have a military service record yet claims to be a heroic leader slash wartime president AND a gentle conservative peacetime president... and you've been told Kerry is a flip-flopper?

4) The ammo Bush is giving Kerry to beat him into the ground with could not have been better had Kerry put the words directly into Bush's own mouth. "Catastrophic Success"? "War on terror can't be won"? You can't make this kind of stuff up. The conservative media establishment has thus far ignored these statements for the most part, but as the week wears on (and we already have seen Bush recant the above phrase about the war on terror once, who knows, by the end of the week he might have changed position a few more times... TAKE THAT GUILIANI!) we're going to see a lot more of it as the networks find it impossible to ignore. The fact is, if Kerry and Edwards call him on it, the media has to talk about it, one way or the other, and all the spin in the world can't change the words that came out of Bush's own mouth.

5) The biggest reason that Bush is through, however, is that the United States of America is fucking fed up with this incompetent Commander in Chimp ruining our country's reputation in the world while he destroys the environment, runs up the deficit, and ruins the future for us and our children. Everywhere you go people are Bush bashing, no matter what state you live in, even Texas. (One old lady told me 'He gives this whole state a bad name') As soon as these people see Kerry as a viable alternative, and they haven't yet because he's been quiet, the polls are going to dump bush down into the 33-36 percent range of the overall popular vote, and he'll lose the key states he needs to win. (Ohio, Florida, Penn for sure, to name 3)

Add to all this the infuriating things the repubs are doing that couldn't be more inflammatory to BOTH sides than if we had engineered them ourselves: The purple heart bandaids. The sickening 9/11 sensationalizing and capitalizing. The religeous subliminal messages. Through all this, the GOP claims that WE are the party that is out of touch with America!

If that is true, then this is not an America I want to live in. If the unthinkable shouold happen (i.e. they already captured Bin Laden and are waiting to parade him out 2 weeks before the election to garner terror votes) and Bush wins in 2004, I'll see you all in Canada!
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 12:56 PM
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1. Agreed
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 12:59 PM by A_Possum
I really don't see how Bush wins, unless they have the machines rigged.

On edit: Welcome to DU! Great post!
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 12:57 PM
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2. Nice to see a positive post
And I very much agree with #2, Kerry being a strong finisher. I think he will overwhelm Bush in the last month in the campaign and blow him completely out of the water. Yes, it is optimistic but this is my feeling. Can I be wrong? Of course. But I still am very optimistic.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 12:58 PM
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3. Thank you!
Agree and welcome to DU! :toast:
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:03 PM
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4. Also, there are two huge things about to happen that Shrub can't stop:
1. The awful jobs numbers coming out on Friday
2. Kerry shaking up his team and being on the offensive (finally!--no offense to Ms. Cahill)
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:06 PM
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9. Why are the predictions on the jobs numbers?
Anyone have an idea?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:08 PM
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12. 150,000,to 160,000 eom
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 02:51 PM
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29. Check this out:
Chicago-area expansion slows
PMI's employment gauge improves, while prices surge
By Rachel Koning, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 2:08 PM ET Aug. 31, 2004

CHICAGO (CBS.MW) -- Growth slowed for Chicago-area businesses this month, although hiring rebounded from a sluggish July, according to the Chicago purchasing managers index, released Tuesday.

(snip)

The Chicago PMI sank more than expected, to 57.3 percent in August from 64.7 percent in July. Important as a potential indicator of nationwide activity, the Chicago gauge has zigzagged for the past six months.

(snip)

Economists had been expecting the overall index to fall to 60.8 percent, according to a survey conducted by CBS MarketWatch. See Economic Calendar.

*********

Note: Read the wonderful pro-Shrub spin elsewhere in the article.

You say opportunity, I say recession...Let's call the whole thing off!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:03 PM
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5. Great Post, And Welcome To DU Abrock !!!
:toast::bounce::toast:

Nice analysis, and thanks for the positive vibes. Unless they can steal it, it is ours!!!

:kick:
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:07 PM
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11. Well...
The thing is, there isn't really that much of a 'they' in this election. There are the die-hard Bush supporters who support him because of a single issue (abortion, gay marriage, whatever) and the people who are just voting Republican because thats what they do and don't know any better. There are VERY few people in this election voting Republican because they've researched both sides and found Bush to be a better candidate.

Believe me, voter ignorance works to Bush's advantage.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:20 PM
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24. Oh I Agree... For rePukes, Ignorance IS Bliss !!!
For the rest of us...it is extremely dangerous.

:shrug:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:04 PM
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6. You sure you're on the right site?
:) Thanks!!!
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takumi Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:04 PM
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7. KERRY WILL WIN!
Make sure you send a copy of your post to the Kerry/Edwards team!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:06 PM
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8. Well said, abrock! Welcome to DU. I talked to a lifelong Repub
yesterday - he said he has been such an entrenched Republican, that he was BORN to the party. He's a spry, 82 yr old, extremely wealthy, retired corporate leader.

However, he will NOT vote for Bush. This will be the first time, in a 60+ year voting career, that he has not voted Repub.

His reason? The man is grossly offended at the religiosity the Bush crowd has brought to the party and will have none of it.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:07 PM
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10. Definition of chimpy's "Catastrophic Success"
139 dead major combat

122 dead since official Iraqi "sovereignty"

976 dead due to chimpy's Iraq diversion from the war on terror.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:08 PM
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13. How old is that money quote?
Both Bush and Kerry are taking public financing giving them each 75 million dollars to spend. That is all either of them can spend on the general. Kerry's 75 million kicked in over a month ago, so he was forced to spend some of it on ads.Bush's 75 million won't kick in until after he accepts the nomination on Thursday. This gives Bush the financial edge.That is why Kerry considered not accepting the nomination at the convention because he knew he was handing the financial edge to Bush because he gets to float on private money until he gets the nomination. Your 15 million more has to be based on private funding pre public funding allotments. Unless you mean the DNC has 15 million more in ready cash than the DNC does? And I find that very unlikely.
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:09 PM
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14. I believe that CNN graph refers to private donations only.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:12 PM
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20. Then your financial conclusion is not valid! Sorry.
But thanks for the upbeat post and welcome to DU!
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:18 PM
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23. You are correct. My fault.
I forgot to take into account public money! Sorry about that.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:09 PM
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15. where in canada?
i'm looking into toronto
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:09 PM
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16. Welcome and congrats on a great, insightful post
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:10 PM
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17. welcome to DU
Thanks for a good, insightful post.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:10 PM
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18. Great post! Thanks!
HOWEVER, I will NOT see anyone in Canada. I WILL stay and fight.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:10 PM
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19. Excellent post!
You are totally correct. I might add that people will see the Republicans as people completely out of touch (Purple Heart bandaids?) and downright wierd trying to spin the 4 year disaster into a positive. They have nothing to run on, except fear.

Do Americans really want 4 more years of the same? Like I want keep pounding my thumb with a hammer.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:12 PM
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21. don't forget..'it's the economy stupid'
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:15 PM
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22. Well said. There's a limit to how long you can keep marketing
chicken shit as chicken salad. And more people are waking up and smelling it every day.


:kick:
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 01:23 PM
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25. He needs to cut loose of a few million right after this
convention. Immediately thereafter - run commercials of Bush "flip flopping" on numerous issues, run ads on how he did nothing on 9/11, run ads on where are his records, hit him hard and keep on hitting them. Don't even give them time to breath. Spend it well. This in conjunction with new Moveon ads, hit em hard on their bullshit. And now a commercial on the purple heart bandages - nothing is sacred now.

He can use his own $$ can't he? What the hell, if he wants it bad enough, go in debt if the contributions don't keep pouring in once people see him fight back.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 02:25 PM
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26. He can't use his own money under public financing rules
When you're getting public financing, you can only use that money to campaign on.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 02:27 PM
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27. Besides that the stock market is going down - not up
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3rdParty Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 02:47 PM
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28. there was a comment regarding kerry's last senate election on the news
He was losing up till 2 weeks before the election and then just rocked. He will have a plan this time too, just like he has had in the past.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:08 PM
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30. great post - thanks! n/t
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:16 PM
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31. Abrock, you forgot one thing...
Not that I want to burst the bubble. I appreciate your post and agree with it. The only problem is, media will not put the race in those terms. All major networks are owner by *ush contributors/supporters.
Look at
la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

Kerry flip-flops, *ush clarifies

What can be done about this? Writing and calling can't help;they are hired because they agree with the owners.

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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:22 PM
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Yeah
Fortunately, enough people are fed up with Bush that it won't matter in the end. People still read newspapers, and newspapers, thankfully, are not all owned by the right. The internet most of all, though, works against the GOP, because all the information you need to indict Bush is at your fingertips and less than minutes away from being discovered.

You just have to look with a will to discover.
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DemMother Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:46 PM
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33. Another good point
The media was behind William Weld too and Kerry cut through the nonsense to win.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:50 PM
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34. OK,Abrock
I'm with you!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 04:35 PM
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35. You are correct - there are about 2 or 3 newspapers out of the 1,000's
that are NOT "owned by the right" - so technically you are correct.

Unfortunately, almost ALL the major newspapers in almost ALL the major cities are.

We are not talking 50-50, 75-25 or even 80-20 - the fiture is nearly 100 percent.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:22 PM
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32. Excellent post and welcome to DU!
I personally feel this mis-administration has 'their hands in the air with their feet on the gas.'
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 04:39 PM
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36. Very upbeat post until the end....
Why'd you have to talk about the unthinkable...you actually had me believing without a doubt for a moment....

But it's okay, we must be prepared in case of a castostropic occurence be it nature or man...
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