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metalluk Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:53 PM
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Democrat for John McCain
I'm a Democrat. I support the Democratic platform (95% of it, anyway) and I almost always vote for Democratic candidates. My car currently sports two bumper stickers, one critical of the Republican governor in my home state and the other reading "Democrat for John McCain."

The Obama campaign is currently sinking like a lead weight, although, no doubt, they'll be plenty of fight left in the organization during the next 60 days or so. I'm not one of those jumping onto the McCain-Palin bandwagon as a result of the recent Republican National Convention. My bumper sticker supporting McCain went onto my car in early June, as soon as it became inevitable that the Democratic Party was serious about nominating an inexperienced freshman senator and political cult guru for the presidency. The only thing that has changed for me as a result of the Republican National Convention and McCain's selection of Governor Palin as his running mate is that now I can vote for the McCain ticket with comfort and confidence rather than reluctance.

In his acceptance speech in Denver, Obama went out of his way to show that he could be tough challenging, in effect, the old warrior McCain to a showdown, anytime, anywhere as if street bluster were evidence of readiness to be commander-in-chief. The media pundits bought it, commending Obama for showing people across America that he had the toughness to be president. So, the Republicans responded by sending a woman to beat him up. McCain simply ignored the challenge, like Arnold Schwarzenegger laughing off the puffery of Dana Carvey imitating a weight-lifter on Saturday Night Live. It was the only decent thing to do.

Meanwhile, McCain thoroughly out-foxed the Obama camp with his selection of Palin, simultaneously demonstrating courage, reinforcing his maverick reputation, re-focusing his campaign on reform, putting the people of America first, energizing the Republican base, and appealing to disaffected Clinton supporters and Independents. Obviously, many Hillary supporters will still support the Democratic candidate, based on platform positions important to feminists, but many others will decide to support the party most prepared to take women seriously as leaders the party ready to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. So, while Obama put on his best imitation of a street punk to demonstrate his readiness to be commander-in-chief, McCain illustrated his far superior capacity for strategic thinking with an initiative that threw his opponent's team badly off-stride. Few independent-minded voters will wonder which of these skills, bluster or capacity for strategic thinking, would be more useful for a commander-in-chief.

Obama has long asserted his intent to engage in bipartisan initiatives, yet, in Denver, he illustrated that he has not yet even mastered mono-partisanship. Whatever unity came out of the Democratic National Convention came from the graciousness and loyalty of the Clintons. Clinton supporters were left to complain that none of the reconciliation had been Obama's doing. Obama's feet remained deeply embedded in the cement of hemi-partisanship. Hillary was not even entitled to consideration for the Vice Presidency.

Hillary has about the same likelihood of being offered a cabinet post in a McCain administration as with Obama. Clinton and McCain are close friends and have each expressed their admiration for one another. Just yesterday, McCain announced his intention to have Democrats in his cabinet and more than just the token one cross-party appointment that has occurred in previous administrations. Since the next Congress will likely be more solidly Democratic than the present one, McCain has no choice but to govern in a bipartisan manner if he wants to serve America First, as he has promised. Luckily for him, he has friends on both sides of the aisle and a history of working with Democrats on bipartisan initiatives. He worked, for example, with Democrat Russ Feingold on soft money restrictions, John Kerry on normalizing relations with Vietnam, and Ted Kennedy in an unsuccessful effort to reform immigration policies. He fought against corporate fraud, all sorts of instances of pork-barrel spending, the tobacco industry, steroid use by athletes, and a sweetheart deal for Boeing. When John McCain says that he puts ordinary Americans first, the record usually bears him out.

The biggest problem for Barack Obama, at this point, is that his core argument that John McCain is G.W. Bush all over again is false and will be understood as false by most Americans, obviously excepting highly partisan Democrats. McCain's core argument that Obama is not ready (experienced enough) to be President is fundamentally true. Although truth does not always weigh heavily enough in politics to make the difference for a gullible public, it is nevertheless inconvenient when it is all on the other side.

Obama has largely surrendered the change mantle to his opponent, however much he might squirm to retain it. The biggest hindrance to good government in Washington is not which party is pursuing its partisan agenda but the overwhelming predominance of partisan bickering itself. Both parties get hung up on ensuring that the other can claim no stellar initiatives or legislative successes when the next election cycle comes around. McCain is staking his claim as a change agent on reforming the way Washington does business by a willingness to engage in bipartisan initiatives, putting ordinary Americans first, and by resisting all sorts of ear-marks, regardless of whether they are sponsored by Republicans or Democrats. A liberal Democrat like Obama has no chance of exciting Republican cooperation, but a moderate Republican like McCain, with a long record of associations with Democrats, could truly make history by implementing a genuinely bipartisan administration. Obviously, he's going to defend Republican principles such as keeping government small, ensuring an economic and tax climate conducive to business, and cutting wasteful spending, but he'll likely work with Democrats on environmental concerns, a national energy policy, job retraining for those displaced by economic change, and immigration reform. For the public, there are distinct advantages to mixed-party government.

What about Obama's future? Will he be ready to be President in 2012 or 2016? Well, that depends on what he does between now and then. If he merely continues to run for the presidency after (if) he is defeated in November, because anything less would be beneath his dignity, then he still won't be ready to be President four or eight years hence. If, however, he acquires a record of significant service and successes in the years ahead, so that his achievements finally begin to match his potential, he'll become a truly great American perhaps even as great as John McCain already is.

For the Democratic Party, having unwisely nominated a man not ready for the presidency, a loss this year will be a blessing in disguise. Four more years of partisan bickering and the resultant gridlock that an Obama presidency would bring, with Democrats in charge of both the Executive and Legislative branches, would surely result in American voters throwing the bums out in 2012. In the meanwhile, we Democrats will need to learn a valuable lesson hubris leads to comeuppance. Voters care about a political party's platform but they also care about a candidate's credentials. Centrist Democrats and Independents just aren't going to support an unqualified candidate no matter which party nominates the person; and women aren't going to support a party unwilling or unable to take women seriously as political leaders.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:54 PM
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1. See ya'!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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2. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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That's a lotta work for just a golf tee... nt
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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3. Goodbye troll
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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4. Bye, bye
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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5. No need to respond, friends. Already been tombstoned. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 PM
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6. Buh Bye
Pretty stupid of you to rack up so many posts just to get a granite cookie.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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24. "I blogged for John McSame on a LW website and all I got was this stupid golf tee.
And my last post took me all morning besides!"
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:37 PM
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96. ROFL!
:rofl:
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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7. You're in RI which will go to Obama anyway.
All your points are regurgitated from the right-wing media. Kind of sad actually.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:04 PM
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40. Sad? Nah - snarky but true!
:hi:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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8. You are no Democrat.
Liar.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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9. Should be "Shitbag for McCant" on that SUV.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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10. What the shit? Yeah, bye!
Unbelievable.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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11. The blood is on your hands
Too bad so many others will have to shed it.
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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12. Oh my God! You've opened my eyes!
:sarcasm:

Hit the road, dipshit.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:56 PM
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13. "I'm John McCain and I approve this message"
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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14. i.n.r.a.t.s.
i'm not reading all that shit

bye, dickhead
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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15. you are stupid
McCain intends to follow Bush on every major policy. Every single one. He'd continue Bush's fiscal policy. He'd continue Bush's torture policy. He'd continue Bush's energy policy. He'd continue Bush's War policy. He'd continue Bush's health care policy or even worse.

You call yourself a centrist but you went over the edge when McCain picked a women who opposes choice even in cases of rape and incest. That is hardly centrist.
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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16. ugh
:eyes:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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17. IBTT
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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18. That's a whole lot of 'nuthin.
After all these years of Bush you think a Republican is going to govern in a "bipartisan" manner, even if he's "forced" to? Hey buddy, I've got some swamp land to sell you.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:57 PM
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19. You can fuck right off.
And you're no democrat. Fuck you, and your vote for McCain. Ignorant pig.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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20. Answer the door !!!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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21. Alerted. Please don't feed the troll - it's already dead.
n/t
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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22. What a crock of shit...
How dare you threaten to vote to put this country in such peril out of what amounts to spite. You do get points, however, for good spelling and grammar.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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23. Nominating Palin is putting the American people first?
Palin could be the end of America. She wants to be.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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25. Congratulations!
You're a dumbass!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:59 PM
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29. ...
:rofl: !!!

I didn't know where you were going with that one...

:thumbsup:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:51 PM
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101. heheh
I had a nifty jpg illustrating the sentiment, but I can't seem to find it. Glad the text alone was amusing at least for one other DUer!

:hi:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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26. I think Skinner should delete this in its entirty
That way the stupid fuck wasted all that typing, too.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:59 PM
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I think it should stay both up and open! All that work for a frozen pizza! nt
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:04 PM
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39. Remember the "Obamamessiah" thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Locked, then unlocked for mod-sanctioned grave dancing!

Awesome.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:10 PM
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49. Deleted message
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:12 PM
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54. Did you get the golf tee? Melluk did! nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:14 PM
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56. Deleted message
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:15 PM
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58. Uh, this is a PRIVATELY OWNED Site
The first amendment only protects your free speech fromt eh government.

you have no fucking free speech here, Zombie.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:16 PM
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60. You're still here and I assume you understand private property?
Which is what this site is...

Enjoy that golf tee!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:18 PM
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64. Deleted message
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:19 PM
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66. Didja get the golf tee? I so hope so. Your wasted time oughta be worth
something.

I love to play with trolls, I don't need chum to do so.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:21 PM
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72. Deleted message
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:22 PM
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75. DIDJA GET THE GOLF TEE, ASSHOLE? Talk about a coward... nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:24 PM
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77. Damn, now I'll never know. NT
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:24 PM
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78. Damn, now I'll never know. NT
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:25 PM
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81. Actually, it was a waste of time, asshole.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:20 PM
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69. That was teh Original Poster, and he got tombstoned
which should be happening to you fairly soon.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:14 PM
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55. Buh Bye, Zombie n/t
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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27. I've seen your other posts.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:00 PM by liberalmuse
You are a slimy, insidious, duplicitous piece of "work" (I really, really, REALLY wanted to use another word), I'll tell you that. Rove? Shouldn't you be in jail?
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:58 PM
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28. That's so special
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:59 PM
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30. Take some of the other trolls with you when you go
because we have seen support you on your threads and opinions.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:01 PM
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31. Holy smokes, Bullwinkle!!!
"Hillary was not even entitled to consideration for the Vice Presidency. "

Who's ass is your head up this time, is it still Hillary or did you get excited by Sarah's ass, or John's???

Toodle-oo, loser.

Enjoy your pizza....

:popcorn:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:01 PM
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32. You are really scared aren't ya...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:01 PM
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33. Yeah, you're completely right. I'm gonna change my vote now.
As your nemesis, Obama, would say, "They must think you're stupid." Why don't you try telling this big load of sh*t to people who might actually believe it?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:01 PM
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34. He/she's gone. n/t
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:01 PM
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35. Ibtl!! I got to say it!! You aren't actually a Democrat, you know.
What is McCain's plan for the economy and why does it appeal to you more than Obama's?

What is McCain's actual strategy for getting us out of Iraq and why does it appeal to you more that Obama's?

How do McCain's continued support for Bush's tax cuts effect you as opposed to Obama's plan?

Why do you oppose choice and do you have any young children, relatives or friends who might be effected by the elimination of abortion even in the cases of rape and abortion?



You aren't a Democrat, honey. You aren't even a good Democrat fake.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:03 PM
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36. Wish I could say, "Nice knowing you."
But I don't know you, and I know it wouldn't be nice. See ya!
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:03 PM
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37. Bye!
I just absolutely hate to see you go.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:03 PM
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38. Stupid ass!
Hey take your buddies with you when you leave. Yer stinkin' up the joint.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:05 PM
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41. You're no Democrat. You're a fool.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:05 PM
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42. You're gonna have to do better than that.
Yawn..........
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:07 PM
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43. Oh look! A dead person!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:08 PM
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44. Deleted message
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:11 PM
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51. "I blogged for John McSame on a LW website and all I got was this stupid golf tee!" .
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:13 PM by blondeatlast
You're a dumbass.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:08 PM
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45. The problem with your theory, is there will not be Democratic....
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:13 PM by Rebellious Republica
party in four years. There will be nothing resembling the United States of America in four years. Trust me I have watched as the GOP was hijacked by a bunch of NEOCONSERVATIVE fascist business interests. The only thing they have an interest in is the bottom line. They could care less about fiscal responsibility, social conservatism or any of the BS they say they do. I am former republican as you have probably surmised by my pseudonym. The Bush family was a wake up call for me, to much to go into detail in short post here, needless to say I say you are nothing more than a troll, you are no more of a Democrat than I am Republican. God help this country if McSame gets installed in office by the corporate elite. You are probably saying what a traitor to this country I am, here is my reply to that.....





















My only question to you is "What have you done for your country", I was prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice and put myself in harms way for my beliefs, still am to this day....I am currently a wild land firefighter.

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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:09 PM
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46. bye
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:09 PM
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47. LOL! You say Obama's not ready to lead? Umm Palin is one heartbeat away..
and she's ready? That's rich!

Are you gone yet? I smell pizza...
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:10 PM
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48. ALERTED - FOLKS, THE TROLL IS TOMBSTONED ALREADY.
ENOUGH.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:16 PM
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61. We're grave dancing
It's fun.

:party:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:21 PM
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70. Remeber Obammessiah? The mods are leaving this here for a reson and I trust them. nt
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:11 PM
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50. You know what you call a Democrat for John McCain? A REPUBLICAN!! Bye now.
We don't need you.
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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:11 PM
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52. My friend...
You were never a Democrat
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:12 PM
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53. who gives a shit?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:51 PM
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102. As written by Tucker Bounds, former Democrat
What a straight up joke.

Yes, John McCain has different DNA than Bush but their policies and philosophy are one and the same.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:15 PM
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57. This Is A Prime Example Of Republicans Pretending To Be Democrats On DU
The post itself heavily borrows from Republican soundbites, since the alleged Democrat makes no reference to issues. A true Democrat who was considering not to vote for Obama would at least express some concern about McCain and Palin's stand on the issues. Indeed, the post underscores the Republican strategy of suggesting that there is not much difference between Obama and McCain on the issues. Finally, the main give away is the description of Obama as too liberal. A true DUers knows that Obama may very well be right of most DUers.

So, perhaps keep this post as an example of a GOP Trojan Horse.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:16 PM
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59. You're no Democrat and why do you hate America?
fuck you.
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Chrisnreno Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:17 PM
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62. How the hell...
does one make it to 266 posts with crap like this? So friggin' transparent man. This post makes me want to vomit. Goodbye asshole.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:17 PM
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63. What makes you a Democrat?
You're not a Democrat.

Do you care about women's rights, civil rights, or gay rights?
Do you believe in progressive taxes, or the sort of feudal Republican approach that the rich, if given enough money, will help out the truly needy?
Do you think the American go-it-alone approach to international policy is making the world safer, taking advantage of our intellectual and creative strengths to influence the world?
Do you support minimum wage increases, care for the environment, health care for kids, and protection of workers in the workplace?

And what about McCain?

Do you like the idea of a man whose only experience is at the taxpayer's expense heading the oval office?
Do you admire the fact that he got to where he is because of his family connections?
Are you proud of this man who lost 4 planes in peacetime, was in combat for 20 hours, and then was taken prisoner, and only released after (under duress) he signed an anti-American confession?
Do you like the idea of a man who thinks in military terms controlling a foreign policy in an age when diplomacy is more important than ever?
Are you proud of the fact that McCain was not a maverick when Republicans ruled under Bush or Reagan, and was only one for a few votes, particularly because of his belief that whoever the president wants for Supreme Court should be appointed?

And what about Obama's experience?

Sure, he's younger than McCain, so he doesn't have as many years experience, but he certainly has the sharpness of mind and the energy that comes with his age.
In addition to that he went to the best college in the world, and graduated magna cum laude. Do you have respect for education, or admire McCain's place as 894th of 899 graduates from Annapolis?
Do you think that Obama's 12 years teaching Constitutional Law is a drawback to the office of a presidency where we've seen so much Constitutional abuse?
Do you think his 12 years total in the Illinois Senate and U.S. Senate hasn't taught him what he needs to know to work with Congress?
Do you think his decision to forsake a profitable career as a lawyer and work in his community was something that should be marginalized?
Do you think the fact that he inspires millions of nontraditional voters, including the young and the largely disenfranchised, is insignificant?

What specifically has McCain done to earn your support? Do you think he's some sort of genius who will rely on his own skills, or are you banking on the people he brings into government? Why in the world do you think he will bring in a better set of advisers than Obama will bring in? Do you think Sarah Palin is a better adviser than Joe Biden?

Please, don't call yourself a Democrat. Call yourself a bitter Hillary supporter, a PUMA, a liar, or someone who does not care about the millions of people who, because of age, illness, poverty, or other problems, need a kinder, more caring government, rather than one that is weak and selfish.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:19 PM
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65. I took the time to read your post
And wondered how much time you spent writing it.

And I have to tell you, I don't believe you were ever a democrat. And the reason I came to this conclusion is because you offer nothing of substance in your arguments. You spend time talking about personality, but don't spend a moment of time discussing those issues that impact regular people.

But this is what republicans do - it's how they argue. They create strawmen, as it's more difficult for them to deal with the cold reality of where we find ourselves as a country. They don't want to talk about policy and make proposals for how government could help people; they would rather waste time tearing people down and belittling them.

And this type of behavior has an audience, but I sincerely believe it's not the fence sitters and independents. Because you see, you turn those people off by attacking others with nothing of substance in return.

So now matter how much time you took to write your post, it was wasted.
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CashGap Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:20 PM
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67. THOUGHTCRIME
Thanks for your "concern"
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:20 PM
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68. Ahh, the old "you don't want to deal with the Presidency anyway" argument. Troll
What a stupid post from a Republican troll.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:21 PM
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71. Whatever happened to this promise that you made in March?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:24 PM by MathGuy
I will, however, voluntarily discontinue posting if Obama gets the nomination until after the General Election is over, out of simple courtesy to those ardently supporting his campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Your decision to abandon "simple courtesy" was your downfall.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:22 PM
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73. This isn't a football game...
I'm surprised you're still here.
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Hard Leftt Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:22 PM
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74. Propaganda
That's all it is.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:24 PM
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76. You must be LOST. If not, GET LOST.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:25 PM
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79. Thank God you didn't waste a tree or ink writing that bullshit. Get ta steppin'! nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:25 PM
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80. My son who is autistic and may lose his 14th amendment rights (with the next Supreme Court pick)
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:25 PM by mmonk
will say you go ahead and vote the way you want to. But me, I say go to hell and everyone like you.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:26 PM
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82. I know you're already in the hereafter, but I gotta say it anyway.
Fuck you and the PUMA you rode in on, you goddamn pathetic piece of shit troll. And IF (huge if, admittedly) you ever really were a Democrat, then fuck you twice as hard for your treason. :grr:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:26 PM
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83. Oh, pizza pizza pizza starts with P!
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:26 PM
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84. I am seeing the problem.
Hillary would have been a stronger candidate.
McCain seems to have appeal across the aisle. :-(
I can't believe that another Republican is going to win after all that as occured. :-(
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:28 PM
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86. Are you high right now?
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:30 PM
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87. Does the PM in your name stand for Piss Maker?
Because peeing your pants in fear ain't helping anyone.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:35 PM
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91. I'm seeing the problem
The OP would ahve been a stronger troll.
Trolling DU seems to have appeal across the aisle
I can't beleive somebody was sucked into outting their troll self posting in a troll thread agreeing with the troll.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:35 PM
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92. Pardon me, but... Bwahahahaha! You need to take that stuff on the road, maybe you can get
a sitcom! :rofl:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:36 PM
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94. See post #82
It applies to you as well, "PuMa Martin" :puke:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:05 PM
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104. HILLARYHILLARY HILLARYHILLARY HILLARYHILLARY HILLARYHILLARY
HILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARYHILLARY

R U HERE for anything useful, or just to talk about HILLARY?

I'm here grave dancing, don't know about you but you need to get off the HILLARY koolaid and onto the wagon of HOPE!

Bye!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:08 PM
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106. It can't vote anyway, DU. Don't sweat this one. nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:28 PM
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85. You're a Democrat like I'm Twiggy. Not even worth a serious response. nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:31 PM
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88. One paragraph in and I'm thinking -- PIZZA PIZZA --
Oh yeah, early dementia hothead McZombie is so much more ready for the presidency !!
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:32 PM
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89. Go fuck yourself troll.
That's all.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:33 PM
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90. Your pizza has arrived
:-)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:36 PM
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93. HEY! I delivered that pizza you ordered but you wouldn't answer your door!
Asshat.

:rofl:

Thank you, Mods!!!!!!!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:37 PM
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95. Ah puma pizza - delicious!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:38 PM
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97. No true "Democrat" can be for John McCain.
No true "Democrat" refers to Democrats as "bums".
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:41 PM
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98. Poor deluded fool..
Keep him away from Electoral College maps! He might harm himself!!
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:41 PM
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99. Kindly blow it out your ass.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:46 PM
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100. Excuse me while I kick this corpse again
I like dancing on troll graves.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:59 PM
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103. Thanks, but no thanks.
That is exactly what Hillary would say to serving in a McCain administration.
She is a real Democrat (unlike yourself) and will not cede her position in the Senate to fight against the disastorous policies of McBush so that she can push some paper around on a desk.

You might get a better reception over at FR. They love "fairly tales" like this.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:07 PM
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105. If I may ask...

Why do you feel you need to share this with a mostly - pro Obama - group? Do you have sadistic tendencies?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:11 PM
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107. Any more damn pizza and I'm gonna hurl; THREE in this thread already. nt
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:15 PM
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108. You're ugly and your momma dresses you funny.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:15 PM
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109. Whenever they start off with "I'm a Democrat" You know they're full of shit
With the Supreme Court up for grabs no real Democrat would support John McCain and this far right Governor.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:25 PM
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110. I didn't think freepers could string together so many sentences
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 04:25 PM by Maestro
so I do congratulate you on that. However, no democrat could ever support a nut like McCain and an extremist like Palin. You have failed in being a disruptor. Although now we know the handle of Joe Lieberman here at DU.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:26 PM
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111. ibtl - did anyone read all that tripe? n/t
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:28 PM
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112. Hey buster - get the door I think its Dominos... nt.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 04:28 PM by BlueIdaho
edit cuz I wanna.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:31 PM
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116. avoid the noid! n/t
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:29 PM
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113. silly troll
did he really think anybody would take the time to read his long diatribe on the evils of Obama? I hoped he enjoyed his pizza.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:36 PM
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120. I stopped at "I am a Democrat." Well, almost, after that a brief scan... nt
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:29 PM
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114. aw, and you wasted so much time writing all that
to bad, so sad, have a good one ;)


p.s.

people who work against their own self interests are MILDLY amusing... but mostly just sad.
i have nothing but pitty for ya.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:30 PM
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115. Nice of you to post this, Senator Lieberman....say, whatcha gonna do when you're run out of D.C.
in January?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:31 PM
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117. now watch me hide this thread
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:33 PM
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118. Fuck you and your goddamn whore of a mother, dirtbag
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:36 PM
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119. Sarah...is that you - you rascal.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:40 PM
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121. We're locking this now
as stated, the troll is no longer with us.

mvd
DU Moderator
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